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Sorry about the paywall. Posting because it is one person's view (not necessarily mine, at least to me it is missing big pieces). How can anyone assess the election outcome without explicitly referring to right wing hate media and it's effects)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/opinion/trump-democrats-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
To the dismay of Democrats, the presidents strategy of ignoring the pandemic mostly worked for Republicans.
Will Wilkinson
By Will Wilkinson
Contributing Opinion Writer
Nov. 27, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET
President Trumps disastrous mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic probably cost him re-election. Yet it seems mind-boggling that he still won more votes than any incumbent president in American history despite his dereliction of responsibility at a time of a once-in-a-century health crisis and economic devastation.
Why are President-elect Joe Bidens margins so thin in the states that clinched his victory? And why did the presidents down-ticket enablers flourish in the turbulent, plague-torn conditions they helped bring about?
Democrats, struggling to make sense of it all, are locked in yet another round of mutual recrimination: They were either too progressive for swing voters too socialist or aggressive with ambitious policies like the Green New Deal or not progressive enough to inspire potential Democratic voters to show up or cross over.
But they should understand that there was really no way to avoid disappointment. Three factors the logic of partisan polarization, which inaccurate polling obscured; the strength of the juiced pre-Covid-19 economy; and the success of Mr. Trumps denialist, open-everything-up nonresponse to the pandemic mostly explain why Democrats didnt fare better.
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Democrats might have done better had sunny polls and their own biased partisan perceptions not misled them into believing that backlash to indisputably damning Republican failure would deliver an easy Senate majority but not much better. Until the mind-bending spell of polarization breaks, everything that matters will be fiercely disputed and even the most egregious failures will continue to go unpunished.
janterry
(4,429 posts)The partisans on the left and the right will popularize their own narrative. But where are the good, unbiased polls - asking questions, exploring our population. We have so many pundits. Too many.
jimfields33
(15,801 posts)Some people it didnt even seem to touch them at all in their circles. Some saw it in their community but not them. Some got the virus but recovered easily. And, of course some were painfully hit hard by the virus.
So in a country of 330 million people, the virus overall was all over the place. People looked at the virus by their own perception. Right or wrong thats partly what happened.
JHB
(37,160 posts)Republicans have multiple overlapping media empires that run on bile and axe grinding. Donnie resonated with so many of them because he spouted back the same things they've been hearing for decades.
These give conservatives the opportunity to define the terms, to scare-monger about "socialism" for policies that would have been at home in a Roosevelt administration . A Teddy Roosevelt administration, much less FDR.
There is no equivalent on the Democratic side. Not by a long shot.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)no idea why - maybe their identity as the media causes the blind spot?
Hugin
(33,144 posts)in an Eisenhauer or Nixon administration no less.
cutroot
(875 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)on SO MANY LEVELS and the fear ads that ran made impact. To have reasoned debate AND COMPREHENSION you have to LOOK THRU THE EYES of the other political support and why democrats fail so fucking bad with messaging.....basing OUR MESSAGE ON OUR VALUES will ALWAYS FAIL
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)gotta get it thru all our heads that we can not win anything by expecting fairness and facts to be IMPORTANT
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,345 posts)Azathoth
(4,608 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... that's developed has had their polling being this off for this long with outcomes titled this many times towards one party.
Polling science is pretty accurate world wide in developed countries, except for the US ... we need to ask why instead of doing the same thing on a different day expecting different results
Azathoth
(4,608 posts)I have theories as to why, just like everyone else, but the fact remains it's currently broken and therefore doesn't necessarily reflect everything going on in the electorate.
I think there is a lot of validity to the lockdowns-hurt-Dems hypothesis, which is why I proposed it back on Nov 4. I think Trump, through sheer reckless irresponsibility, managed to bait us into positioning ourselves as the pro-covid-restrictions, pro-lockdown party, which scared off a lot of voters, and not just because of conspiracy theories they heard on Fox.
Hopefully, if the polling can get fixed, we'll be able to do follow-up polls as part of an election autopsy to test these kinds of theories.
radius777
(3,635 posts)many of whom own small businesses or have undocumented family members who don't qualify (unfortunately) for gov't assistance and who literally need the economy to be open to make any money at all.
