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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBut...you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable and humiliating.
My sister posted this on FB. So for anyone who claims covid is a hoax, they might need to read this.
Also, the amount of medical personnel needed to take care of just one person goes a long way towards explaining why there are not enough of them and also why they're exhausted.
Posted by a nurse who works with ventilators:
These are her comments:
For starters, it is NOT an oxygen mask that is put over the mouth while the patient comfortably lies down and reads journals.
Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.
It is done during anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube deposited from your mouth up to the air pipe and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine.
The patient can't talk or eat or do anything natural - the machine keeps you alive. Discomfort and pain they feel from this mean that medical experts must administer sedatives and pain meds to ensure pipe tolerance as long as the machine is needed.
It's like being in an artificial coma. After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass and gets trauma in the mouth or voice cords, as well as possible lung or heart complications.
It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't stand treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat...so stay safe if you don't want to take the chance to end up here. This is NOT the flu!
They put a tube in your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect diarrhea, one to collect urine, an IV for liquids and meds...an A-line to monitor your BP it is completely dependent on finely calculated with doses, teams of nurses, CRNA, and MA to move your limbs every two hours and lie on a carpet circulating ice-cold liquid to help reduce your 104° degree temp.
All of this while your loved ones cannot even come to visit. You will be alone in a room with your machine. Or your mother will. Or your father. Or your son or daughter. Or wife or husband.
But...you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable and humiliating.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,591 posts)For visibility.
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)They had this doctor in full PPE mask, googles showing the last thing you see when being incubated, the tube and light getting ready to insert down your throat. It looked friggin scary.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)I have been screaming that people need to see it on tv every day. Otherwise, they think it's made up.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)more people need to witness the procedure...
so many are so thick skulled that they can't imagine until they experience
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Following bypass surgery.
Lungs were too weak and I contracted pneumonia.
Intubated for 6 days.
Terrifying experience.
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Fortunately I had good insurance and excellent care.
Boomer
(4,168 posts)I was intubated for five days after open heart surgery for an aortic replacement. When I woke up my first thoughts were that survival wasn't worth this. After a few days I felt differently, but the whole experience was... Rough. I'm not sure I'd be willing o go through that again.
orangecrush
(19,537 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)bringthePaine
(1,728 posts)Larissa
(790 posts). . . toting long guns in protest against lock-downs, I just wonder how brave they'd be as a catheter is snaked up their penis/urethra in order to collect urine during treatment for Covid-19.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)any kind of a shot because they're afraid of needles.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)It's called a Foley catheter. It was invented in a torture chamber. What they do, is shove about a foot of hose up the end of your dick and hook it to a plastic bag to collect your urine.
If you have no dick, they have an equally painful place to shove the hose but it's about three inches shorter. I've been in the Army. I've taken group showers with grown men. I know what Republican penises look like. Trust me on this: three inches and no more. There's a reason the Vienna Sausage is the new emblem of the GOP.
So let me see...wear a little rag over your face and stand six feet from people you don't know, or lay in a hospital bed on an ice-cold bag of water for a month with a hose stuck in your throat, one in your nose, two or three sticking out of your arms, a needle in your crotch because you only have two arms, a hose in your dick and another one shoved up your ass. They don't put PBR in your feeding tube. Oh yeah: they have you so zonked out of your fucking mind on all these weird drugs you can't watch Fox News, and they won't let you wear your MAGA hat because it's contaminated.
Suddenly masks don't look so bad, now do they?
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,164 posts)louis-t
(23,292 posts)Delmette2.0
(4,164 posts)Thanks for the reminder.
AZ8theist
(5,456 posts)Perhaps I'm being nostalgic...PBR was pretty big in the 70s.
"Reingold" was as well. Don't see that anymore. My father used to drink that all the time.
Delmette2.0
(4,164 posts)Made in Montana. I don't know if it is even brewed any more.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)which is why I was so shocked to see this:
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/11/19/21575415/coronavirus-ogden-man-plays-violin-for-icu-caregivers-while-intubated-with-covid-19
My understanding was that the sedatives and pain meds that were necessary would have rendered this kind of activity impossible.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)Ive added DO NOT INTUBATE to my advanced directive. Palliative care only. Fill me with morphine, stick me in a corner, let me go.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)when they were intubating anyone with a low SaO2. My lungs sounded like crap on a cracker but they didn't feel as bad as they sounded, so I just stayed home for the duration, didn't answer the door, just sat at the computer and coughed or tried to get a little sleep and woke up coughing.
I still say the worst part was the headache. You couldn't see it but there was an axe sticking out of the right side of my forehead.
you survived this Warpy.
