I wish people would knock off the "Ha ha, Trump wears diapers" shit.

[Archae]

Yes, I do know a guy who wears them because of a MEDICAL condition.

And it's not funny, had he not had surgery that resulted in need the Depends, he would have DIED of cancer.

So continue to slam Trump on the fact that no one can trust him. No one.

But damn it, drop this "diapers" garbage.

[hlthe2b]

1. I can agree with you, but I'd bet your friend never spent his life belittling others for sport.

[Rorey]

15. He is an awfully cruel monster

I don't care a bit about being offensive toward the OrangeLOSER, because he deserves everything that comes his way.

I do care that this topic is offensive and insensitive to some very good people who have various health problems.

[LakeArenal]

2. Yeah. I felt the same abut being called Karen.

Some people don’t care if they are offensive.

[Rorey]

6. Gotta agree.

I know some very nice people named Karen.

[keithbvadu2]

12. 'Ivanka' would have been a more appropriate name for the common entitled princess.

'Ivanka' would have been a more appropriate name for the common entitled princess.

[Rorey]

17. Yes!!! NT

[JonLP24]

92. What do I do when a person named Karen is not bothered by it?

Link to tweet

Considering around 55% of white women that voted, voted for Trump perhaps they are 'Karens' (what the meme describes).

Racism would be solved a lot faster if we expressed the same level of outrage as we do for childish social media memes.

[whopis01]

100. Let them have their own opinion?

And not assume that they talk for everyone with that name?

[USALiberal]

10. I 100% agree! Bt

[LizBeth]

21. Right. Which has now manifested to any white middle age woman speaking can be a Karen.

Way to shut women up as a whole.

[Ms. Toad]

45. Agreed. There was just a thread about someone defending minorities

Being called a Karen.

Very quickly, it lost any legitimacy it has based on its origins and became a way to tell vocal women to shut up.

[LizBeth]

139. It did not start with racist spiels. It start some 4chan dude griping about an Xgf that went to

service industry to talk about the woman complaining sitting in privilege that then went to the vile racists. It was always about a woman knowing her place and the white women attacking blacks are vile racists, not Karens anyway.

But ya, I read recently about a black woman being a Karen and rolled my eyes. Complete 360.

[LakeArenal]

84. Yes Now if the server is rude we just have to shit up.

[LizBeth]

152. Right. I called dentist about my healthcare, a specific issue and said... I don't want to be

considered a Karen or anything, just really need information because I am concerned.

I mean, just another way of making women small, quiet and in the background.

[SlogginThroughIt]

36. It has nothing to do with the actual name.

It could literally be any name.

[DBoon]

67. if your parents had named you Karen

you might have a different opinion

[lame54]

182. Tough shit...

Signed Peter

[DBoon]

188. Is that Peter Richard Johnson?

[lame54]

191. In the flesh

[58Sunliner]

79. Well unfortunately it is inherently racist. It is a term used to denigrate white women.

What's the alternative? How about just calling people out for being racist, shitty, whatever. All you have to do is ask yourself if we have a name for white men, or racist abusive people of any other race.

[SlogginThroughIt]

86. hahahaha ok.

Give me a break.

[LakeArenal]

90. Wow. How dismissive you seem to be.

[SlogginThroughIt]

97. Yeah probably.

I just don’t care about white people getting up in arms about it. They could use my name instead and I wouldn’t care. Really I wouldn’t.

[58Sunliner]

101. What part are you disputing? It could be any name, buy it is only applied to white women.

You may argue it defines a specific type of white woman, but that does not change the fact that it is a derogatory term based on race and sex. There, I gave you a break.

[SlogginThroughIt]

102. So fucking what?

Jesus give me a fucking break are we supposed to pretend that there isn’t an extremely annoying group of white people that happen to be women that act this way? Thank god we have people like you to fight for their honor to be complete fucking assholes to people. Call them a karen, or call them a bunch of over inflated egos that think that they have the right to harrass people simply becuas ethey feel they are entitled.

[58Sunliner]

124. I'm not arguing to ignore racism, white supremacy, etc.., or pretend.

Calling people out for being racist, abusive, etc.. is necessary. I hate those people as much as anyone. No one is fighting for their "honor" as you put it. As disgusting as people can be, I think we as a society benefit from not using a derogatory label based on race and sex. Especially one that has the power to be abused. We should be better than that. There are far more options than a binary mindset.

[SlogginThroughIt]

134. Right. I am sure you are pure.

Certainly you can’t have said anything that may offend someone. I just don’t think it is that big of a deal and people putting it on the same level as the N word or other such offenses to me is hilarious.

[58Sunliner]

145. It is a sad argument when you put words into my statement that are not there.

Not even between the lines. I may not think of it as a huge deal, but I won't deny the double standard. I also think that there is a lack of clarity in labeling someone. I think it tends to negate the insidious nature of what they are truly advocating.

[SlogginThroughIt]

160. So you have never labeled republicans? In general?

Come on. You know you label people just as much as others do. Whatever name you want to ascribe to these people whether it is karen, asshole, bigot, racist whatever it is they have earned it. If your actual name is karen and you aren't one of these people why would you be so upset about it? Having not participated in that type of behavior probably affords you the ability to identify the spirit of the meme and agree that there are a lot of white women that act this way. That Karen was the name used to associate it probably isn't a direct attack on you but more so the people that share your skin tone.

Anecdotally, I don't know a single person named Karen that is pissed about this. Just a bunch of Jackies.

