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(1,896 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:13 PM Dec 2020

Regarding Trump's pay-for-pardon scheme: Could the House bring impeachment charges in 50 days?

The president's pardon power is absolute except in cases of impeachment, right? If the House could fast-track an impeachment in December, and then the Senate voted to convict and remove him (and yes, I know that's unlikely), then maybe all of those corrupt pardons would be nullified.

Even if the Senate failed to convict Trump, another impeachment trial would at least bring this latest outrage out in the open.

Even as I write this, I know this plan is dead in the water, coming so close to Biden's inauguration. Still, you would think somehow, someway that justice would find a way to prevail.

It just makes me ill to think of the incredulous glee Trump must have felt when his lawyers first explained to him the power of the pardon: "I can pardon ANYBODY?! For ANYTHING? Nooooo! Really???? Really???? Even MYSELF?????



(15,325 posts)
1. I wish he were impeached before jan 20th . Stripped of all the benes once a Pres leaves office
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:22 PM
Dec 2020

He should be entitled to NOTHING but the legacy of corruptiion.

He gets walked out the door & that's it.

No lifetime Presidential perks for service to country.
And same for his crime family, & any who abetted his criminality, proven via an Impeachment right before he leaves office.
The big Fk You America Grift ends with an Impeachment.




(15,325 posts)
7. Just prefer he left without the grifting of Presidential perks for life
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:36 PM
Dec 2020

He deserves nothing more from this country.


(67,493 posts)
8. Neither did Nixon. But no one in the beginning of this country expected men like Trump or Nixon
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 10:30 PM
Dec 2020

to attain the highest office.


(91,680 posts)
2. Sure they could, but they won't
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:26 PM
Dec 2020

First, what would the charge be? All you know is that there's an investigation. Not an indictment, not a conviction, not even a summary of evidence.

Second, since the Senate won't vote to convict him, what would an Impeachment accomplish that an eventual criminal indictment wouldn't.

Wounded Bear

(57,658 posts)
3. They could, but why bother?
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:28 PM
Dec 2020

It won't go anywhere in the Senate. Without the conviction in the Senate, it's just a waste of time. Might as well do a vote of censure, but since Trump doesn't do shame, that's pissing in the wind.


(1,896 posts)
9. You're right. It wouldn't go anywhere in the Senate. But it would expose the crime.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 09:13 AM
Dec 2020

You can bet that Fox News is not reporting on the pay-for-pardon investigation, or if they are, they are spinning it to make it look like Trump is just a brilliant businessman. Look at him, he's actually making money from pardons! That's not corrupt, that's smart!

Of course, Trump's diehard cult members will not be troubled one bit about this latest proof of his criminal behavior. But there might be some among them with a glimmer of decency and sense of right and wrong. If they had full knowledge of what he's done, their opinion of him might dim. Slightly.

And an impeachment investigation and hearing would at least not let Trump get away with it without anyone making a big deal out of it or his followers even hearing about it.

We can't let pay-for-pardon become normal, like so many other outrages have become during Trump's time in office. Even if it doesn't go anywhere in the Senate, impeaching him would show that this behavior, in the words of Adam Schiff, is not okay.




(67,493 posts)
4. No, What is this obsession with impeachment. Biden is elected. Trump is going.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:30 PM
Dec 2020

Those who can be moved will know about it...the rest won't care.

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