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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:29 PM Nov 2020

But...you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable and humiliating.

My sister posted this on FB. So for anyone who claims covid is a hoax, they might need to read this.
Also, the amount of medical personnel needed to take care of just one person goes a long way towards explaining why there are not enough of them and also why they're exhausted.

Posted by a nurse who works with ventilators:
These are her comments:

For people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance to go out to a movie, have a drink in a bar, go to an arena or back to work.........

For starters, it is NOT an oxygen mask that is put over the mouth while the patient comfortably lies down and reads journals.

Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done during anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube deposited from your mouth up to the air pipe and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine.

The patient can't talk or eat or do anything natural - the machine keeps you alive. Discomfort and pain they feel from this mean that medical experts must administer sedatives and pain meds to ensure pipe tolerance as long as the machine is needed.

It's like being in an artificial coma. After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass and gets trauma in the mouth or voice cords, as well as possible lung or heart complications.
It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't stand treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat...so stay safe if you don't want to take the chance to end up here. This is NOT the flu!

They put a tube in your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect diarrhea, one to collect urine, an IV for liquids and meds...an A-line to monitor your BP it is completely dependent on finely calculated with doses, teams of nurses, CRNA, and MA to move your limbs every two hours and lie on a carpet circulating ice-cold liquid to help reduce your 104° degree temp.

All of this while your loved ones cannot even come to visit. You will be alone in a room with your machine. Or your mother will. Or your father. Or your son or daughter. Or wife or husband.

But...you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable and humiliating.
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But...you think wearing a mask is uncomfortable and humiliating. (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2020 OP
K&R MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #1
Last night on the news kimbutgar Nov 2020 #2
The media should have done this from the beginning. louis-t Nov 2020 #19
K&R handmade34 Nov 2020 #3
Been there bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #4
I'm glad you're here and I shudder at the thought. nt babylonsister Nov 2020 #5
Thanks bluecollar2 Nov 2020 #17
Same here Boomer Nov 2020 #42
... orangecrush Nov 2020 #6
Horrifying Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #7
why the fuck is this critical knowledge so deeply hidden from the public? stuff would change... bringthePaine Nov 2020 #8
The big guys that came to the Michigan courthouse Larissa Nov 2020 #9
Hell, I'm going to venture that they don't ever get PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #10
Oh yeah...the tube to collect urine? jmowreader Nov 2020 #11
I think you've got it! nt babylonsister Nov 2020 #13
Just have to ask, what is PBR? Delmette2.0 Nov 2020 #18
Why, Pabst Blue Ribbon of course. louis-t Nov 2020 #20
OMG I haven't heard or seen that in years! Delmette2.0 Nov 2020 #22
I think it actually tastes better now than in the past... AZ8theist Nov 2020 #33
In my part of the country my Dad liked Great Falls Select. Delmette2.0 Nov 2020 #39
That matches my understanding (and most of the images I've seen) - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #12
I don't think they even give a fuck. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #14
This is why central scrutinizer Nov 2020 #15
This is why I didn't get tested in March Warpy Nov 2020 #31
So glad Delphinus Nov 2020 #36
I'm considering that Boomer Nov 2020 #43
This is why I'm now wearing a full face automotive painting/gas mask into stores now. roamer65 Nov 2020 #16
wow llashram Nov 2020 #21
I started double masking a few weeks ago. wnylib Nov 2020 #23
it's amazing just llashram Nov 2020 #32
If they want to be self-destructive, wnylib Nov 2020 #35
yep llashram Nov 2020 #40
Here in NY, they could face a fine wnylib Nov 2020 #41
Will she mind VA_Jill Nov 2020 #24
I POSTED IT TO MINE ALSO trueblue2007 Nov 2020 #27
She just posted it; I borrowed it, so sure, go ahead. nt babylonsister Nov 2020 #28
As Rachel reminded us, don't take a chance Ilsa Nov 2020 #25
Thank you again to all the heroic health care workers. Nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #26
She forgot a few good ones Warpy Nov 2020 #29
WOW. Explains exactly what being intubated and on a ventilator is like. liberalla Nov 2020 #30
BRAVO DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #34
It's not that it's "uncomfortable and humiliating"; they feel embarassed for being 'a sissy'. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #37
It won't happen to me MyMission Nov 2020 #38

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
2. Last night on the news
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:35 PM
Nov 2020

They had this doctor in full PPE mask, googles showing the last thing you see when being incubated, the tube and light getting ready to insert down your throat. It looked friggin scary.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
19. The media should have done this from the beginning.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:27 PM
Nov 2020

I have been screaming that people need to see it on tv every day. Otherwise, they think it's made up.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
3. K&R
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:37 PM
Nov 2020

more people need to witness the procedure...

so many are so thick skulled that they can't imagine until they experience

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
4. Been there
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:00 PM
Nov 2020

Following bypass surgery.

