Breaking NYT: Rudy Giuliani discussed with Trump, a pre-emptive pardon for himself.

[sunonmars]

Link to tweet

These fuckers are a disgrace........

[dalton99a]

1. It is a given.

Blanket pardons for all gang members in good standing

[sunonmars]

2. However, what Guliani is doing now is considered obstruction on both of them.

[Botany]

5. So many will need pardons including the Trump kids, spouses, and Brad Parscale

And this is just one of their scams.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214644397

[Siwsan]

3. So he's admitting he's a criminal? How far he has fallen.

He could have retired to a cushy life. Instead he had to feed his ravenous ego. Pathetic.

[greenjar_01]

4. Parnas and Fruman and going to burn him to the ground

Kerik told him prison is no fun, I guess.

[nykym]

7. CAn a pardon

save Ghouliani from disbarment?

[Jersey Devil]

11. Pardons only apply to criminal charges

Licensing is a civil matter and would not be protected by a pardon.

[sunonmars]

8. This could easily be legally challenged, as issuing the pardon was done to protect himself

There are so many little mine bombs awaiting Trump and his pardons.

[LudwigPastorius]

15. The only restrictions on a presidential pardon...

are, that it only applies to a federal crime, it is not applicable in the case of impeachment, and that the person being pardoned must accept it for it to take effect.

That’s all the Constitution and established law says.

Sure, anything can be challenged in court, but there is nothing that says a president’s pardon is invalid if it’s a way of covering his own ass (see W Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby).

[yellowcanine]

9. Did he ask him to hold off until he is done committing treason?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Kind of like buying indulgences from the Pope.

[Doodley]

10. Quid pro quo? If a pardon is Trump's payment for legal services, is that legal?

[Paladin]

12. Rudy ought to lose his law license, regardless. (nt)

[TheBlackAdder]

13. We need and Over Under or DU BOX Pool on how many pardons King Trump will issue.

[jmowreader]

14. You can't count that high

He will pardon all three of Ivana’s kids, his entire campaign team, the whole cabinet...basically, anyone who’s been within 20 feet of Trump the last four years. It’ll be like that Oprah episode where she gave a new car to everyone in the audience.

Unfortunately he can’t pardon himself, and getting a pardon also means you don’t get to refuse to testify. All those people Trump pardoned will be required to help put Trump in the Crowbar Hotel for the rest of his useless life.

[UTUSN]

16. Impeachment *AND* a pardon - making Tricky Dick great again!

[Bondor]

17. Can a pardon be pre-emptive?

If pardoned before indictment, it is proactive immunity, not a pardon. Is that legal?