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JoeOtterbein

(7,869 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:03 AM Dec 2020

Bernie world seethes over Tanden as OMB nominee

Politico

To former Sanders staffers and allies, Tanden is one of the Democratic elites who helped sink his 2016 campaign behind the scenes.

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN

11/30/2020 09:25 PM EST

Progressives have been able to live with most of Joe Biden’s Cabinet picks.

But to many of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ staunchest supporters, Biden’s decision to tap Hillary Clinton loyalist Neera Tanden to lead the Office of Management and Budget is just too much — the equivalent of rubbing salt in the wound.

To former Sanders staffers and allies, Tanden is one of the Democratic elites who helped sink his 2016 campaign behind the scenes, not to mention a union-buster, a threat to Social Security, a hippie-puncher who constantly picks fights with the left, and much more.

“I don’t know anyone personally in Bernie world who is happy about this choice,” said Briahna Joy Gray, Sanders’ former national press secretary. “We’re talking about a woman who’s notorious for assaulting Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager.”

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Bernie world seethes over Tanden as OMB nominee (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueLucy Dec 2020 #1
What does that have to do with... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #7
The article you posted quotes her... BlueLucy Dec 2020 #9
Bernie wasn't elected president nt doc03 Dec 2020 #2
Left don't like her, right don't like her Dem2 Dec 2020 #3
Krugman pleased with the pick. elleng Dec 2020 #11
. DURHAM D Dec 2020 #4
If the juicebox revolutionaries like Gray AND and the GOP senators can't stand her, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #5
Tanden has built a better MFA. So there's that too. 🙄 Budi Dec 2020 #6
Museum of Fine Arts??? Googling +Tanden and +MFA returns nothing. LAS14 Dec 2020 #57
Medicare For All...fairly common usage around here...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2020 #59
Stop re-fighting 2016. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #8
Why does a report on how some of our left feel about a future nominee, have anything to do with... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #12
"Tanden is one of the Democratic elites who helped sink his 2016 campaign behind the scenes." betsuni Dec 2020 #16
Did you even read what you posted? MrsCoffee Dec 2020 #25
Just because they write it doesn't make it so...and those who refused for vote for Hillary Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #52
Did you read the third paragraph above? George II Dec 2020 #27
The more concerning issue is frazzled Dec 2020 #10
Most of them are not Democrats anyway and voted for Stein no doubt. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #49
Some key words: "politico", "Briahna", "Joe Biden's Cabinet" Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #13
Not to mention the oft used term in Bernie World of "Democratic Elites". George II Dec 2020 #28
Oh yes PatSeg Dec 2020 #32
I knew it was going to be a shitty Politico essay when I saw the byline from "Polly Gottawhine". NurseJackie Dec 2020 #33
Joe Biden has named 27 people to his administration over the last week or so... George II Dec 2020 #37
LOL! You said "reporter" ... 😂😆🤣 NurseJackie Dec 2020 #38
Well, that's what Politico has on their site for her complete biography: George II Dec 2020 #40
Well, I guess she aspires to be one. In my opinion, she's just an "activist" and gadfly. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #45
+1000000 Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #50
Hello, you! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #53
+1, politico is in overdrive on the shit stirring uponit7771 Dec 2020 #39
LOL refighting 2016. betsuni Dec 2020 #14
Who gives a shit JI7 Dec 2020 #15
Lol, well, someone HAD to save our democracy. Joe, I don't think Hortensis Dec 2020 #17
Not many give two shits about what "Bernie world" thinks or does AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #18
Biden also did better in those congress people's districts than they did JI7 Dec 2020 #19
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 betsuni Dec 2020 #20
lol Cha Dec 2020 #21
This. Those "not many" managed to elect four people to congress, Hortensis Dec 2020 #24
Oh, SNAP! sheshe2 Dec 2020 #66
So when did Neera Tanden "assault Bernie Sanders' campaign manager"? And to where.... George II Dec 2020 #22
A Magical Mystery Tour. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #67
Womp womp. MrsCoffee Dec 2020 #23
How dare Bernie fight for social security and medicare! Yeehah Dec 2020 #26
Wtf does that have to do with losing an election an being bitter over cabinet choices? MrsCoffee Dec 2020 #29
Maybe having an OMB director who has supported cuts to social security? Yeehah Dec 2020 #34
You mean like Obama did for the sake of getting kGOP to talking table? Come on people, Biden is uponit7771 Dec 2020 #41
So, Obama accepting discussion of social security cuts Yeehah Dec 2020 #60
Feelings have less than zero relevancy to actual policy. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #69
Social Security was signed into law in the 1930s Medicare was signed into law in 1965. George II Dec 2020 #30
He isn't fighting for any of those things here JI7 Dec 2020 #31
Old, traditional Democratic policies. betsuni Dec 2020 #43
Interesting how often that Bernie himself does not seem to be a part of Bernie World? mackdaddy Dec 2020 #35
"A hippie puncher"?? ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #36
I. Do. Not. Care. MineralMan Dec 2020 #42
"seethes" betsuni Dec 2020 #44
Bernie's incredibly shrinking cohort of red rose dipshits greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #46
A union-buster, a threat to Social Security Omaha Steve Dec 2020 #47
In what capacity would she be a threat to unions or Social Security? NurseJackie Dec 2020 #54
We just disagree Omaha Steve Dec 2020 #58
Sanders vote will absolutely be required for confirmation. If he has any measure of integrity tritsofme Dec 2020 #48
Indeed. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #55
Are The BS People Aware THat They Share THe Same View About NT Me. Dec 2020 #51
Revenge is more important to some. Their bitterness and disappointment... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #56
So It Seems Me. Dec 2020 #62
Kind of a stupid, petty reason to oppose a cabinet pick. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2020 #61
Social security is stupid and petty? Yeehah Dec 2020 #65
That is not what this is about. nt sheshe2 Dec 2020 #68
The allegation is they oppose the pick because of personal political grudges. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2020 #70
Right Wing Conservative bill kristol loves her kwolf68 Dec 2020 #63
Actually, she heads a liberal progressive action group that often Hortensis Dec 2020 #71
Same shit, different day from Politico n/t Spazito Dec 2020 #64