[58Sunliner]

178. I don't label based on sex or race. Get it? I label the behavior, the politics.

I wish you a happy unconflicted day.

[LizBeth]

154. Women have thru out history been denigrated to sit down, and be quiet. The karen thing is just

another example. It is misogyny and women are well versed in it. It started with service industry going after older, middle aged white women that complained. A way to shut a woman up. There are a lot of unreasonable complainers out there of all race and sex. Yes. But this is specifically one group of women and now if any woman that speaks out for any reason, one just needs to dismiss her or silence her with making her a Karen. Sit down and shut up.

This has nothing to do with the vile racists that happen to be white women we see on video. They are vile racists, not "Karens". But now women all over know if they dare to challenge anything, they can/will be labeled a Karen, regardless how rational, reasonable, or warranted a comment is.

[SlogginThroughIt]

159. no. It isn't that. At all. It is the annoying white woman complaining about the minor incovenience

no. It isn't that. At all. It is the annoying white woman complaining about the minor inconvenience she is experiencing while enjoying the insane amount of comfort on the back of an underpaid overworked person that she feels entitled to complain about having taken her country away from her.

Honestly, it seems the ONLY reason anyone is upset about this at ALL is because the term uses a typically white woman's name. And ain't it funny that the truth cuts deep? Just get over it. Or ask to talk to the manager.

[LizBeth]

161. Yes, it is, exactly that. A white middle age woman makes a comment YOU think a minor inconvenience,

a major problem, or a simple question and she is dismissed as being a Karen. Sounds to me like society coming up with just another giggle to shut a group of women up.

[SlogginThroughIt]

163. Oh I am sure that you are there crusading against EVERY single dick joke

Or hapless male joke or the the all men act this way or that. NOTE: I am not saying that you SHOULD be. I am saying get over it. The karen meme is making fun of THOSE white women that pull this shit. Not all Women. Not even ALL white women if you paid attention and really not even all white women named Karen. Would you feel better if we just called these people assholes? Probably not because you would be here talking about how society just wants to call all women assholes. Which isn't the truth of the meme.

It gets back to my point which it doesn't matter what people called these women. People just don't want to admit there is a massive problem with some white women who are so fucking privileged that we can't even call them out for being that way because someone is going to chastise others for calling it and that "just isn't fair".

[LizBeth]

164. The meme is against any woman you or society deems it is for speaking out. The sexism is not new.

Using the Karen meme to shut women up is the only knew thing.

Who are you to tell me what to get over? But then, I suppose this makes me a Karen, right?

I don't do dick jokes, they can be cruel, I am not cruel. Men have not been subjugated, dismissed, or discriminator against from the beginning of time.

[SlogginThroughIt]

165. No it isn't for that! YOU are making it that.

It is about shutting up the asshat that is screaming at the poor overworked person that didn't get her fucking latte to her in the time frame that she wanted it to be there. Or the hard working brown skinned person that accidentally stepped on her lawn or who took a break in the hot sun. Or the white woman going ape shit over the family of black folks celebrating their kids birthday in the park near her suburban home.

Maybe you just don't understand what the meme is talking about?

And the reason that I brought up the man joke thing is because you seemed to be laser focused on this and you don't even seem to understand what the point of it is. Like even at all. The reason it is focused to a name is specifically that it IS NOT ABOUT WOMEN IN GENERAL!!!! But rather a certain type of white woman!!!! As I said before the name is irrelevant. But the fact that it uses a name is to note that it identifies that it is talking about a particular type. If it wasn't that then guess what???? The meme would refer to WHITE WOMAN instead of KAREN.

How is this hard to understand????

[LizBeth]

183. "How is this hard to understand????" I ask the same, but know the answer.

I worked service a lifetime, I know the people that started the meme, and I know I had more older men aggressively go after me and treat me poorly than any middle age women. men that were actual threats, that had me picking up my phone to dial 911.

I get what it is about because as a woman I have seen it as a lifetime. I do understand. You are the only that is clearly lacking in knowledge.

[cwydro]

168. What do we call black women who complain about service?

I’ve seen it plenty of times.

[treestar]

121. It's sexist too because there is no derogatory for men

sticking up for themselves. A man is considered to be sticking up for himself if he thinks he is not being treated right, but a woman doing the same has a derogatory nickname.

And it's not just calling the manager, now it spreads to anyone disagreeing with a middle aged woman - they will use it.

[LizBeth]

155. +1

[scrabblequeen40]

174. Are you overlooking Dick on purpose? eom

[treestar]

181. That's not generally used

And it's not used on a man for standing up for himself.

I've been called Karen just for disagreeing.

[LizBeth]

184. +1. But really, you just do not understand. I am being a bit snide. I know I have apologitically

asked medical questions pertaining to my health to avoid being a "Karen". There is a problem there.

[LakeArenal]

85. No. It's Karen and it's offensive to people.

No excuse or double meaning.

[SlogginThroughIt]

87. I grew up being called cracker.

[LakeArenal]

88. So.... I never called you a cracker.

[SlogginThroughIt]

98. I don't care that you didn't.

I just don’t really feel that offended by it. And I find it funny that white people are getting bent out of shape about the word cracker. Especially when people here will use all sorts of terms for people they don’t like that are equally upsetting to people. Calling someone a karen or a becky or a heather or a dick or whatever else isn’t that offensive to me. But whatever get all bent out of shape about it if you want to. I guess don’t move to england where someone might call you a c%^* for being so uptight.

