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You do recall someone else claimed rigged election and (Original Post) boston bean Nov 2020 OP
Ooh, yeah R B Garr Nov 2020 #1
Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Nov 2020 #2
+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #12
It gives a cogent and succinct comparison AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #34
I don't think the OP is fighting AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #35
I agree. betsuni Nov 2020 #44
It's just worded carefully enough that an alert on the OP for "refighting primaries" won't succeed muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #55
Poorly or wonderfully is subjective. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #58
If you think refighting the primaries is "wonderful" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #63
No one is refighting anything AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #65
"fix it or repeat it" Cerridwen Nov 2020 #49
Is this a riddle? mtnsnake Nov 2020 #3
you can't read minds?, how common of you Demonaut Nov 2020 #29
Connie Francis? mtnsnake Nov 2020 #4
Lesley Gore? myohmy2 Nov 2020 #30
What about Gennady Golovkin. Is it him? mtnsnake Nov 2020 #5
Could have gone either way. H2O Man Nov 2020 #74
Oh for sure. mtnsnake Nov 2020 #75
I had my tongue H2O Man Nov 2020 #77
Wow! mtnsnake Nov 2020 #82
My brother and I H2O Man Nov 2020 #83
Yup, Emile seemed like a great guy mtnsnake Nov 2020 #84
Somewhere I have H2O Man Nov 2020 #87
I remember mtnsnake Nov 2020 #88
One discussion that H2O Man Nov 2020 #89
When I did that post mtnsnake Nov 2020 #90
Norm Rothschild! H2O Man Nov 2020 #91
oops, posted to the wrong reply, lol mtnsnake Nov 2020 #81
I will never forget that AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #6
Forget what? mtnsnake Nov 2020 #7
They're talking about Bernie. aidbo Nov 2020 #8
Thank you, aidbo! I was just about to guess it was Tonya Harding mtnsnake Nov 2020 #9
The shoe fits comfortably AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #16
Harboring grudges is bad for your health. aidbo Nov 2020 #18
How about the socks? melman Nov 2020 #26
I think "the shoe fits" is the phrase AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #27
Okay melman Nov 2020 #31
You keep asking me about key word AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #33
What socks are you referring to specifically? LanternWaste Nov 2020 #62
You would? melman Nov 2020 #67
Of course that clarification isn't forthcoming. Surprised? George II Nov 2020 #71
Skate. sheshe2 Nov 2020 #40
When have they ever been coy? Sympthsical Nov 2020 #85
I know who your talking about and your right MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #10
Self Delete MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #11
Cool, another riddle! mtnsnake Nov 2020 #15
I'm sorry mtnsnake MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #22
Hey there MustLoveBeagles mtnsnake Nov 2020 #25
Thank you mtnsnake MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2020 #92
What a great self correction and apology. grantcart Nov 2020 #42
Thanks MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #45
. eleny Nov 2020 #13
Awww Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #14
June 14 Clinton became the presumptive Democratic nominee Jul 12 Sanders formally endorsed her. Autumn Nov 2020 #17
June 6th. Five weeks vs Four days. It was an unnecessary and divisive delay. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #21
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #24
+1000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #68
+1,000,000 George II Nov 2020 #72
The math was clear in April AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #28
+1, damn near the same reaction in regards to path to winning. uponit7771 Nov 2020 #53
June 14 Clinton became the presumptive Democratic nominee Jul 12 Sanders formally endorsed her. Autumn Nov 2020 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Nov 2020 #64
No, that's not correct. June 6th is correct. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #66
Damn straight. ehrnst Nov 2020 #69
Yes... they matter to us. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #73
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #79
Yes. Yes I do. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #19
Shit! You are damn old! Rutherford B. Hayes and the 1876 election! madinmaryland Nov 2020 #20
Rutherfraud Hayes. roamer65 Nov 2020 #23
Made me mad then and it still bugs me. grantcart Nov 2020 #43
"'some people say' that maybe if the system was not rigged against me ... . That's what some betsuni Nov 2020 #32
Same personality type? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #36
Yes. betsuni Nov 2020 #41
Populist, you know. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #46
Yes.. and there it is. Cha Nov 2020 #38
I'm still amazed at how many people fall for silly conspiracy theories about betsuni Nov 2020 #47
And their establishment. George II Nov 2020 #51
Trump changed establishment AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #59
The two ends of the political horseshoe. George II Nov 2020 #56
and with some supporters consumed by ideology AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #60
Of course, everyone here Cha Nov 2020 #39
lol still_one Nov 2020 #48
Twice, actually. George II Nov 2020 #50
+1, they were about to try that shit this year too IINM uponit7771 Nov 2020 #54
K&R, I pray Red Don's current actions are hurting kGOP now like those actions hurt then uponit7771 Nov 2020 #52
No I don't..who is it Tribetime Nov 2020 #57
Think back to June 2019. ehrnst Nov 2020 #70
I just asked for a name and I don't know 2019 June anybody Tribetime Nov 2020 #76
Ok then. ehrnst Nov 2020 #80
Trump did it in the Republican primary against Cruze. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #78
Apparently so little of consequence has happened between 2016 and now Sympthsical Nov 2020 #86

