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Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:50 AM

Do you think that Joe Biden should be brutally honest about the damage Trump has done to America?

Much of Joe Biden's work will be repairing the damage Trump left behind. I would hate for this to be portrayed by the right as just reversing what a former president did for the hell of it. Biden needs to take credit for repairing America.

I hope that early on, his Administration lists all the damage, the damage to relationships, the ripping up of treaties, the economic inequalities, the persecution of minorities, the damage to the environment, the corruption, the loss of leadership in the world, the misinformation, etc.

I believe that not pointing the finger at Trump would be a failure to acknowledge the truth and the scale of the job Joe Biden has to face. These are extraordinary times, and doing to Trump what we did to Bush Jnr (going easy on him and ignoring his war crimes) would be a big mistake.

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Reply Do you think that Joe Biden should be brutally honest about the damage Trump has done to America? (Original post)
Doodley Nov 2020 OP
Squinch Nov 2020 #1
uponit7771 Nov 2020 #4
Squinch Nov 2020 #7
Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #25
Squinch Nov 2020 #35
yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #36
Chemisse Nov 2020 #43
ehrnst Dec 2020 #57
procon Nov 2020 #2
beachbumbob Nov 2020 #3
Talitha Nov 2020 #40
uponit7771 Nov 2020 #5
duforsure Nov 2020 #6
doc03 Nov 2020 #8
former9thward Nov 2020 #12
doc03 Nov 2020 #13
former9thward Nov 2020 #22
exboyfil Nov 2020 #14
former9thward Nov 2020 #20
Autumn Nov 2020 #17
former9thward Nov 2020 #21
Autumn Nov 2020 #23
yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #37
Doc_Love_Butter Nov 2020 #9
gopiscrap Nov 2020 #55
jaysunb Nov 2020 #10
Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #11
Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #15
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #16
Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #18
mucifer Nov 2020 #19
Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #24
Rice4VP Nov 2020 #26
NCDem47 Nov 2020 #27
zipplewrath Nov 2020 #28
treestar Nov 2020 #31
gulliver Nov 2020 #33
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #29
treestar Nov 2020 #30
Blue Owl Nov 2020 #32
Volaris Nov 2020 #34
kacekwl Nov 2020 #38
jaxexpat Nov 2020 #39
SheltieLover Nov 2020 #41
llashram Nov 2020 #42
Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #44
JCMach1 Nov 2020 #45
KPN Nov 2020 #46
tavernier Nov 2020 #47
malaise Nov 2020 #48
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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:51 AM

1. That should be left to other members of his administration. He should not be negative.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:54 AM

4. Leveling with America on where we're at is not being negative. Its the one thing Putin's Whore would

... not do in the beginning of CV19 coming to America and got a lot of Americans killed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:59 AM

7. I get you, but I still think after what we have had for 4 years people have PTSD. No kidding.

I believe Joe's administration will responsibly deal with what Trump has done. I think there will be prosecutions. (There better be.) I think we will be informed about the slime that has gone on for 4 years under that slob.

But I think Joe personally has to take an FDR approach to this. Everything needs to be about problem solving, and every statement needs to be couched in a "here's what we're doing to fix it and here's what you can do to help" format.

We need a leader who is relentlessly positive.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:56 AM

25. Because ignoring problems always helps them go away.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:30 PM

35. Your comment makes it perfectly clear that you didn't read my post.

Have a lovely day.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:46 PM

36. yes department heads or deputy cabinet members would be good

They are the ones who would prepare the data for him

Governors could present the harm done to the individual states, members of congress could use it too in their campaigns particularly if their opponent was part of the problem

A good example is Education Department using the new Secretary to illustrate the harm done to our education systems by CruellaDeVos

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:52 PM

43. I agree. He should fix them but not rail on about how Trump did the damage in the first place.

That will be obvious, and the media will likely fill in the background info on the acts he takes.

If he accentuates it, it only stiffens the divide. The Trumpers need to be gently lulled into accepting that Biden's way is good for the country.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:06 AM

57. I agree. The members of his administration who deal with the specifics should comment on them

 

when they encounter and fix them.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:54 AM

2. The media needs to investigate and report on the

Damages Trump has done to every aspect of the country as he tried to enrich himself and cling to power.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:54 AM

3. He himself need to stay above it BUT ALLOW his people to speak freely, including the VP

 

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:34 PM

40. THIS

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:55 AM

5. This goes without saying, America should know about the work in front of us.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:58 AM

6. Yes, I do

And the more they keep from telling us, the more people will distrust our government, and will weaken our Democracy, which trump and Putin have taken advantage of , and used it to create divisions with. Justice too. If they let trump and all the others go unpunished , it'll undermine our sense equal justice for all, and lead to more mistrust of the the ones in power.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:59 AM

8. Yep first thing is denying Trump any national security

information and saying why.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:08 AM

12. Past presidents don't get national security information.

They don't need it.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:18 AM

13. That was the subject this mornung on TV. The

security agencies don't want him to have access to national security information like all the other past presidents do. If they don't WTF were they talking about? They think he will give secrets to Putin and his other dictator friends

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Response to doc03 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:46 AM

22. Fine, let them go on the record.

No rumors from "sources".

