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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:01 PM Nov 2020

Holy fucking shit!!! Maureen Dowd at the NYT has gone insane!!!

Last edited Sun Nov 29, 2020, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)

EDIT: I misread the disclaimer. This wasn't written by Maureen Dowd but by her rightwing wingnut brother.

Still, I think the op-ed serves as a nice view into the selective perception of right-wingers, angrily ignoring everything that doesn't fit into their world-view.






https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/thanksgiving-dowd-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Historians, 20 or 30 years hence, will be the impartial arbiters of his accomplishments, but for the nearly 74 million people who voted for him, he already has fulfilled their hopes and justified their trust.

What happened to draining the swamp? What happened to making the US respected again? What happened to building a wall and making Mexico pay for it? What happened to replacing Obamacare? What happened to reducing the national debt to zero? What happened to the record-braking multi-trillion-dollar infrastructure renovation?

Making a bunch of idiots think that you did something, DOES NOT COUNT AS ACTUALLY DOING IT!



The Democrats call now for unity, but four years ago, they screamed for resistance and upheaval. They encouraged confrontation of Trump officials at their homes and restaurants. They opposed the administration every step of the way. Their hypocrisy is laughable.


Those hypocritical Democrats! Refusing to oppose the best President ever!



Trump gave us a strong economy, achieved the lowest unemployment in 50 years, fortified the border and guaranteed the integrity of the judicial system by appointing over 200 judges, including three Supreme Court justices.


In historical comparison, Trump's economy is actually mediocre. His economic growth percentage-wise (excluding the COVID-recession) is no higher than the economic growth of the George W. Bush-era (excluding the 2008/2009 recession) or of the Clinton-era. Plus, if Obama's track-record has to include the 2009 recession, then Trump's track-record has to include the 2020 recession.

And Trump "guaranteed the integrity of the judicial system" after McConnell prevented Obama from doing so and then stacked the courts with unqualified partisan hacks. What an achievement!



He was labeled a racist but funded historically black colleges and created opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott. He was able to sign meaningful prison reform legislation.


He labeled Africa as shithole-countries, he labeled mexican illegal immigrants as murderers and rapists, he separated toddlers from their parents and put them into cages, his administration has lost hundreds of underage latino-children and has made no effort to find them, his administration has illegally denied asylum-seekers the right to apply for asylum on US soil, he signed a supposedly anti-terrorist travel-ban for muslim ountries but somehow excluded muslim countries wheremost of the islamic terrorists come from, he called black people protesting police-brutality "sons of bitches", he has protected and supported actual streetfighting Neonazis at every opportunity, he tried to get the votes of majority-black precincts thrown out in the 2020 election. And he built that fucking expensive and fucking useless wall THAT YOU JUST COMMENDED HIM FOR and that won't actually make a dent in illegal immigration because most illegal immigrants come to the US legally and simply overstay their visas.



He had foreign policy successes as well, renegotiating NAFTA and abandoning the disastrous Iranian nuclear deal (which took a $400 million cash bribe to close). He aggressively confronted China for its egregious behavior, brokered Middle East peace deals and was the greatest friend in the White House that Israel ever had.[


He exited NAFTA just so he can negiotiate basically the same deal again but this time with his name on it. He BROKE the nuclear deal with Iran, setting the precedent that the US cannot be trusted to go through on its own deals. He has started a tarif-war with China that increased consumer-prices in the US and is driving small farms ever-faster to extinction. He has shamelessly taken Israels side and has destroyed for good any chance for the US to be a non-partisan broker in the Israel-Palestinian conflict ever again.



Donald Trump was not without his flaws, but he stood like a brick wall against an unfair and openly hostile press and, alarmingly, a deep state aligned against him.


Oh, the unfair and openly hostile press that dared to report on what Trump is saying and doing.
Oh, the deep state that somehow decided to not make it public that Trump is under investigation for russian collusion.
Oh, the deep state that somehow dared to put loyalty to the US over loyalty to him.



Trump made the Republican Party tougher, teaching it to counterpunch harder than its opponent.


Shameless lying is not counterpunching.



Mark down the levels of the Dow Jones and your 401(k)s. If Biden reimposes President Barack Obama’s regulations, the economy will shortly be back to where it was under Obama.


Sooooooooooooo, according to Maureen Dowd the COVD-recession DOESN'T count towards Trump's economic track-record.