[treestar]

185. Is there a double standard?

I always read here that the offended person gets to decide.

Have you been called Karen? I don't bet bent out of shape about it. But it isn't really a nice thing to say just because you disagree with a middle aged white woman. That's how it has come to be used.

Getting to be mean to white people as revenge for institutional racism isn't working and that's no wonder.

[bdamomma]

95. That

is Qaren, not "Karen" there are many "good" Karen's out there.

[Raine]

113. Totally agree. nt

[LizBeth]

3. Agree. Who knows what the future brings, ...

[Rorey]

9. Exactly

And, you know, karma.

[LizBeth]

22. Right... Lol.

[Rorey]

4. I agree. It's insensitive.

Now, if the reason for his need is his drug use, well, that's newsworthy. A person with so much power should have a clear head.

I had an acquaintance with that problem many years ago, and it was because he was abused. That was certainly nothing to joke about. Not only did he have to endure the psychological damage, but it also cause lifelong physical damage.

[CTyankee]

7. I agree to the extent that Trump's need for diapers is the result of his abuse of drugs and your

friend has a medical condition he didn't bring on himself and in a careless fashion.

[USALiberal]

11. Link to the drug abuse story????

[CTyankee]

20. Those stories are here on DU. Not sure where. I'll look and get back to you.

[CTyankee]

23. Here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214628402

[Trailrider1951]

25. The story is from Noel Casler's interview on Stephanie Miller's podcast

You can listen to it here:

https://sexyliberal.com/noel-casler-captain-valtrex/

"We sit down with comedian Noel Casler for a fascinating discussion about his experience working on the Apprentice for six seasons. He tells us about what he saw up-close from the current “President” and his kids: the crudeness, the drugs, the racism… and the incontinence. Listen and get motivated to vote this disgusting man OUT in November."

[Hekate]

32. All over DU for 5 years. Despite his notorious NDAs, there have been leaks. It's only now that ...

...someone is speaking out in his own name and giving the names of the enablers & cleaner-uppers — only now that we can really give credence to the gossip. See this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214628402

I pretty much refused to believe the incontinence story until now. But the drug stories were believable. And now...

Trump is disgusting. Did the drugs burn some kind of hole in his brain that allowed him to simply not care?

I am very sorry for all the people who have an actual physical condition sometimes even requiring surgery. I would never mock them for any reason.

But it is sheer false equivalency to set Trump alongside them — to do so demeans and diminishes them and their struggles. I hope you see my point

[smirkymonkey]

135. +1000

Trump's "condition" was completely self inflicted. Plus, he would be the first person to shame someone else for the same problem if it ever became known publicly. I have no doubt he would attack them relentlessly. He deserves to be humiliated.

[Hekate]

146. Thank you

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It never ceases to amaze me the number of DUers who take mention of any of Trump’s physical and mental defects as a personal assault on themselves. The only “safe” topic is apparently his orange paint.

He is a cruel, evil, man and everything that is wrong with him now is the result of choices he made as an adult. He doesn’t have colon cancer or any other bowel disease. He’s a drug addict with narcissistic personality disorder and a complete and utter contempt for all of humanity. “Ha! ha! I shall soil myself before your very eyes! You shall all fear to mention the stench that fills the room! Look how mighty I am!”

I can’t even.

[GoneOffShore]

189. Thank you. You have addressed this in the best possible way.

[womanofthehills]

37. Check out the video posted today by Neal Caster on Meidas Touch

The video was posted on DU today. Besides Trump’s bowel problems, Neal speaks of Trump’s abuse of Adderall and cocaine while on The Apprentice. If you check out Adderall forums, severe diarrhea can be a side effect. It’s a common problem with the drug and if you are taking mega doses - could be explosive.

[rustysgurl]

8. I agree with you 100%

I think people are dwelling it because, frankly, I don't think it's something anyone expected given his demeanor. That he may have brought it on himself makes it seem more acceptable. Still, there are so many other things he can be ridiculed for -- I think this shouldn't even be in the arsenal.

[JI7]

18. The reason is becsuse of how he attacks others

things like blood coming out of her, attacking Hillary for going to the bathroom and being sick.

And how he claims to be the healthiest person in the world.

[BannonsLiver]

29. Which is why I'm going to continue to mock his adult diapers.

There’s literally nothing that’s out of bounds to me when it comes to mocking him. What I won’t do is mock people who aren’t monsters who are required to wear them for medical reasons.

[Cha]

65. #DirtyDiaperDon

Bingo!😷

[paleotn]

73. +1000

[George II]

56. Yes. If he hadn't made fun of that disabled NYT reporter, called Biden demented and senile....

....and his sons hadn't taken every minor gaffe that Biden made due to his lifelong stuttering, etc., he might deserve some sympathy.

But no, he's been vicious for years, and he's earned every bit of humiliation he gets.

[brush]

62. I'm with you. His abuse of drugs caused it.

[Chemisse]

109. So he attacks people for things that have nothing to do with their character.

And your response is to do the same thing?

I don't care one bit how he feels. But I do care what other people feel who hear him being attacked for things THEY have wrong with them.

I guess my litmus test is, would I say that about my uncle?

1. That he is a fat pig and isn't it hysterical that he wears a diaper? No, because those things are not relevant to his character and he can't help it.

2. That he is a bully who peeks at young girls who are undressing? Yes I would, because they show he is an asshole and not worthy of respect.

Just because he is a total piece of crap doesn't mean we have to mimic that, even if it does make us feel better in the moment.