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
55. It's just worded carefully enough that an alert on the OP for "refighting primaries" won't succeed
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

It is comparing Trump to Sanders. Poorly.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
63. If you think refighting the primaries is "wonderful"
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

I can't help you. If anything ever needed "moving on" from, it's that. 4 years we've had a DU rule against it, and yet some still think that's worth struggling against.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
65. No one is refighting anything
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:08 PM
Nov 2020

My comment was only about whether the wording was done wonderfully or terribly.

Cerridwen

(13,251 posts)
49. "fix it or repeat it"
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 07:06 AM
Nov 2020

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Gee, maybe time to fix it.


Tired of repeating it; it's taken too heavy a toll on the impoverished, the homeless, the hungry, the ill, and the afflicted.

Those used to be Democratic Party "buzz words."

I will probably not live long enough; illness or age; to "repeat" this shit again, and again, and again. I guess younger people will once more ignore the "old fogies" and keep repeating this shit.


mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
4. Connie Francis?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:04 PM
Nov 2020

If that's who you mean, I agree. She should've been valedictorian, not just the salutatorian. I was pissed about that too.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
5. What about Gennady Golovkin. Is it him?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:28 PM
Nov 2020

I agree Triple G should have been elected the winner that first fight between he and Alvarez, and I don't blame him for not conceding that he lost that one.

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
74. Could have gone either way.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 07:24 PM
Nov 2020

Both men believed they had won, and objectively, the decision could have fone either way. I thought GGG might have won, and think so when I watch it over again. But judging is in real time, and the promoter picks the judges he wants, knowing they will likely favor the promoter's fighter. Might be unconsciously, though it is usually a conscious choice.

I still disagree strongly with the decision rendered in an amateur fight I had in 1973. Very, very few people would want to listen to me complain about it. I think that it might be the inspiration for the OP, though

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
75. Oh for sure.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:05 PM
Nov 2020

I had a hard time rooting against either one of those warriors. Triple G is just so magnetic it was hard not to like him, and Alvarez, well he is just plain awesome. Both very likable IMO. There sure have been some amazing trilogies in boxing, haven't there.

While my post about Genady was just me messing around, I enjoyed your view about judging the fights and am glad you posted it because boxing and everything that goes with it behind he scenes has always fascinated me. That's cool that you boxed as an amateur. Did you ever have thoughts back then of going pro?

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
77. I had my tongue
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:48 AM
Nov 2020

firmly in cheek on the second part of my comment.

I did fight on one pro card. Beat a previously undefeated guy who I didn't like. But my friend and mentor Rubin Carter told me to stop boxing, and to go to college. Trained both amateur and pro fighters after that.