The Democrats remain mystified by the loyalty of Trump’s base. It is rock solid because half the country was tired of being patronized and lied to and worse, taken for granted. Trump was unique because he was only interested in results.


No, it was rock-solid because Trump gave them what they wanted: A white strongman who gave them permission to shamelessly give in to their darkest desires.

And the notion that somehow white rural conservatives people are taken for granted is UTTER nonsense considering that the majority of lawmakers are white, christian males AND that rural states have outsized political power in the US Senate.



The Republican success down-ballot and in state legislatures shows the folly of this condescension and sends a clear message that a majority of Americans are not ready for the socialist agenda favored by the radical left.


Yay! Even more evidence that Americans don't know shit about what socialism actually is! They even think that socialism and social-democracy are the same thing!!!
(At this point I am seriously expecting Maureen Dowd to say that the Nazis were left-wingers because they were the National-Socialist Party.)



Trump was adored by his followers, who will remember him kindly.


Yeah, the rest of the civilized world hated him, but republican voters loved him, which can only mean that he was a good person, because the opinions of non-Republicans don't count.



A final word to the media: The open bar at the wedding is closed. Your ratings and circulation are about to tank. You may think you ran down the stag, but you will quickly realize that Joe Biden on a daily basis, speaking through his mask, will not generate the same ratings.


Good grief. Maureen Dowd thinks that having a boring and effective government that doesn't generate apocalyptic headlines is somehow a bad thing.



A word of caution to Fox News: Your not-so-subtle shift leftward is a mistake.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we have it:

Maureen Dowd thinks that reporting facts instead of bothsiderism is political bias.





And finally, a special congratulations to Senator Susan Collins, who cruised to re-election despite gloomy forecasts and a ton of dark money spent against her. The people of Maine place high value on integrity.


