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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you think that Joe Biden should be brutally honest about the damage Trump has done to America?
Much of Joe Biden's work will be repairing the damage Trump left behind. I would hate for this to be portrayed by the right as just reversing what a former president did for the hell of it. Biden needs to take credit for repairing America.
I hope that early on, his Administration lists all the damage, the damage to relationships, the ripping up of treaties, the economic inequalities, the persecution of minorities, the damage to the environment, the corruption, the loss of leadership in the world, the misinformation, etc.
I believe that not pointing the finger at Trump would be a failure to acknowledge the truth and the scale of the job Joe Biden has to face. These are extraordinary times, and doing to Trump what we did to Bush Jnr (going easy on him and ignoring his war crimes) would be a big mistake.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... not do in the beginning of CV19 coming to America and got a lot of Americans killed
Squinch
(50,911 posts)I believe Joe's administration will responsibly deal with what Trump has done. I think there will be prosecutions. (There better be.) I think we will be informed about the slime that has gone on for 4 years under that slob.
But I think Joe personally has to take an FDR approach to this. Everything needs to be about problem solving, and every statement needs to be couched in a "here's what we're doing to fix it and here's what you can do to help" format.
We need a leader who is relentlessly positive.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)Have a lovely day.
yellowdogintexas
(22,231 posts)They are the ones who would prepare the data for him
Governors could present the harm done to the individual states, members of congress could use it too in their campaigns particularly if their opponent was part of the problem
A good example is Education Department using the new Secretary to illustrate the harm done to our education systems by CruellaDeVos
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)That will be obvious, and the media will likely fill in the background info on the acts he takes.
If he accentuates it, it only stiffens the divide. The Trumpers need to be gently lulled into accepting that Biden's way is good for the country.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)when they encounter and fix them.
procon
(15,805 posts)Damages Trump has done to every aspect of the country as he tried to enrich himself and cling to power.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)duforsure
(11,884 posts)And the more they keep from telling us, the more people will distrust our government, and will weaken our Democracy, which trump and Putin have taken advantage of , and used it to create divisions with. Justice too. If they let trump and all the others go unpunished , it'll undermine our sense equal justice for all, and lead to more mistrust of the the ones in power.
doc03
(35,295 posts)information and saying why.
former9thward
(31,936 posts)They don't need it.
doc03
(35,295 posts)security agencies don't want him to have access to national security information like all the other past presidents do. If they don't WTF were they talking about? They think he will give secrets to Putin and his other dictator friends
former9thward
(31,936 posts)No rumors from "sources".
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Didn't Jimmy Carter lead some peace envoys for example? I suspect that required access to classified information.
Also when accessing memoirs or addressing lawsuits/criminal proceedings, classified material might also be made available. That might be the dilemma of trying Trump for anything in the foreign policy or intelligence sphere.
In Trump's case I am sure he will be cut off by Biden by pulling all clearances like Trump did with Brennan. I would hope that the administration would also offer a list of reasons why Trump would be cut off - one that could embarrass Trump.
former9thward
(31,936 posts)If a current president wants to use an ex-president for some purpose then they will be given the info they need. But that is up to the current president.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)regularly. Whenever he visited the White House he would sit in on the President's Daily Briefing.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/when-he-leaves-office-can-ex-president-trump-be-trusted-n1248994
former9thward
(31,936 posts)They just don't stroll in. They have to be invited.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,231 posts)in an international situation
A good example is President Carter and election monitoring in foreign nations
Doc_Love_Butter
(4 posts)What we know now is only the tip of the iceberg. Keep digging and make it public.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Let them present all the all the facts and go from there.
Firestorm49
(4,029 posts)Biden should instruct the independent Justice Dept. to be as aggressive against Trump as was Barr while acting non-independently. We now need to let the country know in no uncertain terms that Democrats can be just as aggressive in our pursuit of corruption as Trump and his minions were in promoting corruption.
Let Biden do his job in rebuilding the damage to our reputation. Let the Justice Dept. carry one big stick. America needs to see first hand that crime has its consequences. That in itself would go a long way to restore the confidence and comfort that is so badly needed once the idiot is out of office.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)And hire vicious bulldogs to get the work done. There is no need to tell anything but the truth. He can stay positive.
While "henchmen" has a negative connotation, if I am honest, it's what I wish he would unleash on the evil we have deposed.
Baitball Blogger
(46,682 posts)Only the Republicans are getting their message out, we need balance in this country.
mucifer
(23,478 posts)other way at the former administration's atrocities. It's American as apple pie.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)and the rest of The Breakfast Club and he plainly said that Trump didnt do anything. He never passed any life changing bills or legislation. The only thing that he did was give tax cuts to billionaires and do executive orders to break stuff
NCDem47
(2,248 posts)I second the comments above that Biden will stay above the fray on Trump. He must project forward thinking and action---and that doesn't include Dumpster occupying any of his head space.