[womanofthehills]

47. I like that it's in the arsenal - knowing he shits in his pants

because of drug use could (not necessarily) turn off some Republicans. Especially, since he is known to just sit in it instead of taking off for the rest room

[japple]

57. I think his most ardent supporters would not give a hoot if they knew this about him

Hell, half of them could be crack/meth heads who have the same problem. He might be even more beloved.

[womanofthehills]

138. Your probably right - they can relate!

[Escurumbele]

78. No, trump deserves zero respect or pity. He is trying to leave a broken country as we speak

and we are going to have pity on him? No...definitely not!

Plus, he did it to himself, he is not a victim of any illness, and he has been a horrible man all his life.

Remember the story at Mar-A-Lago when a person fell, broke his/her head (I can't remember the details) was bleeding profusely and he complained that the tiles was being stained with no regard for the person?

He has ridiculed so many people, and if he was not shitting on his pants and knew about someone who did whom he didn't like, do you really think he would be respectful of that person? He would most probably come up with a name to ridicule the person.

I don't get this defense on this horrible man, he deserves zero.

[USALiberal]

13. I 100% agree!!! Nt

[uppityperson]

14. I agree, it's ageist and ableist.

[LAS14]

16. Never crossed my mind it was adult diapers. Always the image of the balloon baby. nt

[LuvNewcastle]

19. I just have to wonder about the people who change him.

Who would debase themselves so much as to wipe Trumpy's shitty ass? There are people who will do absolutely anything for money.

[RKP5637]

24. I agree, but Trump seems to have no problem picking on and cruelly mimicking handicapped people. n/t

[winstars]

27. Whats hilarious is my tRumper friends claim the same thing about Joe Biden.

That Joe wears diapers...

Up is down to them.

[LeftInTX]

28. It's juvenile

There is not even proof that Trump wears diapers.

Trump is so vain, that if there was proof, he would never show his face again

[womanofthehills]

41. Neal Caster sounds like he is telling the truth.

Sounds like many on Apprentice staff knew also.

[LeftInTX]

43. That isn't proof

Lots of stories come.out of Apprentice. Tom Arnold promised tapes, 4 years ago. We're still waiting.

[Squidly]

30. I have to wear depends because of my prostate cancer

But I still find it funny that he has to wear them due to his own actions. If it was because of cancer, it would be a different story.

[Archae]

40. Going to admit it, since you did...

The "guy I know" with the problem is me.

And it's for the same reason as yourself.

I hate wearing these damn things, but I have to.

[Dorian Gray]

94. I hope you get well

and I'm sorry you've suffered through that.

Wearing depends isn't humiliating. It should not be a point of mockery.

Trump throwing temper tantrums should be humiliating to him and everybody around him. That he constantly takes offense and is the most emotional and emotionally unstable president. That he can't take the truth or that he can't be told no. That he fears looking like he's weak so he behaves in a way that makes him look weak. That he espouses racist things at the drop of a hat. That he grabs women. That he paints his face orange because he thinks it makes him look handsome....

Those are all things that should humiliate him and his family.

[Skittles]

147. there should be no shame in needing a bladder control product

there IS shame in being Donald Fucking Trump - I think the problem with him is, he incessantly insults others so he just opens a big door to get it hurled right back at him

but m not a big fan of references to his weight, either - he has so many faults far worse than his medical conditions or his weight

[Archae]

148. As to Trump's weight, I think it's entirely his own fault.

I've read many articles documenting how often he pigs out on Big Macs and large orders of fries.

Bill Clinton had a weight problem at one time too, not as bad though.
A newsman told a story about how Bill Clinton was at some sort of get-together, and was eating a rice dish that he was just shoveling the food in.

Bill Clinton though did go on a diet, (vegetarian?) and has lost weight.

Trump though is a fat slob, and will likely die of weight-related issues like a heart attack.

[grantcart]

149. Sorry to hear.

[phylny]

166. My husband has the same issue and goes through bags of pads each month.

He just had surgery at Duke University a few weeks ago for an implant that is an artificial sphincter for his urinary incontinence. The device gets "turned on" in January. I believe this will be life changing for him.

So many men have the same issue after treatment for prostate cancer. I wish you well!

[BannonsLiver]

44. I wonder

If it’s possible for one to hold the position that it’s wrong to make fun of regular people who are forced to wear them for medical reasons, while also believing Trump doesn’t deserve that level of decency. Because that’s sort of where I’m at on this issue.

[mr_lebowski]

48. I'm kinda there too ...

I would (somewhat begrudgingly) admit that it's probably unacceptably unfair to the people who are hurt by this teasing even though it's not directed at them ...

But damn it if Trump doesn't deserve to get a hard time about it just because of his freaking personality, his making fun of disabled people, etc ... esp. if it's true he brought it on himself.

Tough one.

If others want to call him Diaper Don ... I'm not apt to correct them, put it like that.

[BannonsLiver]

58. It's a worthwhile discussion

When you are dealing with people who are quite literally evil to their core what constitutes off limits.

We’ve seen many posts here about his weight. A lot of people are overweight because they are low income and have to eat crappy food or because crappy food is the one comfort they can afford. And other people are overweight because they have thyroid or other medical issues beyond their control or are addicted to food in the way an alcoholic is addicted to booze. Addiction is addiction IMO.

I’m bald as a cue ball and would never consider doing whatever it is Trump is doing with his hair because I’m comfortable with it, but I accept there are people who are deeply insecure about baldness in a way that goes beyond vanity.

