Stop bashing white men. Thank them. And get them to college.

[Nimble_Idea]

Interesting read.

The one significant demographic in which his support cratered compared to 2016 was among white men, who make up more than one-third of the electorate. Biden made an impressive 11 percentage point gain among white, college-educated men and a 6 percentage point gain among white, non-college educated men, supposedly Trump’s core constituency.

I give ZERO fucks about magats and deplorables. But we should help workers in PA and MI. Philly and Detroit obviously, but also places like Scranton all across the USA. I'm confident that President Biden will get this done.

WHITE MEN, HELP JOE WIN GEORGIA SENATE RACES!! He will get the support we ALL need. The only thing that trickles down from a (R)ich grifter, is their piss on you. The billions they give away to their friends stay there in the fancy golf courses that you can't get in.

Building from the ground up is how everything in America really gets done. YOU KNOW THIS.
https://joebiden.com/build-back-better/#


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/29/how-biden-needs-handle-his-new-voter-base-white-males-column/6347523002/

[StarfishSaver]

1. No, thank you

I'm too busy fighting like hell to protect black men and women from getting killed and marginalized by the choices Republican white men of all education levels keep making to spend any of my energy helping them get to college. They already have plenty of advantages without me having to devote any effort to providing them with more.

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. +1

[Nimble_Idea]

4. Biden....a white man...is doing what you mention first

it will take everyone to get it done. I support you!

[JI7]

35. Biden is not a Republican

[brush]

17. This right here. There are still millions of non-voters to woo...

to our side than to change our policies to get male trumpers to see it our way. If we get in and instill policies that benefit the 99 percent, which will include their low-info behinds, and they still don't see the light, well, that's their problem.

[StarfishSaver]

27. Yes.

This obsession with trying to win over people who don't seem the least bit interested in being won over is ridiculous.

[LovingA2andMI]

42. +2

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[elleng]

2. 'help workers in PA and MI,'

looks like what Prez-Elect Biden has in mind, according to his proposed economic team.

[RealityChik]

5. Education is no longer a job guarantee...

There's a whole mess 'o PHD candidates slingin' hamburgers because there aren't enough jobs to support higher education. Education is only part of the solution. Federally subsidized job training would be a lot more productive than lending folks money for education they'll spend the rest of their lives paying back with no job guarantee.

To revive the middle-class, it's all about JOBS with livable wages. Even raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour would be a game changer. Education is a crapshoot.

[Deuxcents]

6. Good Union jobs

For men and women. Let’s get to work.

[shenmue]

7. Um, what?

[Baked Potato]

8. Voters from all walks of life came together for Joe.

Democrats have their work cut out for them to build and expand the base and Party. Along with getting people to college, I would like to see Union jobs come back in a big way, especially in the construction trades.

[LuvNewcastle]

9. Not everyone wants or needs college.

Understanding the needs of working class men of all colors is one key to Democrats' gaining majority status again. We need people in the trades as much as we ever have. Working class white men don't want special favors for their group, but they would appreciate having money to go to trade schools and having good trade schools that are equipped to teach a variety of subjects and do it well. That's one thing we could do for all working class men regardless of race, but there are many other things. We should listen to these men.

[Baked Potato]

11. I totally agree. And, that goes for women, too. They work trades just fine.

[DBoon]

13. Everyone benefits from the breadth of education college brings

Not just the academic subject matter but having to work with other students with different backgrounds and interests, the opportunity to learn about other cultures and traditions.

[LuvNewcastle]

15. I'm not saying it isn't a beneficial experience,

but it only goes so far with some people. There are quite a few who just don't thrive in that kind of environment. They might get nervous taking written tests or a host of other things. There's nothing wrong with these people, it's just how they are. I'm not mechanically inclined at all. I look at an engine and all I see is a twisted mess. I have a hard time differentiating between the parts. It's just how I am. I wouldn't feel comfortable at diesel mechanic school. As far as learning about other cultures, you don't need school to do that. Move to a big city and get around. You'll learn a lot.

[chowder66]

40. +1

[turtleblossom]

10. The best way for democrats to increase support from white men...

...have more babies.

Have you noticed how right wing people are having larger families with some of them adopting children? There is a reason for it.

Left-winged white people should produce more children and raised them with left-winged views.

[DesertRat]

24. What?!

[cwydro]

31. "Left winged?"

That gives an amusing image.

[KS Toronado]

43. Are you a (R)ight-winged troll?

[KPN]

12. Support labor and worker rights to bargain everywhere, period.

[walkingman]

14. Pass UBI legislation - that would change America in a good way. The trick will be getting

it passed in Congress. The majority of the country do not decide what passes in congress and their has to be a cost for obstruction. It's too late to educate our way out of this - we don't have the time. We need radical change and we need it fast. Biden need to give the GOP 60 days and then take the gloves off.

We need strong leadership now more than ever and not a "cum bye ya" by our party.