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:18 AM

14. Under special circumstances they might

Didn't Jimmy Carter lead some peace envoys for example? I suspect that required access to classified information.

Also when accessing memoirs or addressing lawsuits/criminal proceedings, classified material might also be made available. That might be the dilemma of trying Trump for anything in the foreign policy or intelligence sphere.

In Trump's case I am sure he will be cut off by Biden by pulling all clearances like Trump did with Brennan. I would hope that the administration would also offer a list of reasons why Trump would be cut off - one that could embarrass Trump.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:43 AM

20. Yes, of course

If a current president wants to use an ex-president for some purpose then they will be given the info they need. But that is up to the current president.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:28 AM

17. Ex presidents are entitled to classified briefings on national security. Bush the elder got them

regularly. Whenever he visited the White House he would sit in on the President's Daily Briefing.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/when-he-leaves-office-can-ex-president-trump-be-trusted-n1248994

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Response to Autumn (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:45 AM

21. How many times does an ex-president visit the WH?

They just don't stroll in. They have to be invited.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:49 AM

23. Didn't read the article? I gave you just a couple of examples. Okay. nt

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:48 PM

37. sometimes they do especially if they are being sent to represent us

in an international situation
A good example is President Carter and election monitoring in foreign nations

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:02 AM

9. Yes

 

What we know now is only the tip of the iceberg. Keep digging and make it public.

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Response to Doc_Love_Butter (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 05:29 PM

55. welcome to DU

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:03 AM

10. A Kerner/Warren type Commission need to be set up.

Let them present all the all the facts and go from there.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:06 AM

11. I think Biden should let his Justice Dept. handle the afterbirth of the Trump administration.

Biden should instruct the independent Justice Dept. to be as aggressive against Trump as was Barr while acting non-independently. We now need to let the country know in no uncertain terms that Democrats can be just as aggressive in our pursuit of corruption as Trump and his minions were in promoting corruption.

Let Biden do his job in rebuilding the damage to our reputation. Let the Justice Dept. carry one big stick. America needs to see first hand that crime has its consequences. That in itself would go a long way to restore the confidence and comfort that is so badly needed once the idiot is out of office.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:24 AM

15. No. We need optimism desperately.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:26 AM

16. IMO, he should remain above the fray...

And hire vicious bulldogs to get the work done. There is no need to tell anything but the truth. He can stay positive.

While "henchmen" has a negative connotation, if I am honest, it's what I wish he would unleash on the evil we have deposed.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:31 AM

18. Hell yes. Our country is divided and lopsided because

Only the Republicans are getting their message out, we need balance in this country.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:40 AM

19. I don't have high hopes. Iran Contra comes to mind. All the hopes about W. They always look the

other way at the former administration's atrocities. It's American as apple pie.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:52 AM

24. Yes. I repeat, yes!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:58 AM

26. Yes. Obama had an interview with Charlemagne The God

and the rest of The Breakfast Club and he plainly said that Trump didnít do anything. He never passed any life changing bills or legislation. The only thing that he did was give tax cuts to billionaires and do executive orders to break stuff

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:09 PM

27. Mr. President-Elect has gone all in to be a uniter, not a divider.

I second the comments above that Biden will stay above the fray on Trump. He must project forward thinking and action---and that doesn't include Dumpster occupying any of his head space.

Now, others going after Trump? Yes. Sic 'em.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:10 PM

28. Not exactly

We don't need a repeat of Trump's plan of "what ever Obama did, destroy it". I like his expression of "build back better". Whatever is wrong, and for whatever reason, fix it. Let the pundits argue about how it got to be wrong in the first place. Remember, 73+ million people voted for the jerk and if Biden wants to "bring us together", he can't be constantly saying "Look at the mess you created that I have to clean up". When I was a senior manager, the other managers would often want to do the whole "blame game" after a major or minor disaster. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of hindsight to figure out how it happened and how to prevent it from happening again. But at some point it just becomes a witch hunt. If one truly believes in the "team" concept, then finding blame is often a case of finding the person that we all ignored while they made a mistake. Are we to blame or them? It is the old corny expression that when one is pointing a finger, there are three more fingers pointing back at you. When success was achieved and awards were being handed out, it often was realized that the "disaster" while significant, wasn't the worst thing by far. More often than not, the disaster ended up being the event that made us ALL realize that we had to pay more attention.

