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Nevilledog

(51,005 posts)
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:40 PM Nov 2020

Third Circuit rejecting the Trump campaign's appeal



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Steve Vladeck
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Here is the unanimous, 21-page opinion by the Third Circuit rejecting the Trump campaign's appeal in the Pennsylvania case, written by (Trump appointee) Judge Bibas:

https://justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Trump.pdf
10:31 AM · Nov 27, 2020
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Third Circuit rejecting the Trump campaign's appeal (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2020 OP
It's wonderful! :) servermsh Nov 2020 #1
Wow, 21 pages just to tell them to grumpyduck Nov 2020 #2
You betcha Nevilledog Nov 2020 #3
Judge who wrote the decision is a 2017 Trump appointee...all three judges are GOP teach1st Nov 2020 #4
Also brings up Giuliani said no fraud Nevilledog Nov 2020 #5
That decision was ON FIRE! grumpyduck Nov 2020 #7
The Third Circuit Court of Appeals has handed another loss to the Trump campaign' Gothmog Nov 2020 #6
Voters, not lawyers, choose the President Gothmog Nov 2020 #8
How many ass kickings are his lawyers going to beg for, before some judge decides Volaris Nov 2020 #9
Sadly, they could not simple rule: "Pound Sand." MineralMan Nov 2020 #10
Try though he might, Trump was unable to destroy our judiciary peggysue2 Nov 2020 #11
From Marc Elias Gothmog Nov 2020 #12
Legal speak, in general, can be dry rustysgurl Nov 2020 #13
Believe it or not, dware Nov 2020 #15
Marc Elias is not tired of winning Gothmog Nov 2020 #14

teach1st

(5,932 posts)
4. Judge who wrote the decision is a 2017 Trump appointee...all three judges are GOP
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:51 PM
Nov 2020
"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."


The opinion concludes:

Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims.

Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.

And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot.

We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal…

grumpyduck

(6,222 posts)
7. That decision was ON FIRE!
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:58 PM
Nov 2020

"But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold."

And these were Republican judges.

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
8. Voters, not lawyers, choose the President
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:10 PM
Nov 2020

Prof. Hasen loves the last paragraphs of this ruling




The opinion concludes:

Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims.

Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.

And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot.

We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal…
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Volaris

(10,266 posts)
9. How many ass kickings are his lawyers going to beg for, before some judge decides
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:17 PM
Nov 2020

To put someone's law licence in the shredder?

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
10. Sadly, they could not simple rule: "Pound Sand."
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:23 PM
Nov 2020

although that is the briefest way to paraphrase the ruling.

"Pound Sand, Trump Campaign! Pound Sand!"

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
11. Try though he might, Trump was unable to destroy our judiciary
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:36 PM
Nov 2020

And thank God for that. Our judiciary became the country's firewall without which we would have lost the Republic.

to all these judges, Dem and Republican alike, who held fast, protected the rule of law and ultimately the country.

Take that, AG Barr. Barr reminded everyone quite recently that the 'victors write the history.' In this case, our judges just wrote you off, as well as your lawlessness and slavish defense of Donald Trump and his fascist enablers.





rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
13. Legal speak, in general, can be dry
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:54 PM
Nov 2020

as the Sahara, with one trying to weed through the words and phrases for what's actually being said. Whoever wrote this opinion is a master. I want to stand up and applaud.

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