Nope. Not gonna comment on that.
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Holy fucking shit!!! Maureen Dowd at the NYT has gone insane!!! (Original Post) DetlefK Nov 2020 OP
meh. that's maureen's predictable schtick struggle4progress Nov 2020 #1
She didn't write it. cwydro Nov 2020 #39
So what? She gave it her place on the WaPo page struggle4progress Nov 2020 #46
Actually, it was the New York Times. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #54
Oops. So still -- so what? She gave her place in the NYT struggle4progress Nov 2020 #61
There are no "family issues" that matter here. She put this under her byline. JHB Nov 2020 #66
Not insane, this sounds like typical Dowd. Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #2
She DID NOT write it. cwydro Nov 2020 #40
But she published Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #58
Dowd ANTI-admirer here, but she was quoting HER TRUMPIST BROTHER. Hortensis Nov 2020 #69
Oh yeah we all owe her a big fat apology. Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #73
So because she was just quoting someone Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #75
It's the reader's responsibility to understand, and NYT readers Hortensis Nov 2020 #78
She published it under her byline Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #79
:) Responsibility means those who have it can't give it away. Hortensis Nov 2020 #82
Yet she gave away her column space Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #84
Her Trumpflake brother wrote it. Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #111
GONE insane? To be fair, it was a short trip anyway Cirque du So-What Nov 2020 #3
It was written by her wingnut brother Glorfindel Nov 2020 #4
Thanks. That seems to be an important point. Her brother pretty much sounds like every white winger Hoyt Nov 2020 #22
Her brother Kevin wrote it. Raftergirl Nov 2020 #5
She's having a champagne cocktail while he bemoans Democrat elitism? nolabear Nov 2020 #45
Look at the intro. It's her right-wing brother's piece, not hers. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #6
Not Maureen, her brother Kevin, as it states in the set up... SharonClark Nov 2020 #7
She turned the most valuable real estate in media over to her RWNJ brother mcar Nov 2020 #8
+ struggle4progress Nov 2020 #48
Yes, it should not have been published by nyt... Meowmee Nov 2020 #112
It is her wingnut brother who wrote it. N/t Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #9
If she let him write this knowing he is a wingnut standingtall Nov 2020 #62
The OP didn't allege she was vicariously responsible Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #63
That piece is written by her Trumper brother Kevin BeyondGeography Nov 2020 #10
Im not understanding how anybody thinks she should be defending standingtall Nov 2020 #64
Hot off the gasbag's own press sects desk. This mahina Nov 2020 #11
It's not hers, it's her brother's. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #23
Every Thanksgiving she does this. Biophilic Nov 2020 #34
Her brother Kevin wrote the column. See the intro. Nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #12
written by her brother. why she felt it was worth publishing is another matter NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #14
It's her Trumpazoid brother Kevin's piece, not hers. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #16
Thanks for the correction. I deleted my post. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #20
Maybe she let him have her space to make him look stupid. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #24
One would think the OP would edit, wouldn't one? cwydro Nov 2020 #37
One would think. And one would also think people would read the piece itself The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #43
One would think this pointless defense of her column kcr Nov 2020 #88
No one is defending it, or at least I'm not. cwydro Nov 2020 #91
There is a difference between correcting factual misstatements Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #94
It also matters how you correct kcr Nov 2020 #96
The OP (to which these posts are responding) Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #101
Again, I'm not protesting correction. kcr Nov 2020 #106
No trick at all. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #108
Unfortunately, too many people around here have a knee jerk reaction Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #99
As if all these correctors kcr Nov 2020 #100
No one is pretending it doesn't matter - we are correcting a misstatement of fact by the OP Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #102
It's been literally said in this thread. Multiple times. kcr Nov 2020 #104
That is a DIFFERENT discussion that those of us correcting the post are engaging in. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #110
Is she the one Bartcop used to call Dragon-lady? n/t gay texan Nov 2020 #15
He used to say "Maureen Dowd hates everybody. Today it's _______." Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2020 #19
Yes!!!! n/t gay texan Nov 2020 #26
1/2 the replies here are correcting the author's name. How about updating the OP? Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #18
Once again, it's her brother's piece, not hers. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #27
People jump to conclusions really quickly around here. cwydro Nov 2020 #33
People don't f&cking READ THE LINKED ITEM before opining! The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #38
I know. cwydro Nov 2020 #47
But she still published it Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #76
That's a different issue. The point is that the piece was represented as being BY her The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #77
Ok that's fair Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #80
But it really isn't a different issue. kcr Nov 2020 #98
Yieks! Since she didn't write it, you want the times to fire her? jimfields33 Nov 2020 #29
Why does this woman still have a job? CanonRay Nov 2020 #21
Because she didn't write it. That's why!!!!!!!!! jimfields33 Nov 2020 #30
No but she published it Dem4Life1102 Nov 2020 #35
when you put your name on it you own it. Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #72
eeeeeeew! A fascist! Make it go awaaaaay! Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #25
Mask off! W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #28
You mean she wasn't insane before this drivel? Autumn Nov 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author CTyankee Nov 2020 #44
She won't remember writing it because she didn't write it. Her brother did, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #50
Thanks for reminding me. I shudda read the intro! CTyankee Nov 2020 #55
Do you know her? cwydro Nov 2020 #51
Calm down. It was written by her brother. cwydro Nov 2020 #32
I'm trying to imagine BainsBane Nov 2020 #71
I didn't get past "justified their trust" Martin Eden Nov 2020 #36
*sigh* ONCE MORE: She didn't write it. Her brother wrote it. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #41
Thread title is a wee bit misleading, then Martin Eden Nov 2020 #52
Be that as it may, it's always a good idea to read the actual piece The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #53
He didn't get it, either. Iggo Nov 2020 #59
Read the rest of the thread if you can't be bothered to read her column more carefully. cwydro Nov 2020 #42
Dowd is the quintessential Karen. radius777 Nov 2020 #49
I'm curious as to why you report in the first paragraph tavernier Nov 2020 #56
Fake news. obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2020 #57
I think her snowybirdie Nov 2020 #60
Never read her MFM008 Nov 2020 #65
FYI MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #67
Newspaper opinion BGBD Nov 2020 #68
in all fairness, the fascist perspective gets very little media coverage. Voltaire2 Nov 2020 #70
Maureen is still pissed because Bill Clinton rejected her. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #74
Maybe she's auditioning for wife #4 since it's time for a trade-in. Vinca Nov 2020 #81
It would be her brother who is auditioning for that role. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #86
So she didn't go to her Trump-loving family's Thanksgiving frazzled Nov 2020 #83
Thank you. You said it best. cwydro Nov 2020 #87
It's always kind of obvious that when frazzled Nov 2020 #95
She is not the only person that said or wrote head spinning Blue_true Nov 2020 #85
Well, you sure ruffled the Dowd fans on DU kcr Nov 2020 #89
Is the NYT paying Dowd's drooling right-wing brother for this shit? Paladin Nov 2020 #90
Well, as long as SHE didn't write it kcr Nov 2020 #92
It is our fault that Maureen Dowd gets attention Cameliano Nov 2020 #93
NYT seems to be the sludgehole lately. Grasswire2 Nov 2020 #97
You couldn't pay me to read her malaise Nov 2020 #103
Lapdog Extraordinaire. calimary Nov 2020 #105
Trashing this thread due to inaccuracy of OP. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #107
Thanks for the correction! n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #109
It was written by her mentally challenged RW brother. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #113
Change the damn headline!! Poiuyt Nov 2020 #114

