Did Pence jump off #TheTrumpTrain or was he pushed?

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Mike Pence Backs Away From the Trump Election ‘Fraud’ Train Wreck

“The vice president doesn’t want to go down with this ship… and believes much of the legal work has been unhelpful.”

Asawin Suebsaeng
Lachlan Markay
Sam Stein
Updated Dec. 03, 2020 10:52AM ET

Vice President Mike Pence has been a go-to fundraising draw for the president’s campaign, and since October, no more than a day passed without his name emblazoning a fundraising email for the Trump re-elect.

But that changed late last month. Since Nov. 25, not a single fundraising email from the Trump campaign or its Republican National Committee fundraising account has featured Pence’s name in the “from” field. And this week, that Republican National Committee joint fundraising committee, the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, made another subtle change: a handful of its emails swapped out the official Trump-Pence campaign logo for one featuring just the president’s name.



At first blush, those may seem like minor tweaks to gimmicky portions of Team Trump’s fundraising strategy. A source familiar with the process said the fundraising emails do not go to Vice President Pence’s team for clearance and an RNC official said the digital team was merely testing a new logo around the end-of-the-month deadline. Indeed, some of the joint fundraising committee’s emails this week have included the original campaign logo with Pence’s name below Trump’s.



But several high-level sources say that the graphics change, along with Pence’s disappearance from the headers of President Donald Trump’s increasingly frantic and conspiratorial pleas, are not actually coincidental. According to four people with knowledge of the matter, they reflect an effort by the vice president and his team to distance Pence from some of the president’s more outlandish claims about a conspiracy to undermine the election and illegally deny him a second term in office.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pence-backs-away-from-the-trump-election-fraud-train-wreck

[Gothmog]

1. I guess that trump is not going to ask Pence to issue trump a pardon

[hlthe2b]

3. Oh, hell, Trump will assume Pence's near five years sycophancy remains without limits.

I'd bet he would assume, without even asking him, which might be hilariously disastrous.

[Gothmog]

11. Time will tell

For this to happen, trump would have to listen the attorneys who are telling him that self pardons do not work. I believe that trump will ignore anyone who tells him that self pardons do not work

[wnylib]

12. Wouldn't it be great if Trump

turned the presidency over to Pence for a pardon and Pence did not give it or give the presidency back to Trump? If Pence used the opportunity to 25 Trump?

OK, that will never happen, but it would be hillarious to see.

I don't think Trump would turn it over to Pence for a pardon. Trump is too distrustful and paranoid, especially now, to give up control of the office.

I do think he might try to use Congressional challenges when Congress meets to count the EC votes. It's the only thing he's got left. Besides making money off of the donations from his followers, the hope of Congressional challenges might explain why he continues trying to sell the voter fraud story.

[hlthe2b]

2. Is Pence deluded enough to think this "preserves" his 2024 chances?

But, of course, he is. He is, after all, a long term R and Trumpster.

[Moostache]

4. Hey Donald? Got a second?

Let me explain this to you in terms you will understand...

Politically, you are BANKRUPT...
You blew out another casino, this one was even harder to fuck up than your previous 5 or 6 or however many you ruined...
This time the voters are the BANKS, and they too have decided to NO LONGER EXTNED CREDIT to your worthless ass.
And, now the voters is also including your source of last resort in the past - Russian gangsters.

If I were you, I'd be pretty fucking manic too right about now...and avoid getting anywhere near high windows you might fall through.

[BusyBeingBest]

5. Whenever I see a Pence headline, I am reminded

that he exists.

[Blue Owl]

6. Throw Mother From The Train

[IcyPeas]

7. trump was rubbing off on him

[catbyte]

8. Gah! Your post should come with a warning label.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. That cat handled it better than I did.

[tanyev]

9. Oh, like when the Iran Contra scandal broke Reagan blamed it all on GHWB,

but when GHWB ran for president, they blamed it all on Reagan.

[Grins]

10. Sorry, Mike. "Qui tacit consentire."

You went along with it.

[Gothmog]

13. Pence is balking at pardoning trump and his family

Pence is correct in believing that issuing such a pardon would be the kiss of death

Link to tweet

[Buckeyeblue]

14. Pence wants to be able to make a living

He sees Trump driving off a cliff and declines to follow.