We were wise to portray ourselves as the pro-science/following the guidelines party - but we took it too far as it allowed Repubs to portray us overly cautious and imperious, while they out-mobliized us on the ground.
Polling was off for a host of other reasons though, which Nate Cohn posted a good analysis of the other day.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Trump wins, we're treated to four years of diner interviews with Trump trash.
Trump loses, we're now going to be treated to more years of diner interviews with Trump trash?
The NY Times is a cesspool.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We must have missed all of the "Why did so many people vote for Hillary" stories and the coverage of all of the real Americans who supported Obama.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... the voting is off, something aint right.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)like to "analyze" but their "solutions" are lacking. In essence, they feed the narratives that they write about that they insist are the "problems".
The only way the GOP had a "drum beat" was because the media - meaning "mainstream" (because we know the RW lunatic fringe media was manufacturing the talking points) normalized freak behavior.
Instead of fighting against this administration's sycophants, they gave some kind of "legitimacy" to the lunatic rants, continued to make the assumption that "Well, this is just 'hyperbole' and they'll 'change' and go back to being 'normal'", and waited almost 3 years before finally fact-checking and calling out the lies. But by then it was too late.
Blaming some fictionalized misguided reliance on "polls" and presenting that as a reason for the outcomes in certain races and as a solution to such (despite the fact that Democrats already saw what happened with the "polls" in 2016 and did know better), misses the point. The point is that they (the media itself), after being mocked, flogged, insulted, lambasted, threatened, ignored, stood up, and finally whipped into submission by the GOP into going along with the endless reporting of their falsehoods and distorted view of the world (all in the name of "ratings", "eyeballs", and "page clicks" ), they couldn't seem to find a way to divorce themselves from the abuse and now they want to blame "Democrats" for not holding what were already "swing seats" in gerrymandered districts.
Ironically in 2018, they (the "media" ) misread the electorate and missed the mark for what eventually happened with what we dubbed "the blue tsunami", and did very little mea culpa about it. So as revenge, instead of self-reflection, they double down this year to lecture with some kind of misguided "I told you so" nonsense. I am seeing that here in Philly with the local pundits/opinion writers who lambasted my city for "lack of turnout" and "not even reaching 2016 turnout levels", rather than waiting for the votes to be finalized. And when the votes WERE finalized, not only did the city break the 2016 levels (in the middle of a pandemic) but blew past their all-time highs of 2008 and 2012 when voting for Obama. But was that ever reported here? Of course not.
Years ago, the journalist associations used to hold panel discussions (usually aired by CSPAN during the summer when Congress was out of session) on "what they could do better" (they call that "Lessons Learned" today). It's long past time that they resurrect this practice.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Nimble_Idea
(1,803 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)In the previous elections (ETA - the number for the Democratic Presidential candidate) -
Philadelphias voter turnout disappointed this year, but these strategies helped raise it in the 21st Ward | Opinion
FALSE.
Philly was supposed to turn out huge for Biden. It didnt. What happened?
FALSE.
Despite dance parties, Philly Dems disappointed in 2020 turnout. But we can fix that. | Opinion
FALSE.
And thank YOU for the thank you!!!
radius777
(3,635 posts)and feed the idea that 'the rural heartland' is the 'real America'. They do this basically because the rightwing has 'worked the refs' over the past 50 years, accusing the media of being 'coastal elites', etc.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)No one in "the media" ever questions the "rural" dwellers (notably 45's supporters) about what THEY might "do differently" or why THEY "lost" their President, beyond simply repeating their crazy conspiracy theories.
I don't have a problem with people who live in rural areas. Hell, it starts getting "rural" in some places just a few miles outside of my city.
Throughout the history of humanity, you have always had "the trading centers" (cities) that served as a distribution point of a variety of goods and services, and the "rural lands" where the "food" was produced (either through planting or animal husbandry). The two sectors were not mutually exclusive and were and still are, inter-dependent.