I guess we’re all sort of policing ourselves on this. It’s a unique situation because he is so vile.

[Ms. Toad]

52. The post above yours should tell you that it is not.

The OP just acknowledged that, even in the anonymity of DU - they didn't feel free to acknowledge that the person they were referencing was themself.

Whenever a characteristic is used to ridicule someone, others with the same characteristic feel the sting of your slap (what would they think about me if they only knew I were diapers, too . . .)I

It is not possible to separate using a characteristic as a weapon against a vile human being from the impact it has on others who share it.

[thucythucy]

91. That is an excellent point.

[rdchili96]

115. It is possible...

but unfortunately PC culture has gotten rid of nuance.

[Sympthsical]

129. You're not calling Ivanka the c-word here, are you?

If not, why not?

Same reasoning.

[sir pball]

142. The only reason I don't call that G-D C

A C here is because I'll respect the standards of the site. I sure as fuckin shit call her that and worse, quite cheerfully and under my real name, on media where such vulgarity is tolerated.

[Sympthsical]

170. Well, that's my point

What we say in private is different than what we say in public around others. There are other cases. Christie’s weight or Graham’s sexuality. People have said the mocking bothers them, if they themselves are overweight or gay, respectively.

It’s just about having respect for those around you. It doesn’t mean extending respect to Trump.

[sir pball]

171. I don't just say it in private, not by a long shot.

Facebook, Instagram, Imgur, Twitter, I don't say "Ivanka", ever. I have a specific phrase instead, I won't repeat it here.

DU is about the only place I *don't* publicly say it, or a lot of other name-substitutions, literally only because it would get hidden. I make no bones about it - I won't start a fight with no decency, honor, or humanity, but I'll won't take some high road to avoid it, either.

[Sympthsical]

177. You do you

Everyone's to taste. I suppose it's a know your audience sort of thing. If I know I might inadvertently insult someone I don't intend to, I just keep things to myself.

[cwydro]

172. You're comparing being overweight to being gay?

And people who are bothered by the mocking of Graham’s sexuality are not “bothered “ because they themselves are gay.

We’re bothered by the fact people tend to use it as an insult, which your post shows perfectly.

[Sympthsical]

176. Uh, I'm gay

I meant using someone's characteristics to mock when others, who are not the target of the derision, share those characteristics. Even if you're not aiming for innocent parties, you can hit them collaterally. People use gay as an insult against Graham. People use fatness as an insult against Christie.

I've seen overweight people here complain about it being used in regards to Christie in nearly every thread about the guy. And I, myself, spoke out against the Graham gay stuff in that long thread that cropped up about it here about a week or two ago.

Sorry if my articulation was unclear. And no, I do not consider obesity to be similar to orientation.

[cwydro]

179. I don't consider it to be a "characteristic " either.

As for those here, and they are many, who use gay as an insult - I’ve no use for them.

I have no one on ignore, but I do ignore many.

[Sympthsical]

180. Part of their identity?

I'm not sure what word you want to use there. A part of a what a person is. I'm gay. I heave a beard. I have brown eyes. They're all characteristics to me.

But, we're a bit in the weeds here =)

[treestar]

187. There are better ways to mock them

based on what they said or did rather than their weight, etc.

[treestar]

186. +1

Given how Dump has treated others, it's tough to feel bad for him, and if I have some of the same faults, i don't see it as launched at me - I figure the DUer would not say that to me just because they said if of Dump.

[RazzleCat]

31. I agree and going to add in

Don't value by looks alone. Go after Trump for his vanity making bad worse, orange skin, what ever that is on his head, but in general say any average "flaw" leave it alone. Overweight (me too), not the best hair say women's helmet hair or mens bad combover, just leave it. I also don't care about what you wear, not the best color, cut etc, not the important item. Again I give a pass re: Trump because he makes himself uglier with his attempts to be "pretty". He will never be a "looker" in my book, but if he would put down the makeup, give up on the hair and get a suit that fits, then I would see no reason to go after his unattractive outside at all, he would just be an average looking incompetent a*hole.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. It's kind of mean and ageist, not that Trump has ever avoided being mean

to anyone - though it might just be an attempt to explain his enormous booty. But picking on him on account of his vast behind might be kind of mean, too.

[mr_lebowski]

50. Trump himself has been relentlessly ableist and ageist against Biden FFS ...

Oh, and Hillary too in a sense.

This one is tough for me ... he so deserves any fair ridicule he gets in this regard after how he's acted.

But I don't want to hurt others who don't deserve to be hurt by our taunting of Trump.

[Ms. Toad]

72. Your last line is the key

You can't avoid hurting others who don't deserve it when you use a characteristic that also applies to them as an insult.

[JonLP24]

99. I have to deal with people constantly blaming Trump's behavior

And others bad behavior on mental illness and no one calls out how stigmatizing that is. I do think Trump is either or both a sociopath and narcissist but I consider those to be a personality disorder rather than a mental illness.

The only time I heard official outrage was when Bernie Sanders did it way back in 2016.

Mental health patients to Bernie Sanders: Don’t compare us to the GOP candidates

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/07/mental-health-patients-to-bernie-sanders-dont-compare-us-to-the-gop-candidates/

What is odd about that is Sanders was my candidate for both primaries but he didn't do anything different than what I have heard the past 4 years.

[Ms. Toad]

104. You are correct - that is pretty common on DU, as well.

I comment on it on DU (and should have included it in my list of characteristics used as derrogatory).