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
54. Actually, it was the New York Times.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:48 PM
Nov 2020

And maybe she did it to make her brother look like a fool with his own words. Who knows what kind of family issues are going on?

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
61. Oops. So still -- so what? She gave her place in the NYT
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:17 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe she'll next offer her place to the people who believe we liver on the inside of a flat and hollow Earth and who warn us to beware of the shape-shifting body snatching illegal space alien lizard people, who live among us in disguise to suck out our precious bodily fluids?

JHB

(37,156 posts)
66. There are no "family issues" that matter here. She put this under her byline.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

If she wants to share a screed by her brother, she can read it at her next cocktail party, or whatever she's doing as a substitute these days. Then it can reach the vanishingly few people who are so exquisitely isolated they haven't heard all this before.

The rest of us have heard it before because "wingnutville" never shuts up about it. I've heard versions of this for forty years.

They resent what they feel are caricatures of them, but they caricature us with reckless abandon. They complain that we accuse all of them for the extreme words and actions of a few, while being completely oblivious to how they're doing that about us.

They marinate in such a RW media environment that FOX simply acknowledging reality is considered an unforgivable "turn to the left."

These people make the most stereotypical snowflakey liberal arts college activists look like veritable stoics. They've created "Alert!" notification networks so they can lose their shit about everything. This is an addiction to axe grinding costumed as righteous anger.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
2. Not insane, this sounds like typical Dowd.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

Why the NY Times continues to employ such a hack is the real question.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
40. She DID NOT write it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

I love how people go off half-cocked around here just so they can be enraged.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. Dowd ANTI-admirer here, but she was quoting HER TRUMPIST BROTHER.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:58 PM
Nov 2020

It's extremely disgusting and dishonest to not bother to read for oneself and then attack by mistake.

It's doubling down on BOTH to then insist they're also the demonized one's fault.

This Thanksgiving, I made myself a French 75 and toasted the end of a very bad, horrible, no-good year. I was the only one in our family following Dr Anthony Fauci’s advice to “bite the bullet” and skipped our large holiday gathering. No doubt, my Trump-loving family poured one out for the president. In that spirit, my brother, Kevin, offered the following threnody for Donald Trump.

Just perhaps a few people here owe Ms. Poison Pen Dowd an apology? That she owes many millions herself doesn't make it okay.

Voltaire2

(12,960 posts)
73. Oh yeah we all owe her a big fat apology.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

Also it was really mean to make fun of Trump at his tiny desk.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
75. So because she was just quoting someone
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

that absolves her of any responsibility for publishing that BS?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
78. It's the reader's responsibility to understand, and NYT readers
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:23 PM
Nov 2020

don't need your censorship of what they read under the mistaken concern that they also don't understand the message and where it's coming from. I'd add a reader's responsibility NOT to refuse to understand for personal reasons and then spread that to others.

Don't we imagine ourselves the people who despise trumpist-level dishonesty and their eagerness to spray-gun it everywhere?

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
3. GONE insane? To be fair, it was a short trip anyway
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

She landed a prominent spot on my 'pay no mind' list a long time ago.

Glorfindel

(9,719 posts)
4. It was written by her wingnut brother
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

See this DU entry from earlier today:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214635853

I'm no fan of Ms Dowd, but she didn't write that particular crap.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Thanks. That seems to be an important point. Her brother pretty much sounds like every white winger
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:19 PM
Nov 2020

I know that is not out waving a confederate flag, going on maneuvers with the local militia, etc.

Raftergirl

(1,283 posts)
5. Her brother Kevin wrote it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

“This Thanksgiving, I’m going to make myself a French 75 and toast the end of a very bad, horrible, no-good year. I’ll be the only one in our family following Dr. Fauci’s advice to “bite the bullet” and skip our large holiday gathering. No doubt, my Trump-loving family will pour one out for the president. In that spirit, my brother, Kevin, offers the following threnody for Donald Trump.”