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
9. The article you posted quotes her...
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:13 AM
Dec 2020

She is not a democrat. Why should democrats care what she thinks?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,538 posts)
5. If the juicebox revolutionaries like Gray AND and the GOP senators can't stand her,
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:11 AM
Dec 2020

she must be a good choice.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. Tanden has built a better MFA. So there's that too. 🙄
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:11 AM
Dec 2020

They're now mad at Sen Warren, Rep Barbara Lee & anyone who has endorsed Tanden.

So what else is new?

JoeOtterbein

(7,869 posts)
12. Why does a report on how some of our left feel about a future nominee, have anything to do with...
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 12:56 AM
Dec 2020

...anything in the past?

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
16. "Tanden is one of the Democratic elites who helped sink his 2016 campaign behind the scenes."
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 06:30 AM
Dec 2020

2016 isn't the past?


MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
25. Did you even read what you posted?
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:20 AM
Dec 2020

The answer is right there in the byline and continues in the excerpts.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
52. Just because they write it doesn't make it so...and those who refused for vote for Hillary
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 AM
Dec 2020

in the general have the blood of thousands of Americans on their hands, separated children at the border, economic collapse which will lead to starvation and homelessness of millions of Americas and now an attempted coup. One could say that 'Bernie world (stupid term if you ask me) helped elect Trump so I honestly don't care what they think.

I look at the electoral map and wonder how they think if we follow their 'ideas' how we would ever hold majorities. We need a 50 state strategy and a big tent...everyone has a place in the big tent but no one faction gets to call the shots. And I object to their attacking of our President-elect before he even take office...make me care less what they say. I never read Politico and avoid the author of this piece like the plague... will trash the thread after this reply.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Did you read the third paragraph above?
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:23 AM
Dec 2020

Here it is again:

To former Sanders staffers and allies,
Tanden is one of the Democratic elites who helped sink his 2016 campaign
behind the scenes, not to mention a union-buster, a threat to Social Security, a hippie-puncher who constantly picks fights with the left, and much more.