This tactic to drive a wedge between these natural alliances is the latest stark evidence of the "divide and conquer" mentality. The parroting of false narratives is done by endlessly bloviating "pundits", who often twist themselves into pretzels in order to run with the "well both sides" sentiment, never requiring the one side to "accept responsibility" but expecting our side to accept their framing.
They are quick to scold us about calling many of them "racists", but are just as adamant about demanding that we call ourselves "coastal elites".
This past summer, I saw the reactions of people living in the areas that intersect the urban and the rural - the "suburbs" - where a populace suddenly woke up and responded to what was going on around them, both nationally and in their own lives, with respect to their own behavior.
The overlaid "narrative" about the BLM movement was that the months of protests were somehow "all black" (a "black thing" ). But it WASN'T. I still sit here shocked and in awe to see who actually came out to protest on behalf of "black lives" and it wasn't "black people" other than a small number (outside of the movement's leadership around the country) who were cherry-picked to appear at the front of march in photos or video clips.
I.e., there was a REAL "revolution" going on and it was out in the suburbs around the nation, including in "red states", and that is something that the "pundits" have YET to address in any meaningful way because they are still stuck on stupid with the stereotypes that they helped to promote. What was reported lacked any understanding of the value of that "revolution" that literally upended some the most egregious symbols of white supremacy (e.g., statues and monuments that celebrated it). People have been begging and protesting for that stuff to be removed for decades and it fell on deaf ears, yet it happened "almost overnight" during this past summer and into the fall, just like that. A house of many cards that fell and the media missed it because they obsessed over a term "defund the police".
This tells me that they are talking but not hearing or seeing.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)has nothing to do with polls. It's about how Democrats allowed themselves to get caught up in Trump's spider web of blame around the economy open or closed argument and didn't change the argument. Which, let's face it, is a common problem for Dems of late. They simply will not own the public discourse.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)(the media) then you'll never get the word out save for door-to-door. And even that is difficult with the social media poison.
As soon as "Democrats" start utilizing "GOP tactics", here comes the whine parade about being "too centrist" and "to the right" and "not caring about people".
My mother (history/political science major) would tell me and my sisters that they used to call this in her day as a young adult ('40s/'50s) "yellow journalism". It has a long and storied history in the U.S.
We are past the time for continual self-flogging and need to put up some money for and commit to buying our own megaphones.
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BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)something I have posted about before. You will always have a segment of the populace who do value that "style" and "demeanor" and "dynamic", regardless of the consequences of the behavior that often goes along with that type of persona.
Sad to say but that is why "gangsters" and even "gangster rap" was so popular. It embodied a sense of ("physical" ) power and who doesn't sometimes admire the notion or appearance of "power"?
bluestarone
(16,940 posts)1) Social media 2) religion, 3) Misinformation! PERFECT STORM!!
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Someone who beats his chest and claims to love this country... who wraps himself in the flag and carries a Bible. And someone who openly attacks his opponents. We are a nation of bullies with way too many Ugly Americans.
Racism.
Politics as team sports -- R versus D.
Economics -- those doing well in this economy want to keep that train rolling.
Decades of right-wing media brainwashing.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)the scientists was high on their list.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Because a significant number of Americans are racist, feel threatened by the people they believe should be beneath them, and are devoted to a leader who publicly agrees with them, tells them it's ok to feel that way, and appears to fight for their rightful place at the top of the racial hierarchy.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Many of Trumps voters without a college degree resent affirmative action. They view women and minorities as coming behind them in line for help, they were there first, working, following the rules, but the women and minorities get special help, cutting in line. How can we change that? The state college can give a little break to those from families with low income, low education, independent of race or sex. There can be tax incentives for employers in poor rural counties, say coal mining counties. We can praise white people who rise from poverty. Have Kamala hug them on a stage.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)part cult zombies, part "I always vote Republican", part fetus obsession, part Hatred of Certain Groups, part "I'm doing all right, I don't give a fuck about anyone else".
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)have won without the pandemic hurting him. I actually think it was closer than i would have been otherwise because of the pandemic and the divisions he exploited, all aided by rightwing media.
The article completely ignores all his crimes and corruption. It's ridiculous.