Question: If you're pardoned for stealing, do you get to keep the money? nt

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[exboyfil]

1. That is a really good question

I also wander if accessing stolen funds is then a crime if it occurred after the issuance of the pardon. It seems a lot of white collar crime is something that is ongoing and difficult to establish an end date on when it actually stops. For example a future financial filing may be dependent on a prior one that was fraudulent and pardoned. Isn't this then a new crime?

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4. Pardons don't apply to civil offenses

[exboyfil]

8. But accessing dirty money can be a crime

That is my question. If a pardon doesn't whitewash it, then is it a crime to access it?

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9. A pardon removes criminal liability, but the money still belongs to it rightful owner

The victim can still recover it through civil action

[Xipe Totec]

11. In this case the victim is the Federal Government.

Otherwise there would not be a pardonable crime.

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12. The federal government can sue in civil court

[Xipe Totec]

13. This could be good.

Sue to recover stolen money,

Then file new charges for tax evasion of the undeclared profits of the theft.

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14. They'd probably make the pardon broad enough to cover any crime under the tax code

Though the irs could still go after the money, including interest and penalties.

[gab13by13]

2. Bernie Madoff should have asked for a pardon.

[Yonnie3]

3. I would think you are not immune from civil suits, only from criminal prosecution.

as they say "Sue the Bastards"

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6. Hey yonnie - how you been?

[Yonnie3]

7. Good

You?

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10. Finer than bee's hair! Staying safe, following doctors orders and feeling fine!

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5. NO. Stolen money belongs to those it was stolen from. Civil liability remains after criminal ...

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