But here's an interesting fact, when several people run for the same nomination, one is going to win and the others are not, essentially their campaigns have been "sunk", in part by everyone who worked for or endorsed the winning candidate. Does that put them on some kind of black list for the rest of his/her life? Are they to be forever shunned?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. The more concerning issue is
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 12:14 AM
Dec 2020

that there is a thing called “Bernie world.”

Really, there’s a universe of Bernieness that exists outside of the rest of reality? Sounds a bit like a cult to me.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
49. Most of them are not Democrats anyway and voted for Stein no doubt.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:11 AM
Dec 2020

I have little doubt that Democrats who supported Sanders supported our nominee as for the rest, they will find some excuse not to vote Democratic and then wonder why they have less influence than they wish they did.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
13. Some key words: "politico", "Briahna", "Joe Biden's Cabinet"
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:30 AM
Dec 2020

The first two signal shit-stirring. The last 3 are self-explanatory.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
32. Oh yes
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:40 AM
Dec 2020

Referring to members of our party like republicans do is not helpful at all. The only difference is republicans would call them "Democrat Elites". This is really getting old already.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. I knew it was going to be a shitty Politico essay when I saw the byline from "Polly Gottawhine".
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:50 AM
Dec 2020

There's one Politico writer who truly needs to explore finding productive and healthy ways to move beyond the bitterness and disappointment of the fact that her candidate was rejected by the voters (not just once, but twice). She has had plenty of time to let the facts soak-in and for her sorrow and dismay to subside. Rather than sprinkling gasoline on the fire... rather than continually picking scabs and pouring salt into the wounds... rather than MAKING THINGS WORSE, her time would be better spent with articles of why it's crucial to STOP TRYING TO KNEECAP Biden with the continual whining and nitpicking. Her dime-a-word essays (if she's lucky) should be focused on helping others to accept reality and to move on from their primary losses.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Joe Biden has named 27 people to his administration over the last week or so...
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:24 AM
Dec 2020

Have we seen a single positive word about any of the 26 others from this writer? Unless I missed it, no. But that reporter sure did zero in on one of those named in a New York minute to criticize Biden's choice.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
45. Well, I guess she aspires to be one. In my opinion, she's just an "activist" and gadfly.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:52 AM
Dec 2020

Also in my opinion, in spite of her far-left idealism... her current efforts only serve to hinder, weaken, and slow the progress that the Biden Administration seeks to accomplish. It's clear that she's still fighting the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and hasn't accepted the fact that her favorite candidate isn't the choice. So, now... out of bitterness and spite, I've concluded that she wants to use her position at Politico as a platform NOT for progress, but for revenge. It's just petty and childish for anyone to try an deny Biden the opportunity to do the job he was elected to do. It's my belief that if she genuinely wanted to help our nation achieve at least SOME of the progressive objectives (or to make meaningful in-roads) that she'd (as an activist) would be doing everything possible to HELP Joe Biden... or to help other bitter and disappointed leftists to accept reality. As it stands now, her ego and vanity won't let her do that. It's all about hurting and weakening Biden. It's about kneecapping him before he's even taken the oath of office. That's the short-sighted "burn it down to start over" philosophy of treacherous "revolutionaries" who's rather destroy than build. All she can do is whine, whine, whine... she's just another juicebox revolutionary, in my opinion.


(These are my opinions and criticisms about someone who writes for Politico, a person in the public-eye. Others may have different opinions, but these are my views.)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
53. Hello, you!
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:26 AM
Dec 2020


I can't stand that woman. She's not a reporter, she's an activist... but even as an activist, she's a rather POOR excuse for one. If she truly wanted to promote a progressive agenda and make SOME progress (even if it isn't being done by her political idol) then she'd be typing her fingers to the bone trying to unify other disappointed leftists into helping and supporting Biden.

