Why isn't Subversion of our Democracy a crime?

[spanone]

It appears this is exactly what trump & company are doing.

[Lucky Luciano]

1. The hilarious thing is that the deplorables would say the same about Obama!

[beachbumbob]

2. Its called sedition, problem is who has guts to pursue when we can;t even get

subpoenas enforced?

[abqtommy]

3. +100

[malaise]

4. It is but who will enforce it?

I can't believe that most of M$Greedia are reporting an attempted coup as if it were a both sides run of the mill event.

JoeScum is actually discussing this now - calling it an attempted coup.

[beachbumbob]

5. nothing can happen until after Jan 20, 2021 and Biden MUST ALLOW the DOJ to pursue all of this

[malaise]

6. Fingers crossed

Lock them up!

[beachbumbob]

8. realistically, democrats have a pisspoor track record on pursuing this stuff

the House performance and ignoring subpoenas/no enforcement pretty much reveals it all. I wish crossing fingers would help but when Obama let bushco off without any repercussions at all, what does GOP/trump have to fear???

[malaise]

9. Nailed it

Which is why we are here with a brazen attempted coup taking place on live TV.
There mist be consequences for sedition.

[beachbumbob]

10. unfortunately I have little faith as we have seen time and time again over decades a lack of

resolve. Where is the democratic version of Newt Gringich 1980/1990s??? Some one who does anything to attain an objective??

[malaise]

12. I'm with you 100%

Dems need to wake up or face a successful coup one of these days

[kentuck]

13. Democrats need to be smarter with a better strategy...

for handling this. It needs to be done, but not loudly.

It needs to be thorough but not forever.

Justice is a requirement for a democracy.

[beachbumbob]

16. unfortunately the rightwing propaganda networks will not be silent so why even bother?

- ANY AND ALL investigations should start with a bipartisian select committee in the House with referrals to DOJ and all subpoena enforcement by DOJ, thats where you start
- the scope of investigation should also include ALL politicians at state and national level as well. Placing people under oath, on TV has an impact.

[spanone]

14. It IS an attempted coup. They are trying to overturn the will of the people.

It should be criminal in any democracy.

[malaise]

15. +1,000

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[spanone]

17. Insanity. Fucking republicans won't call Biden 'president-elect'

They are all complicit.

[malaise]

18. Everyone

That was +1,000

[kentuck]

7. Some call it subversion.

Some call it sedition.

Some call it an attempted coup.

I think it is probably all of the above.

[Hortensis]

11. If voters wanted sedition punished, they would have given Democrats the power

to do it. And that's the real, grave danger we're in today. Seditious politicians are created by the support of voters on both sides who lack conviction of principles and commitment to democracy. Charismatic politicians reflect their supporters every bit as much as their supporters come to adopt their leaders' beliefs and goals.

The way Trump has been behaving in calling elections that go against him stolen, using the press to drill his lies into the consciousness, promising the nation to refuse to accept them, filing lawsuits, and calling on bodies of power to overset the popular vote is exactly what the other populist leader Bernie Sanders did in the 2016 primary. With continued support of their large followings, and Russia and MSM, both leaders hoped or believed they would somehow carry it off. (Trump's rage and disbelief are all public, though it does have the basis of the power of the presidency. Bizarre as any expectation on the Democratic side was, Sanders staffers reported his enraged disappointment when it didn't happen.)

The problem is less with the relatively few extremists who scream angrily for populist victories over democracy but with the many more who weren't shocked and repelled and continued to support. Perhaps, somewhere compartmentalized away, they know shining a light on and prosecuting attempted subversion/sedition wouldn't feel good personally. I took some comfort in the reduced mainstream support for a LW populist movement this time, but the 2019-20 elections still showed dangerous numbers of ordinary people have not learned to fear their own ability to destroy our democracy. Or question their willingness.