This is NOT how to get people to take the COVID vaccine....

[LovingA2andMI]

On Don Lemon's show this evening, the segment when like so (Summary of the discussion, not exact quotes):

Don - So there is a Congressman bringing up a discussion to PAY PEOPLE $1500 to take the COVID vaccine. That is similar to the UBI Yang discussed during his campaign. Andrew...

Andrew - Camera was offline at that moment.

Don - Anthony Scaramucci thoughts?

Anthony - Yea, I think this is a great idea. Tie the $1500 to COVID vaccine and spur economic growth....

Andrew - Camera back on now.

Don - Thoughts?

Andrew - I believe we need a stimulus package to get the growth needed and put money in Americans pockets BUT yes, the $1500 for taking the vaccine is a form of UBI....

WHAT THE LITERAL F**K? Are they trying to ensure many, many, many Americans don't think one iota of taking the COVID Vaccine? This is disgusting and insulting especially on the backs of the Tuskegee Experiment. Where the hell are they going with this mess!!!

[TeamPooka]

1. I think you need a better analogy and expression of your thoughts on this issue.

[LovingA2andMI]

6. Last paragraph....

Why pay people to take a vaccine that's suppose to HELP people? Period!

[TeamPooka]

9. Why? Your OP answers the question, to stimulate the economy & get anti-vax types to take it. Period

Also, your Tuskegee analogy sucks for a comparison.
It makes no sense.
Paying people to take this vaccine is not the same as the Tuskegee study where the men were promised free medical care, but were deceived by the Public Health Service, who disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment.

So anyway, I trashed this thread.

[ms liberty]

15. All this, and thank you! n/t

[tritsofme]

2. You think it's a bad idea because it will encourage more people to take the vaccine? WTF?

[MFM008]

3. this is easy

you sign up. fill out the paperwork, your name is probably entered in the state or fed system.
you will need ID etc.
You get the shot.
You get the cash.
id do it in a minute.

[madaboutharry]

4. I don't get how the tragedy of the Tuskegee experiment

is relevant here.

Are Americans so ignorant that it is going to take a bribe to get them to take the vaccine? This is the issue.

Not sure where you were going with your post.

[Dem2]

5. I think it's a good idea

A huge number of people say they won't take the vaccine or will wait for others to take it first. This is a good incentive to get people to take the vaccine - especially those of lesser means who, even if they are not anti-vax, would not make the time to get it.

[LovingA2andMI]

7. Okay....

They go first. Of lesser means....

[BlueLucy]

11. and they would be protected first.

[Maru Kitteh]

12. Of lesser means? Like the millions of healthcare workers who will

get it first? And the elderly/disabled in group settings?

FFS - YES! Get it to everyone, and we all need the stimulus.


YES. PAY.

[LovingA2andMI]

21. AND.....be used as guinea pigs.

For Adverse Reactions. We been here before...

"In the fall of 1932, the fliers began appearing around Macon County, Ala., promising “colored people” special treatment for “bad blood.”

“Free Blood Test; Free Treatment, By County Health Department and Government Doctors,” the black and white signs said. “YOU MAY FEEL WELL AND STILL HAVE BAD BLOOD. COME AND BRING ALL YOUR FAMILY.”

Hundreds of men — all black and many of them poor — signed up. Some of the men thought they were being treated for rheumatism or bad stomachs. They were promised free meals, free physicals and free burial insurance.

What the signs never told them was they would become part of the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male,” a secret experiment conducted by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the progression of the deadly venereal disease — without treatment.

On Tuesday, the Tuskegee History Center will mark the 20th anniversary of its founding and President Bill Clinton’s apology to the survivors of the experiment with a day-long program devoted to the fallout of the study. It destroyed the trust many African Americans held for medical institutions — a legacy that persists today."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/05/16/youve-got-bad-blood-the-horror-of-the-tuskegee-syphilis-experiment/

Amazing how soon history is forgotten or pushed aside. Welcome to America.

[Silent3]

8. I have mixed feelings about this. I'd take the vaccine myself right now, no money needed.

If paying people to take the vaccine helps to get more people to take it, and it's money we'd be distributing anyway for economic stimulus no matter what, that's a good thing.