Lungs were too weak and I contracted pneumonia.

Intubated for 6 days.

Terrifying experience.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
42. Same here
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 08:12 PM
Nov 2020

I was intubated for five days after open heart surgery for an aortic replacement. When I woke up my first thoughts were that survival wasn't worth this. After a few days I felt differently, but the whole experience was... Rough. I'm not sure I'd be willing o go through that again.

Larissa

(790 posts)
9. The big guys that came to the Michigan courthouse
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:13 PM
Nov 2020

. . . toting long guns in protest against lock-downs, I just wonder how brave they'd be as a catheter is snaked up their penis/urethra in order to collect urine during treatment for Covid-19.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
10. Hell, I'm going to venture that they don't ever get
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:27 PM
Nov 2020

any kind of a shot because they're afraid of needles.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
11. Oh yeah...the tube to collect urine?
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:29 PM
Nov 2020

It's called a Foley catheter. It was invented in a torture chamber. What they do, is shove about a foot of hose up the end of your dick and hook it to a plastic bag to collect your urine.

If you have no dick, they have an equally painful place to shove the hose but it's about three inches shorter. I've been in the Army. I've taken group showers with grown men. I know what Republican penises look like. Trust me on this: three inches and no more. There's a reason the Vienna Sausage is the new emblem of the GOP.

So let me see...wear a little rag over your face and stand six feet from people you don't know, or lay in a hospital bed on an ice-cold bag of water for a month with a hose stuck in your throat, one in your nose, two or three sticking out of your arms, a needle in your crotch because you only have two arms, a hose in your dick and another one shoved up your ass. They don't put PBR in your feeding tube. Oh yeah: they have you so zonked out of your fucking mind on all these weird drugs you can't watch Fox News, and they won't let you wear your MAGA hat because it's contaminated.

Suddenly masks don't look so bad, now do they?

AZ8theist

(5,456 posts)
33. I think it actually tastes better now than in the past...
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:50 PM
Nov 2020

Perhaps I'm being nostalgic...PBR was pretty big in the 70s.

"Reingold" was as well. Don't see that anymore. My father used to drink that all the time.

Delmette2.0

(4,164 posts)
39. In my part of the country my Dad liked Great Falls Select.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:29 PM
Nov 2020

Made in Montana. I don't know if it is even brewed any more.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
12. That matches my understanding (and most of the images I've seen) -
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 11:31 PM
Nov 2020

which is why I was so shocked to see this:

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/11/19/21575415/coronavirus-ogden-man-plays-violin-for-icu-caregivers-while-intubated-with-covid-19

My understanding was that the sedatives and pain meds that were necessary would have rendered this kind of activity impossible.

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
15. This is why
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:26 AM
Nov 2020

I’ve added “DO NOT INTUBATE” to my advanced directive. Palliative care only. Fill me with morphine, stick me in a corner, let me go.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
31. This is why I didn't get tested in March
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:15 PM
Nov 2020

when they were intubating anyone with a low SaO2. My lungs sounded like crap on a cracker but they didn't feel as bad as they sounded, so I just stayed home for the duration, didn't answer the door, just sat at the computer and coughed or tried to get a little sleep and woke up coughing.

I still say the worst part was the headache. You couldn't see it but there was an axe sticking out of the right side of my forehead.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
43. I'm considering that
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 08:18 PM
Nov 2020

Been there, done that. I'm not sure I'm willing to go thru an intubation again. I'm pretty beat up now, and just managing to get by, and another experience like that would leave me even more debilitated.


roamer65

(36,745 posts)
16. This is why I'm now wearing a full face automotive painting/gas mask into stores now.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:47 AM
Nov 2020

I really don’t want to be in the hospital for this shit.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
21. wow
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:47 PM
Nov 2020

and to think many think this is all made up...I'm over 70 and probably history if I end up like this...I think of all people probably went through to stay alive and to end up like this because a clown posing as the president told them not to worry. So very, very sad.