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
6. Look at the intro. It's her right-wing brother's piece, not hers.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

Not that Maureen herself is exactly a font of wisdom, but this isn't her opinion. It's always a good idea to read something thoroughly before posting about it.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
7. Not Maureen, her brother Kevin, as it states in the set up...
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020
This Thanksgiving, I’m going to make myself a French 75 and toast the end of a very bad, horrible, no-good year. I’ll be the only one in our family following Dr. Fauci’s advice to “bite the bullet” and skip our large holiday gathering. No doubt, my Trump-loving family will pour one out for the president. In that spirit, my brother, Kevin, offers the following threnody for Donald Trump.


Note: Several conversations about this article, one posted earlier today.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
62. If she let him write this knowing he is a wingnut
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:19 PM
Nov 2020

How is she not just as responsible for the content in it?

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
63. The OP didn't allege she was vicariously responsible
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:21 PM
Nov 2020

They argued she wrote it. Facts matter.

Maureen Dowd has decided to write a reality-free fluff-piece for Trump that basically calls him the best politician ever.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
64. Im not understanding how anybody thinks she should be defending
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:22 PM
Nov 2020

Saying her wingnut brother wrote it. Does nothing to soften it. If she allowed him to write this than she is just as responsible for it's content as he is.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
23. It's not hers, it's her brother's.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:21 PM
Nov 2020

Why she let him have her space is a fair question but she didn't write it.

Biophilic

(3,630 posts)
34. Every Thanksgiving she does this.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:36 PM
Nov 2020

I try to avoid her, but over the years I've noticed that every Thanksgiving she gives Kevin her spot to spew his garbage. I haven't read her since she was so hung up on bringing Hillary down. For the last 8 months or so I have hardly glanced at the Times which my sister gets every morning. I've learned that it's not good for my inner well being.

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
16. It's her Trumpazoid brother Kevin's piece, not hers.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

It's always a good idea to actually read something before commenting on it.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
20. Thanks for the correction. I deleted my post.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:18 PM
Nov 2020

Nonetheless, that the NYT published this piece of trash is notable. Maureen Dowd should publicly disown the views of her brother.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
91. No one is defending it, or at least I'm not.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:48 PM
Nov 2020

But I despise fake news, especially here. Ymmv.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
96. It also matters how you correct
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:56 PM
Nov 2020

It can be very telling. For instance, ignoring the fact that it matters she gave her column over to her rightwing brother, as some are doing in this thread. Or insisting that fact is another matter entirely when it isn't.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
101. The OP (to which these posts are responding)
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:22 PM
Nov 2020

Did not discuss whether it matters that she gave the column over to her rightwing brother - because the OP believed Dowd had written it.

Whether it matters that she gave her column to her rightwing brother is opinion, not fact, and not even an opinion expressed by the OP.

So to address the factual errors in the OP, there is no inherent need to address an opinion that wasn't even expressed in the OP that it matters that she gave the column over to her rightwing brother.

There are a lot of times I see factual errors, but don't feel like getting into a discussion on whatever correction of the facts might generate. In those instances the lack of preemptive commentary on whatever opinions might be generated by the factual correction means absolutely nothing, other than I didn't feel like having that discussion. What I cared about was, literally, correcting false news: that Dowd wrote the piece complained about.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
106. Again, I'm not protesting correction.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:34 PM
Nov 2020

I'm protesting the manner of the correction. I am wondering however, how it can be that thinking it matters she gave her column to her right wing brother is opinion, but thinking that it doesn't matter is not? That's a neat trick.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
108. No trick at all.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 04:21 PM
Nov 2020

Fact in the OP that is false.

Maureen Dowd has decided to write a reality-free fluff-piece for Trump that basically calls him the best politician ever.


Maureen Dowd didn't write it.

Searches the OP for any reference to Dowd giving the column to her brother . . . . finds none,
Searches the OP for opinions about Dowd giving the column to her brother . . . finds none.

The only fact to correct is the author of the piece.

It's not a "manner of correction." It is simply a factual correction. The OP said Dowd wrote the piece. The OP was wrong. I corrected it because I don't like fake news, I don't like watching people react to fake news as if it is the truth, and I don't like the reality that some of them will go post it on facebook as truth, tweet about it as truth, use it as the basis of conversations with friends and neighbors, etc.