Instead she's constantly trying to kneecap Biden (even before he's sworn-in) and HINDER any progress that would be made for the progressive causes she (and they) care most about. Once again we see her truly bizarre but holier-than-thou purity-brigade philosophy that takes such pride in the "all or nothing" attitude. It's clear to me that people like her would rather have NOTHING and complain loudly about it, rather than to swallow their pride and work to make SOME progress.

After all, the "incremental progress" that they hate is still PROGRESS! Right? These juicebox revolutionaries always want it now! Instantly. How fortunate they are to have the luxury of time on their side (among other luxuries). Meanwhile, true leaders like Biden must fight BOTH the Republicans AND the attacks, smears and distractions from the far left.

Honestly, what good purpose does it serve? As an activist, she should stop whining and use her platform for good, rather than for harm. It's time to rally the far left. It's an all-hands-on-deck moment... and we have people like this wretched woman refusing to help and standing in everyone else's way.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
14. LOL refighting 2016.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 06:23 AM
Dec 2020

Elites. Hillary Clinton (OMG LOCK HER UP). ENEMIES BEHIND THE SCENES WITH CANAPES. Social Security, unions, "hippie-puncher" LOL.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Lol, well, someone HAD to save our democracy. Joe, I don't think
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 06:31 AM
Dec 2020

you'd have enjoyed having to threaten to toss your representatives out of office every time Legislating President Sanders called on you to force congress to pass his grand plans.

How long until it seemed easier to just got rid of a congress whose functions were already mostly usurped? Or, in the real world, wouldn't the hoards of millions of activist citizens needed to frighten congress into compliance have failed to materialize even once? I'd think finding oneself a force of 1 or 5 here and there would have been demoralizing fast.

This bizarrely magical and shockingly anti-democracy thinking, btw, is all right from the horse's mouth: Sanders himself, 2019-20 primary. He was explaining to the NYT editorial board how you'd force congress to do what he wanted as president, like trash the ACA congress created and start from scratch on "MfA." And all his other promises.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
18. Not many give two shits about what "Bernie world" thinks or does
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 07:57 AM
Dec 2020

One cannot demand when one has not been a part of Joe Biden's victory.

Bernie world's stars like Cenk, Nina, David and Brie Brie openly criticized Joe Biden.

Bernie world's congress persons refused to endorse Joe Biden.

One person said they wouldn't be in the same party as Joe Biden.

And .... Bernie is still not a Democrat. He should become a Democrat first before his world starts making demands.

On the other hand, The Lincoln Project helped Biden immensely and has not made any demands whatsoever.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
19. Biden also did better in those congress people's districts than they did
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 08:07 AM
Dec 2020

including in the Primary when he beat Sanders in them.

But considering they are actually members of congress they could focus on trying to get support for legislation from other members and to the President's desk to sign . BUt all of that is very hard work and I guess boring.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. This. Those "not many" managed to elect four people to congress,
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:18 AM
Dec 2020
but call it five if you generously toss in Bernie Sanders himself. "If" because his well entrenched core constituency includes a bunch of anti-socialism/anti-Democratic VT conservatives who give a whole different meaning to "Bernie world."

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. So when did Neera Tanden "assault Bernie Sanders' campaign manager"? And to where....
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:14 AM
Dec 2020

....can I travel to visit this so-called "Bernie World"?

I've been to "Disney World", saw a movie about "Wally World", never been to "Bernie World".

MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
23. Womp womp.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:16 AM
Dec 2020

Get the fuck over it. Losers don’t get to pick.

Joe won the election.

Bernie World, lol. Is that anything like Wally World?

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
41. You mean like Obama did for the sake of getting kGOP to talking table? Come on people, Biden is
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:37 AM
Dec 2020

... not going to accept cuts to SS.