I also noticed my vice-President-elect wore two masks in one of the OP's here when she visited that meal place. I am doing the same thing now since I KNOW she knows more than I do.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
23. I started double masking a few weeks ago.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:16 PM
Nov 2020

I have seen too many people going maskless in public to count on a single mask. Cases are rising quickly here in western NY and my local 7/11 seems determined to help it spread, so I have stopped going to the one closest to me.

ALL the employees there, on ALL shifts, leave their noses uncovered. Customers buy take-out food and drinks, remove their masks, and walk through the store eating and drinking while browsing and chatting with each other. They stand in line in groups that make distancing impossible, while sipping their drinks or eating pizza. There is a plexiglass barrier at the register, but it hangs from the ceiling with a one foot gap at the counter, and is never wiped clean, let alone sanitized. One clerk pulls her mask down to talk to people through the gap.

Last time I was there, I asked a clerk about their policy when people remove masks in the store. A customer with her mask around her neck overheard me and started making comments about whether I meant her. To avoid an argument and get out as soon as possible, I didn't answer. So, she kept making comments in a loud, belligerent tone. Another clerk came to the counter, greeted her by name, and asked if she was "making trouble" while laughing like it was all a big joke. The customer told me, "The corona is just the flu and no worse than that." I paid and left. Have not been back since.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
35. If they want to be self-destructive,
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

that's their business. When their behavior is a threat to me, then it's my business. They need a visit from the county health department. They are in violation of several covid regulations.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
40. yep
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:29 AM
Nov 2020

and accountability is the keyword. Their selfish narcissistic manner, I use that term loosely here, is a life-threatening action. All in their sphere, any place, are vulnerable. Their potus told them to act in that manner with no regard for others.

No unity, no healing, no moving on because they at to insistence of their potus just like all the white militia-terrorist groups must follow the law and/or human responsibility to others in not spreading viruses and hate. County health department backed up by law officers since they have shown a propensity toward violence. They do need a visit. Or at least cite them with a court date to explain why they hate so deeply that they would endanger others so obviously.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
41. Here in NY, they could face a fine
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:08 AM
Nov 2020

and repeated disregard for public health safety after that could get them shut down.

VA_Jill

(9,965 posts)
24. Will she mind
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:17 PM
Nov 2020

if I copy/ paste this to my FB feed? I have worked in ICU, although I retired from active nursing in 2012 and would not go back now for any amount of money.It says so eloquently what nurses are going through and how much work just ONE of these patients is. Normal patient:nusrse ratio in ICU is 2:1 or if it's really busy, 3:1. I can't imagine caring for 3 of these patients.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
25. As Rachel reminded us, don't take a chance
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:44 PM
Nov 2020

on letting this happen to the person you love most in the world.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
29. She forgot a few good ones
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:05 PM
Nov 2020

Your hands will be tied to the bedframe so if the drugs wear a little thin, you can't move to scratch an itch or rub something that hurts because patients tend to dislodge tubes or wires when they do that.

Just keeping still in one position for 2 hours can be pure agony. That's likely what happened overnight when you wake up with a crick in your neck or some other cramp that takes a day or two to go away.

The machine doesn't just help you breathe, it actively forces air into you at pressure. As how a balloon feels being blown up.

Everything done to you hurts. Everything done has potential long term consequences, from muscle mass loss to decreased kidney function to decreased bone density to mechanical problems like foot drop that will make if very hard to walk.

So stay the fuck home. Do NOT think anyone else is safe. If you must go out, wear a damn mask and wear it correctly. Wash your hands when you get home. Hope a vaccine comes out soon so you don't have to worry about anything on this list.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
30. WOW. Explains exactly what being intubated and on a ventilator is like.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:06 PM
Nov 2020

I've never seen a description like this. There are people I will share this with... I hope that's OK.

It's important info. Thank you.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
37. It's not that it's "uncomfortable and humiliating"; they feel embarassed for being 'a sissy'.
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:22 PM
Nov 2020

It's the same reason they make fun of people who insist on eye protection or hearing protection or a fall arrestor rope or a seat belt on a tractor. They think such precautions make them appear weak and that's worse than death -- at least until death is imminent.

MyMission

(1,849 posts)
38. It won't happen to me
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 08:25 PM
Nov 2020

Is what many non maskers believe, unless they believe it's a hoax.
I've heard stories of numerous people with Covid in hospitals, near death, saying they didn't believe it existed or that it would make them so ill.

This post helps to reinforce why we shouldn't let our guard down, those of us who take this seriously. Doubtful it will convince many maskholes to get with the program. They think it won't happen to them

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