Several posters brushed off the correction, suggesting it didn't matter that the OP got their facts wrong. While it is certainly a valid opinion that Dowd is as responsible for the piece as if she had written it, I care far less about that narrow question than I do about progressives adopting a phenomenon that has long been part of the right wing MO: that truth is subservient to political opinion - rather than being a foundation we use to support our political opinion.

Encouraging us to be more careful about facts goes to the core of who we are (or who we used to be, or who I hope we will return to being). I care more about that than about opinions on one small issue. I don't want to dilute the importance of speaking truth by engaging in side conversations that are founded on truth not being important (i.e. it doesn't matter that the OP got their facts wrong - all that matters is how bad Dowd is, so if our facts were wrong we'll just find alternate facts to support our condemnation. )

So at least 9 times out of 10 when I correct a factual error that's all I will do - and I will resist being dragged into a discussion
a "what if" discussion that I might even have engaged in, had the OP not gotten their facts wrong.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
99. Unfortunately, too many people around here have a knee jerk reaction
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

to factual corrections, and impute motives to those making the factual corrections when the actual facts don't align with their political bias.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
100. As if all these correctors
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:08 PM
Nov 2020

would give over their own columns willy nilly to anyone, if they had one. Give me a break. Pretending that it doesn't matter that she allowed that column under her own byline is disingenuous at best.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
102. No one is pretending it doesn't matter - we are correcting a misstatement of fact by the OP
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:25 PM
Nov 2020

Some of us care about accuracy in the news, and find it particularly disturbing when progressives participate in spreading it. Period.

No one who corrects fake news is obligated to engage in a discussion on all of the political implications that might follow from the facts, had they been stated correctly by the OP in the first place.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
104. It's been literally said in this thread. Multiple times.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:28 PM
Nov 2020

It's not the correction of the fact. It's the correction of the fact as if it matters. I'm sorry, but if a columnist gives their space to a trump loving relative with their byline on it, then it doesn't matter that they didn't write it. Effectively, they wrote it.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
110. That is a DIFFERENT discussion that those of us correcting the post are engaging in.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

The OP got the facts wrong. Period.

If you want to talk about whether she should have given her space to her right wing brother - start a thread! Or invite discussion here. But make it an invitation, not a condemnation of the motives of those who entered the discussion solely to correct the factual representation in the OP.

Doing so diminishes the importance some of us attach to halting the spread of fake news by insisting that anyone who corrects facts is we ALSO obligated have to engage in a discussion that might have taken place had the OP not gotten their facts wrong.

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
27. Once again, it's her brother's piece, not hers.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:23 PM
Nov 2020

Doesn't anybody actually read the linked piece before posting?

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
76. But she still published it
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:16 PM
Nov 2020

under her byline. In the end whether she wrote it or not, she is responsible for it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
77. That's a different issue. The point is that the piece was represented as being BY her
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:20 PM
Nov 2020

and it wasn't. I don't like her; she's snarky for the sake of snark and she tends to snark at the wrong people. But she's not a Trumper and never has been. If we want to criticize her for posting it in her column space, fine. That's fair criticism. But it's not the same as saying she wrote it herself because she didn't, and I doubt very much that her brother's opinion is anywhere close to hers.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
98. But it really isn't a different issue.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

She isn't absolved simply because she let someone else have her space to write pro-Trump drivel. To point out that she herself didn't write it doesn't change what it is. You can point out that she didn't write it. But it doesn't matter.

Response to Autumn (Reply #31)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
50. She won't remember writing it because she didn't write it. Her brother did,
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

as the intro to the piece clearly states.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
51. Do you know her?
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

You have inside info that she’s an alcoholic?

And btw, she didn’t write it, dear.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
71. I'm trying to imagine
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:05 PM
Nov 2020

what would be okay about allowing my brother to do my job, and he's not even a lunatic.

Martin Eden

(12,845 posts)
36. I didn't get past "justified their trust"
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:37 PM
Nov 2020

More than 20,000 LIES in less than four years justifies TRUST??!!!

Don't look for cheese on Maureen Dowd's cracker. It slipped off.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
41. *sigh* ONCE MORE: She didn't write it. Her brother wrote it.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

I don't know why she let him have her space, unless it was to let him make an ass of himself, but she didn't write it. Read the damn thing!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,593 posts)
53. Be that as it may, it's always a good idea to read the actual piece
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:46 PM
Nov 2020

that is the subject of a post before commenting on it, since posters sometimes get it wrong. As has happened here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
42. Read the rest of the thread if you can't be bothered to read her column more carefully.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:40 PM
Nov 2020

She didn’t write it. It was her trumper brother; she was making a point.

