Important re: Trump pardoning Flynn.

[DTomlinson]

Link to tweet

[OnDoutside]

1. Ha ! I just posted that question on another thread. My guess is that it

will be wide ranging. He'll be one I'd want before Congress to go through all this. Let him lie this time

[DTomlinson]

2. Yeah, Trump just might have made a mistake here...

[OnDoutside]

4. He's just trying to win the moment I would think.

[WVreaper]

13. Just maybe

[Mike 03]

3. I still want to know why he lied and what he really talked about.

Peter Strzok was one of the two agents who interviewed him. What they observed was a man telling bald-face lies whose body language was that of someone being completely honest.

Strzok said he had never seen anyone lie in that way before.

Also, the agents wanted to end the interview, but Flynn kept it going, going on and on, and gave them a tour of the West Wing.

Does anybody else think the discussion had to to with the Magnitsky Act?

[DTomlinson]

6. Flynn might have been lying about Trump's knowledge of the calls. Maybe there were other calls

That we don’t know about, or at least in-person conversations (no record of the meetings) with Russian officials and lobbyists, along with the Middle East angle - Israel, the Saudis and the Emiratis.

[TheRealNorth]

8. Sociopaths who are completely comfortable with lying....

will probably lie and not show body language "tells" that they are lying.

[TexasBushwhacker]

5. Doesn't Flynn have to admit guilt

in order to accept the pardon?

[mopinko]

7. nope. he can get a 'nixon special'

[unblock]

10. No. Admission of guilt really has nothing to do with pardons.

*if* you're going for a pardon based on an excessive sentence or that in any event you've paid your due, *then* the president or governor will typically require you to admit guilt and show remorse as part of convincing his/her to grant you a pardon.

But otherwise, no. Not a requirement.

[greenjar_01]

9. Chance that Trump actually signed paperwork before issuing tweet:

ZERO.

[crickets]

11. Ha! Likely true. nt

[Kid Berwyn]

12. Is Flynn now compelled testify to a grand jury or Congress?

From the LA Times in 2017:

Trump could pay a price if he hands out pardons in the Russia probe as he did for Joe Arpaio

By DAVID G. SAVAGE
LA Times STAFF WRITER
AUG. 31, 2017

Excerpt...

But when charges or potential charges are wiped away by a presidential decree, so too is the right to refuse to testify before a grand jury or before Congress about what they know.

“As the Supreme Court put it in 1895, ‘If the witness has already received a pardon, he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands with respect to the offense as if it had never been committed,’” said University of Texas law professor Steve Vladeck.

“Of course, that only works for federal offenses,” Vladeck said. “The president can’t pardon offenses against state law, and so theoretically, someone like Flynn or Manafort could still argue that they have a 5th Amendment right based upon potential state law crimes. That would, no doubt, provoke some pretty major litigation.”

Still, the conflict between the president’s pardon power and a defendant’s right to remain silent could complicate any White House effort to thwart the investigation. Moreover, Trump could build a case of obstruction of justice against himself if he pardoned close associates who were under investigation.

Continues...

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pardon-legal-trump-20170831-story.html

So long, Dumpy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. So, his post-pardon testimony will be truthful, and implicate Trump, or he lies & goes to jail. Nt