On the other hand, would it scare more people than it would encourage? Some people might think "they" wouldn't pay us to take the vaccine unless the vaccine were a terrible risk.

I'm personally not scared of the vaccine at all. Yes, it's been done much faster than normal, but the fact that it wasn't ready before the election gives me confidence that the FDA hasn't been overly compromised by Trump and his minions, and still has plenty of good people looking out for our best interests.

It's also a risk/benefit thing. The vaccine might well be a little more risky than other vaccines because of the speed of development. But the trials so far show that side effects, if any, are probably a less than one-in-10,000 thing. Compare that to more than a quarter million people killed already, and hundreds of thousands of more deaths likely, and millions of people who live but who have life-long damage from the virus, the trade-off is more than good enough for the added risk.

[BlueLucy]

10. I think it's a great idea.

No one should be afraid to take the vaccine. There are too many skeptics in USA. This would help tremendously.

[sinkingfeeling]

19. I'm afraid to take it. Just last year, a CDC doctor advised me to

NOT take a Yellow Fever vaccine before my travel to African countries that require it before allowing entry. He based that on my age and medical history of physical reactions to other vaccines and drugs. I traveled with a letter of exemption.

I will have to have medical personnel with expert knowledge of each type of available vaccine to tell me which one to take.

[LovingA2andMI]

22. "No One Should Be Afraid To Take It"....

Groupthink- Run Amok.

[JI7]

13. I think it's a good idea as a way to cover lots of people as

quickly as possible once the vaccine becomes available for everyone.

[Rice4VP]

14. People might associate paying them to take

a vaccine with an experiment. I don’t think it’s a good idea.

[LovingA2andMI]

23. Thank You....

This, Right, Here!

[cwydro]

16. Why are you comparing this idea to the Tuskegee abomination?

Do you think the vaccine is dangerous?

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Unrec

Sorry, but I don't think you thought this through.

[NurseJackie]

18. The transcript is a trainwreck. I could barely finish it.... and reaching the end didn't help.

[LovingA2andMI]

24. Horrible Idea....

If the Vaccine does what is claimed no one should be PAID to "take it" for their Health.

Unless, it does not do what is claimed. Period.

[Xolodno]

25. Works for me.

Way back in the day....in a blue collar job while in college....

The company came out with a safety program. You were put into a safety group with other like workers, if no one got hurt that quarter, you got $100. However, we had to have a safety meeting every month, guess what, it was very productive, we pointed out issues that could and/or did cause injuries and brought them up to management. Which then took an active role to minimize or eliminate it.

Mid management was pissed, "I can't believe were paying people to be safe!". Talk about a disconnect.

Bottom line, tying a stimulus payment to getting the vaccine is a good strategy. Let the anti vax, COVID hoax spreaders, etc. put their life vs. their wallet. Many will change their tune real fucking fast. Sure some will still refuse, but let Darwin take its course.

[LovingA2andMI]

26. Let Darwin Take It Course....

Interesting chain of thoughts....

[Xolodno]

27. Yeah..I'm all out of fucks to give.

My Mom is on government assistance since she is heavily disabled. My sister gave up career aspirations to take care of her. And yet, my Mom's siblings rail about needing cuts to entitlements......that is until I tell them, "so, you want to put your sister into a worse poverty and make us take up the slack...something you won't do? Then you hear the record on the turntable scratch".

I have life long friends and relatives who would, and I kid you not, risk the lives of others, just for their ideology...well lets be real, the Trump cult.

But lets add more to this, I've been known to not talk politics on facebook and avoid the subject. Well, when someone would start mouthing off, I asked kindly they stop or form a group and invite people that were interested. They, in a way, kindly told me to fuck off. So, when Biden won, made a point I was happy he won. They went ape shit. One even said, "You stated you would never talk about politics on facebook". I stated the affirmative, but no one extended the same courtesy, so, you assholes pushed me into the fray. Don't like it? Blame yourself.

As for COVID, I take all precautions....some people I've known for decades, do not. I can't help them, they won't know facts until it slaps them in the face. And yes, there is a chance I might have to bury one or more of them. I don't like it, but, if that's what it takes....

[misanthrope]

28. I don't think it's a bad idea

You can't depend on Americans' conscientiousness or critical thinking skills (across the board) but you can always count on their greed. What's sad is that our society is like this.