Now, others going after Trump? Yes. Sic 'em.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)We don't need a repeat of Trump's plan of "what ever Obama did, destroy it". I like his expression of "build back better". Whatever is wrong, and for whatever reason, fix it. Let the pundits argue about how it got to be wrong in the first place. Remember, 73+ million people voted for the jerk and if Biden wants to "bring us together", he can't be constantly saying "Look at the mess you created that I have to clean up". When I was a senior manager, the other managers would often want to do the whole "blame game" after a major or minor disaster. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of hindsight to figure out how it happened and how to prevent it from happening again. But at some point it just becomes a witch hunt. If one truly believes in the "team" concept, then finding blame is often a case of finding the person that we all ignored while they made a mistake. Are we to blame or them? It is the old corny expression that when one is pointing a finger, there are three more fingers pointing back at you. When success was achieved and awards were being handed out, it often was realized that the "disaster" while significant, wasn't the worst thing by far. More often than not, the disaster ended up being the event that made us ALL realize that we had to pay more attention.
Joe asked for the job. He needs to do the job. He doesn't need to complain about hard it is because of his predecessor. Success will expose the failures of the previous occupant.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is a cartoon with a messed up Oval Office and Biden standing there with a broom. Biden doesn't need to do that himself as Dump would.
gulliver
(13,168 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)The American people need to be told the truth in order to counter-balance the massive volume of lies. Some of the best examples are lies about migrants and refugees and the huge dishonesty about their 2017 tax bill.
Truth is sorely need to restore America's confidence in Government. Do it for our youth.
These truths can be metered out with time after a period of much needed healing......
KY.........
treestar
(82,383 posts)I think we need to let him exercise some of his judgment. He'll have national security briefings with things that can't be known generally, yet are poised to judge him on how he deals with it as if we knew that too. I'm not saying blind following, but let him decide what can be talked about in public.
It would be Trumpish to think in terms of who gets credit. Biden is the type to give the voters the credit.
Blue Owl
(50,259 posts)So the opposite of that can be nothing but brutal honesty...
Volaris
(10,266 posts)Unless people start going to prison.
That's about the only thing that will get their attention at this point.
kacekwl
(7,013 posts)and the Republican reptiles who assisted him. Time to stomp them out once and for all.
jaxexpat
(6,801 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I love truth. Let people SEE WHAT REPUKES ENABLED!
Kid Berwyn
(14,795 posts)For a change and for Change.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)We need HOPEtm
KPN
(15,635 posts)dont either actively dont care (they support the perceived goals behind the damage), or they are too busy or simply too detached to care. Biden being brutally honest about the damage tRumpism has caused wont change any of that. Im sure his administration will deal with the damage in a well-conceived fashion without beating drums to stir up supporters or detractors.
We may not like that in which case we can do the dirty work of being brutally honest. We includes the media, academia, elected officials and anyone else who needs to rail or put our opponents in their place. The President himself doing that would only be counterproductive in my view.
tavernier
(12,368 posts)you dig in and clean it up. The other owners know that it has been destroyed. They dont expect long talks on who, what, where or why. They already know that. They expect you to clean it up. Thats why they hired you. The better job you do, the better the chance your cleaning service will be hired back.
But that doesnt mean that your workers shouldnt take pictures of the damage and present evidence to the building legal team. Your owners will expect the renter to be responsible for damage and destruction or theft.
malaise
(268,693 posts)Rec
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)at the time he changes it
maybe after awhile republics will get the message that they where not getting all the information accurately about the subject
superpatriotman
(6,246 posts)It's better said.
DFW
(54,289 posts)He should leave the hatchet work to others. That's what we have a Justice Department for, that's why commissions are set up. And concentrate on obvious stuff, things for which convictions should be slam dunks, or close to it. Get convictions before they can say "it has been two years, it's a witch hunt."
Use executive orders to the maximum he can, because you know Moscow Mitch will try to stymie him where he can, even if it's for dog catcher in Bozeman. Otherwise, stay above the fay, say "I have more important things to do."
Act presidential. It will be SUCH a contrast!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)Bobstandard
(1,292 posts)He should use his pulpit to remind Americans just how terrible Trump was. He should do so incessantly. Doing otherwise, moving on without repeated comment, just lets Trump off the hook.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Hold fireside chats to educate the public.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)and with chalk in hand make a list of all the atrocities done by Trump.