[betsuni]

16. "Democrats have taken for granted people of color and women"

Hillary was blamed for losing the election because she concentrated on people of color and women too much, ignoring the white people. Which is it?

[Nimble_Idea]

18. I think it can be both

Dems need to be ruthless when they get power and get shit done for everyone. Obama wasted some serious political capital hist first term, imho.

[betsuni]

20. Obama had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate for four months and ten days in his first two

years and then Republicans controlled the House for the rest of his two terms. That's not a hell of a lot of power.

[Nimble_Idea]

21. I was trying to find the clip...

where he was passing a law/talking to the press about how much they did and he was like "leave some for later" or "don't do everything , leave..." to some affect. I wish I could find it.

[betsuni]

25. Because Democrats are supposed to look into a crystal ball and see the future?

Plan accordingly?

[Nimble_Idea]

26. or check the hubris and go for the kill, like the magats do

[betsuni]

28. What hubris?

[Nimble_Idea]

30. he deliberately took his foot off the gas

The clip says it all. sorry I can't find it.

[betsuni]

34. "Foot off the gas" with four months and ten days of exactly 60 votes in the senate,

giving each senator of those sixty a veto? That's no car with gas.

[JI7]

32. Disagree, I think white people underestimate how much racism there is in their community

[JI7]

19. No , non whites without college vote democratic

[marble falls]

22. Not so here in Texas.

[carpetbagger]

29. Non-white non-college-grad TX men went 61-36 Biden

The exit polls probably tilted towards Biden by several percent, but there it is.

[keep_left]

23. Also, bring back civics education in high school in all 50 states.

Get school textbook approval out of the hands of Texas billionaires and fundamentalists. Also, start enforcing antitrust laws on the radical consolidation that has gone on in book publishing, which led to the Texas billionaire problem in the first place. (Thom Hartmann has explained this in detail).

Finally, accreditation for all (public/private/home) schools. You don't get to teach "alternative facts" like the Earth is 6000 years old. I've seen their stupid textbooks in religious bookstores. Teach that on your own time as a parent, not in the classroom.

[betsuni]

33. The educational gap is a racial attitudes gap.

[JI7]

37. Exactly, Many of them don't want to go to college . I don't know why people always assume

these people don't know any better and are victims and we just need to do this/that for them and they will see the light.

[betsuni]

44. +1

[Silent3]

36. Probably a big reason support for Biden was up among white men...

...is that Biden is a white man. Sad, but probably true. And I say that as a white man who doesn't much identify with a lot of my own demographic.

The horror that has been Trump's presidency should have been enough to wildly swing the vote away from Trump among all demographics. Instead, not having to vote for a woman to vote for a Democrat likely made more of a difference between 2016 and 2020.

[Dem2]

38. As a white male

I do enjoy bashing white men, though at times I think we should stop bashing "groups" as it can seem hypocritical. My best guess from what I hear from white guys (even some Democrats) is that they seem to be angry about 2 things in particular (though they won't admit it): 1) "everybody needs a college education" and 2) "we're becoming a majority minority country". 99% of guys 40 and older just aren't going (back) to college either.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. We can't afford to write off ANY demographic.

Even if a majority vote R, if a significant minority will or may vote Dem, then we need then.

Just like we can't take any demographic for granted if a significant minority may vote R, or choose not to vote.

Anyone who advocates ceding any group to the Rs is no friend to the party or the country.

[dustyscamp]

45. 1+++

Many of them seem to be the type who want to be the only ones who have the right to be angry at anything

[StarfishSaver]

46. Why do people respond to any objection to kissing white Republican voters' asses with

"We can't afford to write off any voter/demographic"?

There is a difference between falling all over ourselves chasing voters who consistently spit in our faces and writing them off.

As a black voter who is among the dedicated, ride-or-die, come-hell-or-high-water black Democratic voters who remain true to the party no matter what - and who jump over hurdles, ford streams, dodge bullets and outrun wolves to drag our candidates over the finish line time after time - I am sick and tired of being told my party needs to do more to appeal to voters who vote Republican because they resent that the Democrats are too accommodating of me and my concerns and when I object, being lectured about how I need to try harder to get them to change their minds because "we can't afford to write anyone off."

BS

[Nimble_Idea]

47. for the record

I wasn't advocating those that "resent that the Democrats are too accommodating of me and my concerns"

In fact, I specifically pointed out my objection to deplorables and magats


But the fact remains. Some of them crossed while the Dems were still "accommodating" or what I call, doing the right thing.

[Crunchy Frog]

49. I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to the OP.

And I wasn't talking about white Republicans but about white men; a large demographic of which a sizeable minority vote Democratic.

You are debating me about a strawman argument that I never made.

The fact is that if we don't get a substantial minority of white male votes, we will win practically nothing. And I don't believe that it's a zero sum game. As I said in my original post, we can't afford to cede any group, and we can't afford to take any group for granted.

And I was only talking about demographics, not about party, so I wasn't suggesting appealing to Republicans.

[LovingA2andMI]

41. .....

Guilt Complex......