My son & I were ringside at GGG's first fight in the US. We could hear the power of his punches -- not quite the same as my brother and I watching Earnie Shavers, butsimilar. GGG's opponent was tough, and we could see bright red welts appearing after some of the body punches he was taking. It was just punching power on a whole different level.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
82. Wow!
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:15 PM
Nov 2020

You were hanging around with a legend. The only pro boxer I ever met in person was one who was KO'd by Carter, Emile Griffith, who I'm sure you're familiar with. I was at a school function where we were lucky enough to get a free weekend at the Concord Hotel in the Catskills back in the late 60's and we got to watch Griffith training there for an upcoming fight. I couldn't believe the impact of his punches on his sparring partner. Later that day several of us got to meet Griffith when we came across him walking down one of the hallways of the hotel.

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
83. My brother and I
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:36 PM
Nov 2020

sat ringside near Emile at the second Ali-Frazier fight at MSG. Great guy. I ran into him a half-dozen times after that. He was good friends with Rubin, and always supported him. (Their fight was the first I ever watched on television.)

They had sparred several times, well before they fought. Rubin told me that he knew if he couldn't catch Griffith early, he knew Emile would outbox him (as he did twice with the great Dick Tiger).

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
84. Yup, Emile seemed like a great guy
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:53 PM
Nov 2020

when we met him in that hallway. I remember when I shook hands with him his hand felt like a big warm cushion. Standing there with him, I was surprised how short he was, but he was built like Hercules. He was soft spoken and very very nice to chat with, a real gentleman.

I used to watch him, Dick Tiger, and all the other ones on TV with my dad when I was a kid. I think the show was called Friday Night Fights or something like that. After almost every one of those fights, my dad would always say how boxing was a such cruel sport, and how we shouldn't be watching it, but come next Friday night we'd be right there in front of the TV again excited to see who was fightng, lol. The saddest fight I watched back then was when Griffith knocked out Benny Kid Paret, and Paret died later that night. That was hard to take, and I have always wished that I had never seen that fight, it was so brutal.

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
87. Somewhere I have
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 04:14 PM
Nov 2020

a picture from the back of Boxing Illustrated -- their "fight of the month" -- of Emile versus Joey Archer (my Dad's favorite, as Joey was Irish). There is zero (or less) body fat on Griffith. The tragic fight with Benny changed his career. He blamed himself, until he met Benny's aduly son many years later, and the son told him it wasn't his fault.

Terrible job by the referee. Benny shoulb't have been fighting so soon after taking a terrible beating from Fulmer. When Benny died, his manager said, "Shit, now I have to find another fighter." Nothing illustrates the ugliness of the fight game quite like that statement.

Rubin told me that Tiger was the only man to beat the crap out of him. My friend Nigel Collins recently published a book on Tiger.

https://www.amazon.com/Dick-Tiger-Africas-Accomplished-Champion/dp/1889218332

In 1973, a friend of my brothers & I died after an amateur bout in Syracuse. I remember thinking, "Poor Frank," but not connecting the risk with my own fighting. It was the year that I was featured in Boxing Illustrated, and I was a stupid, over-confident kid. These days, my oldest brother -- who had a much shorter amateur career than me, but fought much more on professional cards -- is brain-damaged, and in a wheel chair. (I make the son and daughter who fight look closely at him, but young people never appreciate what can and does happen.)

One of the best men in boxing is Teddy Atlas. He understands that "local" fighters get brain injuries, the same as top guys. Whenever my son and I get to hang out with Teddy, we discuss that. (He did a great "shout out" to my brother on ESPN one night, which made my brother really happy!) My late cousin was the head of neurology at Temple; I had numerous long talks with him about brain gamage from punches, followed by substance abuse. An injured brain, sadly, seeks the relief of drugs all too often.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
88. I remember
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 06:08 PM
Nov 2020

in the Griffith - Paret fight my dad kept yelling "Stop that fight, stop that fight" when the ref never stepped in until long after Paret was out cold on his feet against the ropes taking a brutal pounding. It was sickening.

Speaking of the "local" fighters as you call them, I always thought that they were just as susceptible to brain injuries as the elite fighters, maybe more so, since so many of them didn't have very much of a defense and took more of a pounding than the highly talented fighters did who were better at ducking punches and had much better footwork.