I have to admit, though, that it is the characteristic I struggle with a lot personally. Most of the time I catch myself before I utter the phrase, "that's crazy" or "that's insane," but it's still a conscious effort to catch mysef - rather than automatic the way it is with pretty much everything else.

[Girard442]

34. It's times like this, you have to ask yourself:

What Would Donnie Do?

[renate]

54. This is probably the best response, IMHO

Good point. I guess that’s the key difference between making fun of regular people wearing diapers and drinking water with both hands, and making fun of HIM.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. People mock him for being fat all the time.

Apparently some forms of shaming are fine here. :/

[Ms. Toad]

38. Thank you. I have worn diapers for a medical condition, as well.

Essentially, I was bleeding to death (literally), and the doctors were arguing over whether I was exaggerating the regular loss of 8 cups of blood in a 3-day period. The doctors were testing me for bone marrow cancer because I was bleeding so much there was no evidence I was producing new red blood cells. Simultaneously, they were running heart tests because the chronic blood loss and resulting anemia were causing heart palpitations.

Meanwhile, I needed to be able to go more than 10 feet from the bathrooom, and to sleep without destroying the mattress. (Submucosal uterine fibroids case nearly uncontrolled bleeding - even when they are so small as to be nearly undetectable.). I figured diapers would do the trick - and they were close to life-savers.

Yeah. Ha-ha. It's so funny.

I really wish we would stop using appearance, disabilities, gender, gender identity, and sexual orientation as weapons against those we despise. You can't weaponize a characteristic without implying the characteristic itself is bad - as those of us who fall into the battering ram categories keep saying.

[LiberalLoner]

63. +1 I agree.

[Tarc]

39. Too fucking bad. The wingnuts hold this fascist up as a paragon of leadership & masculinity

Taking him down a peg, pointing out his issues with being a balding, diaper-wearing, unintelligent, petulant, lardass, it's all fair game.

[Yonnie3]

42. I have avoided using this particular hashtag

I delight in almost all the other hashtags that piss him off, but this was too much.

Mockery of a medical issue that affects many is a step too far for me.

[womanofthehills]

140. It's probably only a medical issue because the drug of his choice -Adderall has a side effect -

Diarrhea. People on forums are saying their regular dose causes diarrhea - can you imagine the explosions from taking large ants like Trump must do.

[SlogginThroughIt]

46. Do I go around shaming people? No.

But here is a guy who makes the claims that he is the beat. Most handsome. In the health of any human being. Blah blah blah. None of us would mock a normal person who doesn’t shit all over everyone else while claiming to be the beat of everything in every facet of his life only to be revealed that he isn’t.

No sorry. I won’t shame anyone for mocking him.

[vercetti2021]

49. I wouldn't shame anyone with a diaper for medical reasons

But Trump is beyond scum and deserves to get roasted at every corner

[Mike Nelson]

51. I am conflicted...

... I don't mock Crooked Donald in this area, but I do understand why people do...

One of my co-workers had colon cancer and wears something like a Depends. He's very open about it ("the bag&quot and says teaching and watching his son grow up is so much more important. Interacting with him, post-recovery, is no different for any of us... he's a great guy and we're happy to have him around! That's the difference, I guess...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. Yes, know it is sometimes needed medically, but tRump BEHAVES like a baby in diapers. . . nt

[AnotherMother4Peace]

55. Trump's diapers are funny because he's a fraud & a horrible human being & he

can't be the fittest, most healthy, strongest, smartest, greatest human being alive if he's incontinent and wears diapers. Making fun of people with disabilities might come back to bite him in the butt if he demonstrates physical/medical needs.

Many of us older folk are incontinent. Hell, it happens if you live long enough. Having babies, men issues, women issues - it happens. Trump "likes people who aren't" incontinent. - Well buddy, you are obese and wear diapers, big diapers, and it's funny as hell.

[BlueTsunami2018]

59. It's because he's a baby, not because he's incontinent.

And it clearly bothers him. Can’t we have any fun?

[Old Terp]

106. He's mixed up his gut with his brain, and I agree that he did.

What his decisions are based on is not well thought out plans from his brain, but the ultimate output from his gut.

[LAS14]

107. Right. See post 16. I find this whole thread strange. nt

[treestar]

123. That's a good way to look at it

He acts like a baby/toddler, so it could refer to that.

I don't think we know for sure he wears adult ones.

[greenjar_01]

60. Agreed. It's ableist as fuck.

[hotdamn00]

61. Healthiest President Ever

Hey, that's what the man said. Not off-base.

[Soxderrube]

64. In the words of----

Charlie Brown, " GOOD GRIEF"

[rocktivity]

66. Trump could "dump" the diapers garbage himself

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simply by either denying that he wears them and moving on, or admitting it and taking ownership of it on behalf of everyone else who has to (and of course, should absolutely not be ridiculed for). Turning it into an accusation that Twitter has committed a security breach, not so much.


rocktivity

[LeftInTX]

150. Trump is pissed at Twitter because they are fact checking him

Left and right and putting disclaimers on his posts.

He went on a tirade after the appeals court dismissed his case.
I doubt that the diaper stuff is bothering him

He probably doesn't read responses to his tweets.

[IsItJustMe]

68. I thought it was a metephore.

But now that I read these threads, who knows. Regardless, if the metaphore fits, wear it.