Whoosh!

radius777

(3,635 posts)
49. Dowd is the quintessential Karen.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

Yes I know her brother wrote it, but she published it without critique. She's always written smarmy pieces that twist the knife in the backs of Dems, and seems to pine for the world of the 1950s where everybody knew their place and where a woman of her stature was well kept.

Her brother's worldview is absurd and bothsiderist. Dems and even some Repubs (Never-Trumpers) formed a resistance against a fascist strongman who was installed by Russia and who lost the popular vote by 3 million. He had no right being president, and any sane system would've weeded him out before he got that far. Trump's admin was a clown show and grift operation that did little to benefit anyone except his family, the one percent and racists.

Biden, otoh, is an institutionalist and bipartisan consensus seeker, and won despite the GOP voter suppression efforts aimed at the Dem base.

Hunting of the president (see Bill Clinton, Obama) has always been a Republican pasttime - so save it you racist little shitstain. You guys are cowards and sore losers whose time has come and gone.

tavernier

(12,369 posts)
56. I'm curious as to why you report in the first paragraph
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:57 PM
Nov 2020

that Maureen Dowd wrote this, when you obviously know that its not true.

Why would you do this? Did you agree with the content?

MustLoveBeagles

(11,583 posts)
67. FYI
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020

PLEASE update your post to indicate that it was her brother not her that wrote this. Now that that's out of the way, why on earth is she allowing her brother's diatribe to run without comment? It's not like wingnuts are underrepresented in newspaper columns. I'll say this though: she didn't write this but she's still a hack. Why the New York Times wastes valuable ink and paper on her useless column is a mystery to me.

Voltaire2

(12,960 posts)
70. in all fairness, the fascist perspective gets very little media coverage.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:04 PM
Nov 2020

So Dowd is just trying to correct that problem.













Do I really need that sarcasm thing?

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
81. Maybe she's auditioning for wife #4 since it's time for a trade-in.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:32 PM
Nov 2020

Sadly for Mo, I think she's a little long in the tooth for His Highness.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
86. It would be her brother who is auditioning for that role.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:37 PM
Nov 2020

She she is not the one who wrote it. It was written by her brother.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
83. So she didn't go to her Trump-loving family's Thanksgiving
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:33 PM
Nov 2020

Instead she poured a cocktail for herself and offered what was said by her Republican brother.

Do you guys not understand snark, or do you just like to be outraged?

Remedial reading comprehension courses required.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
87. Thank you. You said it best.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:40 PM
Nov 2020

I’ve learned the OP apparently doesn’t care about correcting a false post.

Good to know.

You’re so right on the remedial reading. Kinda sad so many DUers seem in need of it.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
95. It's always kind of obvious that when
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:56 PM
Nov 2020

an OP posts something controversial (and misleading to boot), and then doesn’t reply at all to any of the dozens of countervailing responses, that they’re just in it to make trouble. Hope they’re enjoying getting so many fish to bite.

Yes, it saddens me that so many fail to read and consider, just going for the headline or for preconceived notions. But it worries me more that this so often coincides with an engagement in politics that gains its only pleasure from opposition and grievance. It’s dangerous.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
85. She is not the only person that said or wrote head spinning
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:36 PM
Nov 2020

support for Trump. Governor Andrew Cuomo opined that reporters were being disrespectful to Trump. Imagine that, reporters calling on Trump to stop lying and concede an election that he has clearly lost are being “disrespectful”?

 

Cameliano

(54 posts)
93. It is our fault that Maureen Dowd gets attention
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:55 PM
Nov 2020

After decades saying in same things, you all of a sudden say that she has "gone insane".

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
97. NYT seems to be the sludgehole lately.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 02:59 PM
Nov 2020

Every time I see Peter Baker or Ken Vogel, I cringe.

Something's off. Really.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
107. Trashing this thread due to inaccuracy of OP.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 03:35 PM
Nov 2020

I thought our side was supposed to be based in reality.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
113. It was written by her mentally challenged RW brother.
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 08:10 PM
Nov 2020

And he got reamed in the comment section. Next time she chooses a guest to opine under her by-line, she might want to pick her dog instead.

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