BTW, I don't know if you get HBO or not, but on a recent episode of Real Sports, they have a very interesting segment that starts off with Danny Carcillo, who played with several teams in the NHL as a hockey "enforcer." They interviewed several other banged up athletes as well, all of whom suffered brain injuries during their careers. Suffering from devastating effects of brain injury, Carcillo went to the Peruvian jungle to experiment with a psychedelic drug potion, kind of similar to LSD I guess, that was illegal in the US. A single dose of it seemingly cured him. Other athletes with terrible symptoms started getting treated with psychedelics soon after, and it appears that the success rate is so amazing that some of the more famous medical institutions in the US are now looking seriously into psychedelics to treat such traumatized patients.

IMO, Real Sports is one of the best shows, if not the best show, on TV because of the way it does NOT glamorize sports, but the way it exposes sports instead. Plus there are a lot of other reasons it's a great show as well.

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
89. One discussion that
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nov 2020

Rubin and I had was after my brother's first pro fight. Carmen Basilio worked his corner, and my brother got knocked out cold. Now, my great uncle was Carmen's first trainer, and promoted his early fights. There were five in Sherburne, NY, a 45 minute drive north of Binghamton, that aren't on his "official" record, but are documented in the local newspaper. When Uncle Pat turned him over to the brothers in Syracuse, he promoted Carmen's early bouts in Binghamton, and remained life-long friends. Carmen brought him to most of his title fights, and often stayed at his house.

Rubin first swore, for he liked my brother, and didn't want him to get hurt like that. Then he laughed like only Rubin could laugh, and said, "Damn it, Pat! That was your great uncle's fault! He never taught Carmen defense! Duck Catmen! Duck!"

I had the opportunity to know Carmen over the years, and he was a great guy. But he, too, took too many punches. I was able to hang out with him on the 50th anniversary of his winning the welterweight title. I asked him about those Sherburne fights, for I think they should be on his record. But it was night time, and he was getting tired and grumpy. He snarled and told me he fought in Sherburne before I was born -- true -- and he strongly disagreed with my name -- not remembering I was named after my great uncle.

The worst injuries I carry from my days of fighting are my hands. Broke some bones, one several times as I didn't let it heal properly. But unlike my brother, I was a defensive fighter, who wore people down then took them out. (I did have a number of very fast knockouts, but I went by "hit & don't get hit," versus my brother's willingness to take five punches to land one.) But a hell of a lot of the guys I knew from my era are either severely damaged or dead. Again, it is frustrating that my two children who box don't seem to grasp what I'm telling them about not boxing. As Rubin said, wise people learn from others' mistakes, most of us have to learn from our own, and fools just never learn.

I no longer have HBO, though I do sometimes get to see Real Sports. Great show, and its value is way, way beyond entertainment.It is a serious show. And I am somewhat familiar with the substance that you spoke of, and indeed know one former champion who has used it as medicine. I am likewise impressed with the recognition that mushrooms have value in treating some disorders, most notably PTSD in a percentage of combat veterans. I had retired from work at the mental health clinic before this awareness took hold, but did have a number of highly intelligent, open-minded co-workers that understood that big pharma was not "the" answer, but only part of it.

I am really enjoying this conversation with you! I've said on DU several times that all of sports resembles the sport of boxing. Not everyone has agreed, of course, but I doubt they've ever boxed or really understood the sport. My first two interviews with Dr. Bandy Lee of Yale were, after being posted on DU, carried by a boxing internet forum, which surprised Bandy! And the third, which I posted here this month, was largely ignored on this forum, but got a lot of attention on other forums, including from the members of the boxing community I am friends with. They include a number of former world champions -- two at heavyweight -- who have become social activists and political organizers. But we don't communicate well with memes or tweets -- perhaps a sign of our age. So I really appreciate having this conversation. Thank you!

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
90. When I did that post
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:43 PM
Nov 2020

upthread about Gennady Golovkin, I was secretly hoping someone else interested in boxing might recognize his name and respond, but I never thought someone with such a rich boxing background as yours would be the one to reply, so thank YOU very much because I, too, have surely enjoyed this conversation!