[LAS14]

111. Me too. See my post #16. nt

[IsItJustMe]

141. Well, the truth of the matter is that he does act like a spoiled brat.

Spoiled brats to me, anyway, and I guess to most people are like babies because they are acting immature. Therefore the metaphor. I think this is why people relate to him as wearing a diaper.

[tiredtoo]

69. As an occasional Depends wearer

It does not bother me to belittle the orange bum by calling him #DiaperDon. Also my first girlfriend was named Karen, she was a blonde and a beauty.

[paleotn]

70. Normally, you are correct.

And for regular folks, I'm with you 100%. But Donnie is far from normal. He brings this stuff on himself and richly deserves all the ridicule we can heap on him no matter where it comes from.

[Escurumbele]

71. As long as it gets in his head I don't have a problem with it.

Your friend's condition was caused by cancer, the condition of the buffoon was caused by addiction to a certain drug. Your friend is victim of an illness, the buffoon is not a victim.

I sympathize with your comment, but to tell you the truth, I don't care what people say about this garbage of a man, and if they want to have fun because of whatever condition he may have, then have at it.

At this time he is busy thinking of ways on how to screw us all, the mother fucker is a traitor, why should we have any pity on him? Nope, fuck him!

I don't like to use bad words, so my apologies, and even though I feel like redacting what I wrote, nope...not for that buffoon.

[NurseJackie]

74. Meh. We're ridiculing Trump, not your friend.

Edit: I too am at the age where I wear Poise for bladder issues. It doesn't offend me when Trump is ridiculed.

[thesquanderer]

75. I understand, but there is a benefit to the story...

...which is it probably drives Trump crazy.

[Voltaire2]

76. I was wondering how the scold would be framed.

Well done!

But after considering the situation,


#diaperdon brightened my morning.

[Ferrets are Cool]

77. I would never make fun of your friend. But, I will make fun of this fucking monster

every chance I get. FUCK HIM and his criminal family.

[birdographer]

80. This is human nature

trump is a threat to our fellow humans and a threat to our country. It's our nature to do everything we can to remove him from society. Apes do it, lions do it, it's a natural response to want the threat to leave the tribe. Shunning won't work in this case, we can't just kill him, the best we can do is use everything we have to get him to want to leave, to push him out. Ridicule is just one more way. It's too bad that "we don't like you, go somewhere else" will not work with this fool.

[wryter2000]

81. I'm not in love with that, either

But I think people believe he brought it on himself via drug use.

[BadGimp]

82. My brother just went through the same kind of experience.

Liver Cancer necessitated surgery. The Doc kind "botched" the surgery a bit and that caused all manner of issues for my brother. He's recovered to his satisfaction. And the Cancer has is not even detectable any longer.

That said, I have not been able to stop with the #DiaperDon jokes and memes. Whether I can or not kinda depends.

[shields up]

[Hermit-The-Prog]

83. It annoys #DirtyDiaperDonald. I can't think of another person I would taunt in such a manner.

Other people wear colored combovers and bad makeup; it's their choice and does not hurt or hinder me. Deadbrain Donald, on the other hand, mocks people for their choices, appearance, disabilities, intelligence, race, country of origin, gender, and religion. This indicates he is insecure about himself in all of these areas. He deserves a societal mirror held up to his vile behavior and intolerance.

Your OP is a good side effect -- it generates discussion that cautions against becoming the monster we mock.

[demigoddess]

89. I bet your friend is a nice guy who handles the problem himself. But when I heard that

drumpf made someone who worked at the Apprentice clean Donald when he went poopoo. Only babies expect someone to clean them up. Donald couldn't even manage that.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

93. There's plenty of horrible things to demean tRump about without this being and issue...

and there's not proof it's true other than hearsay. We should ask ourselves: If we knew Joe or a potential highly qualified cabinet nominee had to wear these, would we be as critical?

Just remember when we express slights over such things, it could come back to bite us in the arse.....

We have a catalog of something like 40,000 lies and deceptions that need to be exposed on social and public media and/or billboards that can be used to diminish public trust in the GOP.

For example, just saw this one today......

Link to tweet

[Chemisse]

96. I totally agree.

It's not the wearing of diapers that makes Trump so horrific.

And yes, he deserves every mean comment that can be thrown at him, and so much more.

But other people who have incontinence don't deserve to hear how disgusting and ludicrous that a diaper-wearing adult is to you. Just as other people who are fat don't need to hear how vile you find fatness.

[orangecrush]

103. Oh God.

[soldierant]

105. It isn't really the diapers.

It's the fact that he has had nuclear-level incontinence since the nineties, and that he did it to himself through his lifestyle choices (including Adderal and cocaine, both of which are or can be, according to a former employee, laxative in effect.) And that he thinks no one should mention it because he's somehow "above it all." Not to mention the odor, which is also disproportionately powerful (again, according to present and former associates.)

[Old Terp]

108. It's that the contents are a metaphor for all that is Trump.

[orangecrush]

120. Agree 100%

[soldierant]

157. Yes, that too.

[LeftInTX]

153. Adderall is not a laxative..lol

I've been on it for 30 years!!

That's just bullshit!

Good grief!!

Just because a former employee says it's a laxative doesn't make it true!

[soldierant]

158. Neither is cocaine

and he didn't say it was a laxative, ihe said that the combination of those two and other drugs and other lifestyle habits combined had done a number on his bowels and there was a laxative effect.

For all I know, he also may have lactose intolerance. Now that does have a laxative effect all by itself.

But the root was the failure to pay any attention to his own health.

