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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 01:59 PM Nov 2020

BREAKING: Third Circuit upholds lower court's dismissal of Trump/Giuliani suit in Pennsylvania

And does so with no mercy ...

Oh - And the judge writing this scathing opinion was appointed by ... Wait for it ... Trump




The Trump Presidential Campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the Campaign “doesn’t plead fraud. . . . [T]his is not a fraud case.” Mot. to Dismiss Hr’g Tr. 118:19–20, 137:18. Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more.

Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close  they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots  with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we  can hear. And
earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims. 

Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead  into  gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal  voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so  granting leave to amend would have been futile.  

And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction  sought here. First, for the reasons already given,  the Campaign is unlikely to succeed  on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable
harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of  victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally,  the public interest strongly favors  finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt  every other election on the  ballot.  

We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal. The Campaign asked for a very fast briefing schedule, and we have granted its request.

Because  the Campaign wants us to move as fast as possible, we also deny oral argument. We grant all motions to file overlength responses, to file amicus briefs, and to  supplement appendices. We deny  all other outstanding motions as moot. This Court’s mandate shall issue at once.
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BREAKING: Third Circuit upholds lower court's dismissal of Trump/Giuliani suit in Pennsylvania (Original Post) StarfishSaver Nov 2020 OP
Losers! mcar Nov 2020 #1
That's a nicely-written opinion. Laelth Nov 2020 #2
Written by a Trump judge StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #3
Another one bites the dust! sheshe2 Nov 2020 #4
Lol StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #6
I would be shocked if the SCOTUS even entertains an appeal greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #9
🤣 sheshe2 Nov 2020 #12
That's a nice, clear explanation. Kittycow Nov 2020 #5
That's funny, isn't it? StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #7
Trump team only challenged the lower court's denial to resubmit an amended complaint greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #10
Looks like His Lardship's crack legal team got another ass-whuppin'. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #11
Good news, but let's not be lulled into a false sense of security people ... Cuz any minute now ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #13
I've read some judicial opinions in my day rustysgurl Nov 2020 #14
reminds me of a Picard line from Star Trek The Next Generation........ Takket Nov 2020 #15
Voters, not lawyers, choose the President Gothmog Nov 2020 #16
+1 dalton99a Nov 2020 #17
Some of my favorite lines Gothmog Nov 2020 #18
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. Lol
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020



Three Republican-appointed judges, including the Trump appointee who wrote the opinion, are part of the "activist judicial machinery."

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
9. I would be shocked if the SCOTUS even entertains an appeal
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

There are no legal issues of any weight here.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
12. 🤣
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:26 PM
Nov 2020

Not one, not two but three R appointees...and one was tRumps! You just can’t make this shit up.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
5. That's a nice, clear explanation.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:10 PM
Nov 2020

I like how oral arguments were denied because the plaintiffs wanted everything done ASAP They always seem to shoot themselves in the foot.

Thanks for posting the good news.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
8. Trump team only challenged the lower court's denial to resubmit an amended complaint
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:13 PM
Nov 2020

This upholds that decision, however.

Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #8)

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
14. I've read some judicial opinions in my day
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:50 PM
Nov 2020

(retired paralegal), but this is a thing of beauty -- best to be savored while sipping a favorite beverage in front of a warm fire. Dog in lap or at your feet optional (but adds to that cozy feeling).

Slapdown of epic proportions. I may take it out and read it over and over just to giggle once in a while.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
15. reminds me of a Picard line from Star Trek The Next Generation........
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:06 PM
Nov 2020

"Your Honour, the courtroom is a crucible. In it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product, the truth for all time."

"The Measure of a Man" (13 February 1989) by Melinda M. Snodgrass

And this is the problem drumpf can never solve......... hyperbole and literally just maknig shit up can be spewed all day and night at your rallies and for the white house press corp and on FauxNoise...... but in the court room, you actually have to present... something.

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
16. Voters, not lawyers, choose the President
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 03:46 PM
Nov 2020

Prof. Hasen loves the last paragraphs of this ruling




The opinion concludes:

Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims.

Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.

And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot.

We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal…
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