In a previous post you mentioned how a friend of you and your brother died in a bout in Syracuse. Then you brought up Carmen Basilio. Basilio was one of my dad's all time favorite boxers (Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson were his other favorites), so as a young kid, I idolized Basilio as well. I'm sure you know that Norm Rothschild promoted Basilio. The thing is, my very elderly mom and late father were very good friends with Norm and Ada Rothschild. My dad knew Norm from some kind of a connection with both of them being in the navy. Because of our conversation in this thread, when I talked to my mom on the phone tonight, I asked her about the Rothschilds. She said Norm and Ada were the most wonderful people anyone could ever know. Before my parents moved upstate from the city, she said Norm and Ada would come down the city to see them and they'd go out to a show together. My mom was so happy that I asked her about them tonight. She even rambled on about how Ada was a fine tap dancer and stuff like that.

I'm sorry to hear the condition your older brother is in, but I'm wondering if a legal treatment with psychedelic drugs might be something that could possibly help your brother. They are doing a lot of good research on it now.

I never saw those boxing threads you mentioned, but it's probably because I usually only look at the GD forum, or maybe I was "on leave" from DU at the time. There are times when I take long breaks from DU, sometimes for weeks, sometimes for months or even years, when I need to get other stuff done or if I just need a break from politics, or in the instance of a year ago when I was suspended for a while, I guess for having too many posts of mine removed in a short period of time in the Primaries forum. Anyway, thanks again for the chat and for your "blow by blow" description of your friendship with Rubin Hurricane Carter and all the other things you mentioned!

H2O Man

(73,308 posts)
91. Norm Rothschild!
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

Now, he worked with the DeJohn brothers from Syracuse. They boxed, as well as trained numerous fighters, including Carmen. Norm was a young, really successful businessman, who didn't depend upon boxing for income. Of course, he wasn't looking to lose money, but he was a perfect fit for the DeJohns and Basilio, who were 100% focused on avoiding mob ties. Rothschild was the only promoter who could operate on that high of a level without having any debt to the hoodlums that had an unhealthy control of the sport. So Norm was loved in Onondaga County, but he was resented by the other forces that controlled the various titles in most every weight class.

Mike DeJohn actually fought Sonny Liston in the late 1950s.

That's cool that your parents knew Norm and Ada. (I don't think I ever heard her name before; Ada was also my great uncle's wife's name!)

I watched Danny Jacobs' bout last night. There were two cards on at the same time, so my younger son came over and hooked it up so we watched one on the big screen and the other on a medium screen. Looking forward to the big British heavyweight fight at 2 pm/est, then the Tyson vs Jones "exhibition" tonight!

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
7. Forget what?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:12 PM
Nov 2020

Is this another riddle? C'mon, guys, I'm doing my best to guess who you're talking about.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
8. They're talking about Bernie.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:23 PM
Nov 2020

If people are being coy and not saying who they are talking shit about on this website you can almost guarantee it is about Bernie.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
31. Okay
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:00 AM
Nov 2020

I was just thinking you might know about the socks.


But I guess not. btw, any word on the key word?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. What socks are you referring to specifically?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:12 PM
Nov 2020

As it seems a most fascinating and insightful implication you've made, I'd love to hear you clarify your sentiment.

Sympthsical

(8,935 posts)
85. When have they ever been coy?
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 04:00 PM
Nov 2020

Bashing Bernie is the one rule on this site it is completely acceptable to break without consequence.

Although, now that his rise seems done, all the conservative Democrats seem to have shifted on over to AOC as their object of derision. Just remember, kids, the Left is just as bad as Republicans! You know, because school loan forgiveness is just as unconscionable as kids in cages or something.

(Funny note: I once saw a prolific anti-AOC poster tell this heartwarming story of how they worked their way through college with a part-time job. In the 60s. And why can't kids today do the same thing? Yes, they were being utterly serious. When a facepalm just isn't enough).