[Catherine Vincent]

110. Nursing homes refer to them as briefs

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Before my dad died in August, he had to wear briefs due to his bladder cancer. He didn't like it but he knew it was necessary.

I never joked about Trump wearing them but if others want to, it wouldn't bother me. I know it's just about Trump because he's an asshole.

[Raine]

112. Agree

I don't find it one bit funny!

[PatrickforO]

114. Yeah, we have cared for an incontinent older person in our house.

It is no joke.

Trump is gross, but we can all do without the diaper jokes. Seriously.

[warmfeet]

116. I do not agree.

Wearing diapers is not the crux of our contention with this person.

Ban me from this website if you must. Your argument is complete bullshit.

And, you know what, he fucking wears diapers. Ha, fucking, Ha! Your argument is a load of shit. Don't fucking ban me, I fucking leave on my own.

I have had to wear diapers. Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jon King]

117. Totally disagree with this thread....

Its is not about diapers, its about using every single bit of information to try and break even a few additional people away from the cult of the new Hitler. If putting it out there makes even one of his followers think he is 'unmanly' or whatever, thats good for the entire world. We are fighting true evil, whatever it takes.

So when a regular person is forced to wear diapers, its a medical issue and should never be teased. But when it can be used against Trump to make him less of a superman like his followers think he is, no problem.

2 completely different things.

[orangecrush]

122. The Trump blimp

Has him with a diaper.

It is a statement about his arrested emotional development.

It had nothing to do with incontinence.

[smirkymonkey]

137. Another good point.

Just chipping away at the invincible macho-man image one insult at a time. As far as Trump is concerned, anything is fair game.

[McKim]

118. I Agree

I agree, this is regrettable. This is the president of the US, though I and you all don't like that, but this is damaging to basic dignity and respect and it is a low blow. Same for Rudy's hair dye.
People in public life deserve a little dignity, no matter!!! This kind of dig should be beneath the dignity of Democratic Underground.

[Mopar151]

119. Ted Nugent issues

Sometimes, I scream so loud on stage I shit my pants!"

[Illumination]

125. No sympathy for a murder-in-chief forever linked to well over 250,000 deaths & he doesn't give

a SHIT! He needs to go back to hell where he came from!..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... .....

[occupant]

126. 42,000 plus posts in

42,000 + posts in and you think you should tell DUers what we can and cannot say? Come on, man ! We all have wishes, and we are wishing any and all kinds of evil on the AntiChrist ! tRump is the devil and we are giving the devil his due. It has nothing to do with your friend. Now if ya just wanted to stir the pot for some action, well ya did that, but we still live in a Democracy and that First amendment thing about free speech and all is gonna happen .Personally, if I could, I would rip off that dirty diaper and shove it down his fucking throat. See that wasn't so bad. Nothing nearly as bad as the devil himself has done...

[judesedit]

127. Well, I think people feel it's ok to make fun of him for that like he made fun of the reporter that

has a disability or the fact that Biden stuttered when he was a child, things like that. Two wrongs don't make a right, no, but the utter grossness of Drumpf's demeanor, his piggishness in all things, his total disregard of the plight of the majority of this country, unless they kowtow to him, his imagined superiority complex, his utter rudeness and ignorance, practically begs for retaliation from those suffering from his neglect and constant ridicule. He did this to himself 1000%. It's unacceptible for other persons to be made fun of for incontinence, absolutely yes, but that poor excuse of a human being deserves exactly what he's getting.

[blueinredohio]

128. My parents had to both end up wearing depends.

My dad didn't realize it because he had dementia. My mom would just laugh and say you never think its going to happen to you. But it does. Wait until you get my age.

[Grokenstein]

130. Hide your hashtags! The Fun Police are making their semi-daily raid!

No fun for you!

[Boomer]

131. I always assumed it was a metaphor

Baby behavior = diaper wearing

Apparently, according to this thread, I've missed the true context. If that's the case, I'd have to agree that this ridicule is not justified.

[Dirty Socialist]

132. I gotta say this though

That is one YUGE diaper! The biggest BY A LOT!

[twodogsbarking]

133. Would it be ok if

we said he should wear a diaper over his head because of all the shit that comes out of his mouth?

[scrabblequeen40]

136. It's not about YOU.

It's about TRUMP. Full Stop. The language of derison is the only one Trump understands.

If you choose to make it about you, that's on you.

[highplainsdem]

143. When the diapers are being worn by an infinitely vain malignant narcissist who has his doctors

lie about his health, who retweets memes showing him as a superhero, and whose campaign and allies endlessly ridiculed Biden as demented and needing to be in a nursing home, jokes and tweets about them are perfectly fair and in fact have been earned.

The same thing is true of jokes about his hair, or lack of hair.

[LisaL]

144. And he claims to be a perfect human specimen to boot.

NT

[Owl]

169. +1

[budkin]

151. Nah, I'll keep making fun of him thanks

Because he deserves it.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

156. OK Boomer! (oh wait, that's MEEE toooo!) N/t

[Initech]

162. Well there is this...

Link to tweet

[cwydro]

167. It's juvenile.

There seems to be some here who are endlessly amused by anything to do with bodily functions or sex. The middle school contingent is very vocal.

[Orrex]

173. He should be mocked for any subject about which he is hypocritical

[pwb]

175. Trump deserves it.

He would do it to anyone else.

[GoneOffShore]

190. pmurT deserves it. No if's, and's, or but's. Plus it deflates his image among his cultists.