Boomer
(4,168 posts)Been there, done that. I'm not sure I'm willing to go thru an intubation again. I'm pretty beat up now, and just managing to get by, and another experience like that would leave me even more debilitated.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I really dont want to be in the hospital for this shit.
llashram
(6,265 posts)and to think many think this is all made up...I'm over 70 and probably history if I end up like this...I think of all people probably went through to stay alive and to end up like this because a clown posing as the president told them not to worry. So very, very sad.
I also noticed my vice-President-elect wore two masks in one of the OP's here when she visited that meal place. I am doing the same thing now since I KNOW she knows more than I do.
wnylib
(21,432 posts)I have seen too many people going maskless in public to count on a single mask. Cases are rising quickly here in western NY and my local 7/11 seems determined to help it spread, so I have stopped going to the one closest to me.
ALL the employees there, on ALL shifts, leave their noses uncovered. Customers buy take-out food and drinks, remove their masks, and walk through the store eating and drinking while browsing and chatting with each other. They stand in line in groups that make distancing impossible, while sipping their drinks or eating pizza. There is a plexiglass barrier at the register, but it hangs from the ceiling with a one foot gap at the counter, and is never wiped clean, let alone sanitized. One clerk pulls her mask down to talk to people through the gap.
Last time I was there, I asked a clerk about their policy when people remove masks in the store. A customer with her mask around her neck overheard me and started making comments about whether I meant her. To avoid an argument and get out as soon as possible, I didn't answer. So, she kept making comments in a loud, belligerent tone. Another clerk came to the counter, greeted her by name, and asked if she was "making trouble" while laughing like it was all a big joke. The customer told me, "The corona is just the flu and no worse than that." I paid and left. Have not been back since.
llashram
(6,265 posts)how self-destructive people are. Stay well...
wnylib
(21,432 posts)that's their business. When their behavior is a threat to me, then it's my business. They need a visit from the county health department. They are in violation of several covid regulations.
and accountability is the keyword. Their selfish narcissistic manner, I use that term loosely here, is a life-threatening action. All in their sphere, any place, are vulnerable. Their potus told them to act in that manner with no regard for others.
No unity, no healing, no moving on because they at to insistence of their potus just like all the white militia-terrorist groups must follow the law and/or human responsibility to others in not spreading viruses and hate. County health department backed up by law officers since they have shown a propensity toward violence. They do need a visit. Or at least cite them with a court date to explain why they hate so deeply that they would endanger others so obviously.
wnylib
(21,432 posts)and repeated disregard for public health safety after that could get them shut down.
VA_Jill
(9,965 posts)if I copy/ paste this to my FB feed? I have worked in ICU, although I retired from active nursing in 2012 and would not go back now for any amount of money.It says so eloquently what nurses are going through and how much work just ONE of these patients is. Normal patient:nusrse ratio in ICU is 2:1 or if it's really busy, 3:1. I can't imagine caring for 3 of these patients.
trueblue2007
(17,205 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)Ilsa
(61,694 posts)on letting this happen to the person you love most in the world.
spooky3
(34,439 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)Your hands will be tied to the bedframe so if the drugs wear a little thin, you can't move to scratch an itch or rub something that hurts because patients tend to dislodge tubes or wires when they do that.
Just keeping still in one position for 2 hours can be pure agony. That's likely what happened overnight when you wake up with a crick in your neck or some other cramp that takes a day or two to go away.
The machine doesn't just help you breathe, it actively forces air into you at pressure. As how a balloon feels being blown up.
Everything done to you hurts. Everything done has potential long term consequences, from muscle mass loss to decreased kidney function to decreased bone density to mechanical problems like foot drop that will make if very hard to walk.
So stay the fuck home. Do NOT think anyone else is safe. If you must go out, wear a damn mask and wear it correctly. Wash your hands when you get home. Hope a vaccine comes out soon so you don't have to worry about anything on this list.
liberalla
(9,238 posts)I've never seen a description like this. There are people I will share this with... I hope that's OK.
It's important info. Thank you.
DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)Perfect description of hell on earth for the patient and the mass of caregivers...........
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)It's the same reason they make fun of people who insist on eye protection or hearing protection or a fall arrestor rope or a seat belt on a tractor. They think such precautions make them appear weak and that's worse than death -- at least until death is imminent.
MyMission
(1,849 posts)Is what many non maskers believe, unless they believe it's a hoax.
I've heard stories of numerous people with Covid in hospitals, near death, saying they didn't believe it existed or that it would make them so ill.
This post helps to reinforce why we shouldn't let our guard down, those of us who take this seriously. Doubtful it will convince many maskholes to get with the program. They think it won't happen to them