/s Just in case.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,563 posts)
10. I know who your talking about and your right
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:30 PM
Nov 2020

I was a supporter, but yeah, he should've conceded long before he did. Even so, he wasn't/isn't anywhere near as bad as the Dotard.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
15. Cool, another riddle!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:42 PM
Nov 2020

Three riddles in one thread must be a new DU record. I have to run out to buy some groceries and then pick up a pizza on the way back, too, but I'll try to figure out who the "coy one" is that you're talking about while I'm gone.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,563 posts)
22. I'm sorry mtnsnake
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:39 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I got irritated by your posts and I reacted badly. I behaved childishly and I'm deleting the post you responded to. The last thing I want to do here is pick fights with people. In the end we're all on the same side here. I think that Celerity was right about the OP's post. It's divisive, pointless and should be self deleted.

Stay safe out there and have a Happy Thanksgiving.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
25. Hey there MustLoveBeagles
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:11 PM
Nov 2020

I didn't think you reacted badly at all, so no problem my friend. If anything, I probably deserved worse, lol. All in fun, though.

And, I hope you, too, have a wonderful Thanksgiving tomorrow. Aside from any issues that any of us might have to deal with, we can all be thankful that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are in our minds and hearts as we rid ourselves of the monster that used to keep us awake at night. Better days ahead for all us Democrats!

MustLoveBeagles

(11,563 posts)
37. Thank you mtnsnake
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:22 AM
Nov 2020


Joe and Kamala winning was one of the few good things to happen this year. When Pennsylvania was called I felt like I could breathe again. It's a big relief that the grownups will be in charge again.

Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #37)

MustLoveBeagles

(11,563 posts)
45. Thanks
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:53 AM
Nov 2020

It was the right thing to do. On a reread it came off as passive aggressive & b*tchy so I thought it best to delete and apologise. mtnsnake was cool about it so it's all good.

Have happy and safe Thanksgiving grantcart.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
17. June 14 Clinton became the presumptive Democratic nominee Jul 12 Sanders formally endorsed her.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:47 PM
Nov 2020

Months? Sure.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. June 6th. Five weeks vs Four days. It was an unnecessary and divisive delay.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Thu Nov 26, 2020, 06:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Although, it was very clear for many weeks in advance of June 6th that he really had no path to the nomination. The numbers just weren't there for him. Everyone knew it. No reasonable person expected him to win even before Hillary had "officially" hit the numbers needed. It was a foregone conclusion. It was already a very hostile race that went on much longer than it needed to. Doing so served no good purpose.

https://tinyurl.com/y3vjhx5d

https://tinyurl.com/zqtbpt9

Four days after Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Hillary Clinton endorsed him. Four weeks after Clinton effectively clinched her party's 2016 nomination, Bernie Sanders still hadn't endorsed her.

Response to Autumn (Reply #61)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. No, that's not correct. June 6th is correct.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)

And, as it has been pointed out repeatedly... everyone already knew for many weeks prior that there was no chance for anyone other than Hillary to win enough delegates going forward. She had already won. She was very strong in all the remaining states. There were no more caucuses and not enough "open primary" states that could make a difference. It was a divisive campaign that went on for far too long and for no good purpose. All I'm trying to point out is that instead of delaying and dragging things out, that time could have been put to better use.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Yes. Yes I do.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:50 PM
Nov 2020
Pissed me off then. Pisses me off now.
It was a political stunt with very high consequences.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
32. "'some people say' that maybe if the system was not rigged against me ... . That's what some
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:03 AM
Nov 2020

people say."

Tribetime

(4,670 posts)
76. I just asked for a name and I don't know 2019 June anybody
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:45 AM
Nov 2020

If it's about a fellow Democrat I fail to see the point of this whole thread

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
78. Trump did it in the Republican primary against Cruze.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:03 AM
Nov 2020

He claimed that Cruze illegally won Iowa and said that the election needed a do over. Same BS, different day.

Sympthsical

(8,935 posts)
86. Apparently so little of consequence has happened between 2016 and now
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 04:06 PM
Nov 2020

That we can spend our time sticking that particular pin in the Democratic voodoo doll.

Very useful way to spend time.

"Unity! (Unless it's Bernie or AOC, then war and vengeance!"

Priorities, people.

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