Some people just like to stir crap

Yeehah

(6,486 posts)
60. So, Obama accepting discussion of social security cuts
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 12:51 PM
Dec 2020

actually should make people feel more secure that social security is safe?

Is that really what you mean?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. Feelings have less than zero relevancy to actual policy.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 08:28 PM
Dec 2020

Accepting discussions of different POVs while crafting policy is however, by its very definition and nature, part of policy.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Social Security was signed into law in the 1930s Medicare was signed into law in 1965.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:28 AM
Dec 2020

mackdaddy

(1,976 posts)
35. Interesting how often that Bernie himself does not seem to be a part of Bernie World?
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:18 AM
Dec 2020

Does that mean that Bernie world is not happy with Bernie?

I keep getting confused at who I am supposed to not like...

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
36. "A hippie puncher"??
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 10:22 AM
Dec 2020

😩😩😩😩

Also, What the actual fuck is this right here?

“It’s like putting Chelsea Clinton in the office,” said Kurt Ehrenberg, Sanders’ former longtime political strategist in New Hampshire. “She’s clearly not a friend of the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.”


Jesus.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
54. In what capacity would she be a threat to unions or Social Security?
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:30 AM
Dec 2020

She would not be MAKING policy decisions... that's Biden's job. She would be responsible for overseeing and implementing Biden's vision and agenda. Joe Biden is entitled to choose the people he wants to working for him.

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
48. Sanders vote will absolutely be required for confirmation. If he has any measure of integrity
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020

he will put aside childish squabbles and vote to let President Biden have his team.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. Are The BS People Aware THat They Share THe Same View About NT
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 AM
Dec 2020

as the wingers? Do they want this association?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
56. Revenge is more important to some. Their bitterness and disappointment...
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 11:35 AM
Dec 2020

... cannot be handled or accepted in a mature way. Instead, it's all about the efforts to kneecap Biden even before he's been sworn-in.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
62. So It Seems
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:19 PM
Dec 2020

Garumph, garumph garumph. And what exactly did Neera do to stop his campaign? As far as I can tell he pulled in buckets of money and did pretty well for someone who had never been front and center before. I don't think some understand how close to the edge we came and there is a lot of 'setting right' to be done before we can step into the future.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
61. Kind of a stupid, petty reason to oppose a cabinet pick.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 12:54 PM
Dec 2020

But something tells me that's not the whole story.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
70. The allegation is they oppose the pick because of personal political grudges.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 09:39 AM
Dec 2020

I'm not talking about social fucking security.

kwolf68

(8,452 posts)
63. Right Wing Conservative bill kristol loves her
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:27 PM
Dec 2020

So it's obviously a great choice. /sarcasm

And of course people only don't like her because she is a women of color. Brother oh brother. Maybe people don't like her because her policies are shit. Could care less about her freaking demographics.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
71. Actually, she heads a liberal progressive action group that often
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 10:29 AM
Dec 2020

criticizes and pushes the Democratic Party for more action. They're not socialist revolutionaries, though, believing in using democracy and capitalism to advance society. Sounds like an inappropriate target for death threats from people who proudly labeled themselves "Progressives," doesn't it?

Bernie Sanders took a real dislike to her in 2016, though -- and thus his noisy followers hated her then and still do -- because her progressive group, CAP, didn't support him. They also had the nerve, as it turns out unforgivably, to criticize some Sanders hypocrisy in their journal.

Kind of a severe reaction for what doesn't sound like much (and really, really wasn't), but remember how well he took Planned Parenthood's refusal to endorse him.

Tanden is only one of many names Sanders' aggressive populists react to the exact same way Trump's collection reacts to those their leader turns them against.

Oh, and she once called them "crazy leftists." Had to look that one up, knew there was something.
That strikes me as very mild given Sanders' own actions, contempt for today's progressivism in government and willingness to destroy it, and the many unleashed behaviors of his "revolutionaries" so outrageous they were reported in the media,

But especially considering the constant barrage of vitriol and death threats the scum of the Sanders "movement" aimed at her and her organization. And still do.

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