Joe asked for the job. He needs to do the job. He doesn't need to complain about hard it is because of his predecessor. Success will expose the failures of the previous occupant.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:14 PM

31. Yes, we can take the credit for him

There is a cartoon with a messed up Oval Office and Biden standing there with a broom. Biden doesn't need to do that himself as Dump would.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:20 PM

33. This

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:10 PM

29. Yes, but also with a "how we're going to fix it" spin. The media will not do it.

The American people need to be told the truth in order to counter-balance the massive volume of lies. Some of the best examples are lies about migrants and refugees and the huge dishonesty about their 2017 tax bill.

Truth is sorely need to restore America's confidence in Government. Do it for our youth.

These truths can be metered out with time after a period of much needed healing......


KY.........

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:13 PM

30. Yet another Joe Biden should he or shouldn't he thread

I think we need to let him exercise some of his judgment. He'll have national security briefings with things that can't be known generally, yet are poised to judge him on how he deals with it as if we knew that too. I'm not saying blind following, but let him decide what can be talked about in public.

It would be Trumpish to think in terms of who gets credit. Biden is the type to give the voters the credit.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:16 PM

32. Trump has been brutally dishonest

So the opposite of that can be nothing but brutal honesty...

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:26 PM

34. Yes I do. A lot if these drooling fools that voted for him will not accept that they made a mistake,

Unless people start going to prison.
That's about the only thing that will get their attention at this point.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:49 PM

38. Yes, trump

and the Republican reptiles who assisted him. Time to stomp them out once and for all.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:32 PM

39. The home run that Putin hit continues to orbit the planet.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:34 PM

41. Absofuckingloutely!

I love truth. Let people SEE WHAT REPUKES ENABLED!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:34 PM

42. YES

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:56 PM

44. Tell the Truth and let the Dumpsters spend time explaining.

For a change and for Change.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:59 PM

45. No... We don't need American Carnage speech 2.0

We need HOPEtm

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:08 PM

46. The damage is self evident to anyone who cares. Those that

donít either actively donít care (they support the perceived goals behind the damage), or they are too busy or simply too detached to care. Biden being brutally honest about the damage tRumpism has caused wonít change any of that. Iím sure his administration will deal with the damage in a well-conceived fashion without beating drums to stir up supporters or detractors.

We may not like that in which case we can do the dirty work of being brutally honest. ďWeĒ includes the media, academia, elected officials and anyone else who needs to rail or put our opponents in their place. The President himself doing that would only be counterproductive in my view.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:29 PM

47. When your renter is evicted and you see that he has trashed the property,

you dig in and clean it up. The other owners know that it has been destroyed. They donít expect long talks on who, what, where or why. They already know that. They expect you to clean it up. Thatís why they hired you. The better job you do, the better the chance your cleaning service will be hired back.

But that doesnít mean that your workers shouldnít take pictures of the damage and present evidence to the building legal team. Your owners will expect the renter to be responsible for damage and destruction or theft.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 02:32 PM

48. YES! YES! YES!

Rec

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:45 PM

49. Yes. Pres Biden should explain why he is changing stuff

at the time he changes it
maybe after awhile republics will get the message that they where not getting all the information accurately about the subject

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:50 PM

50. If it's in the head

It's better said.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 04:15 PM

51. Absolutely. And he should not mince words--once in office. BUT.....

He should leave the hatchet work to others. That's what we have a Justice Department for, that's why commissions are set up. And concentrate on obvious stuff, things for which convictions should be slam dunks, or close to it. Get convictions before they can say "it has been two years, it's a witch hunt."

Use executive orders to the maximum he can, because you know Moscow Mitch will try to stymie him where he can, even if it's for dog catcher in Bozeman. Otherwise, stay above the fay, say "I have more important things to do."

Act presidential. It will be SUCH a contrast!

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:25 PM

52. Of course, by way of Press Sec and other members of the team.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:36 PM

53. Yes. Otherwise he normalizes it.

He should use his pulpit to remind Americans just how terrible Trump was. He should do so incessantly. Doing otherwise, moving on without repeated comment, just letís Trump off the hook.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 07:39 PM

54. Yes go into detail of why and what and who and when

Hold fireside chats to educate the public.

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Response to Doodley (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 05:35 PM

56. Yes. Biden should go on the air & stand in front of a big blackboard like Ross Perot did

and with chalk in hand make a list of all the atrocities done by Trump.

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