When did this happen??????

[Ohioboy]

I went to the BMV today to renew my license and found out something I wasn't aware of. "Beginning October 1, 2021, the federal government will no longer consider standard driver licenses and identification cards as sufficient forms of identification for air travel. TSA will require a federally compliant driver license, identification card or another acceptable form of identification (such as a US passport or military ID) to fly within the U.S."

That's on the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicle website! When did that become a requirement? To get one they require all sorts of identification I didn't have, so I just got a "non-compliant" one till October.

This doesn't sound like the "land of the free" to me.

Am I the last to find out about this?

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

[underpants]

1. They move it back a year in Virginia due to the pandemic

DMV is by appointment only.

Real ID - there is an international standard that our state IDs didn’t meet.

[soothsayer]

2. It was supposed to happen this last October but...covid

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. The act passed in 2005, implementation started 6-7 years ago.

[Ohioboy]

8. I totally missed it!

Doesn't seem right to me. We should be able to travel freely within the United States!

[genxlib]

22. You are able to move freely within the US

Just not on a plane.

I have gone a step farther and gotten a known travelers number. For $85, fingerprints and a background check, you get to skip most of the TSA bullshit.

[Ohioboy]

24. To me that's not traveling freely if you can't choose how you want to travel

[genxlib]

29. You do you

I will gladly show who I am in order to make sure everyone else on the plane is who they say they are.

Small price to pay.

[Ohioboy]

32. I get your point

But what if someone uses a bunch of fake documents to get a "real ID"? I know you'll say it still makes it harder, but there are people who work really hard to get around things.

[brooklynite]

36. The point is that its not that easy to get "fake documents"

...much less the ones that are needed to validate a REAL ID Drivers License.

[genxlib]

37. There are no guarantees in life

But we can do as much as possible to make it hard for them. Which is what you said I would say.

But I would go farther to say, reducing that pool of people to the serious threats makes it possible for the FBI/CIA/et Cetera to concentrate their resources so that they don't have to worry as much about every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I am old enough to remember how airplane hijackings used to be a fairly regular occurrence. I can't think of any significant issues in the last decade. Making it harder actually helps.

[cwydro]

59. Just bring your passport.

Problem solved.

[ahoysrcsm]

53. Heh, TSA does what they want.

You can still get a "random" search or a pat down, even after fingerprint and background check.

[LuckyCharms]

4. I've known about it for awhile...

I just renewed my license. I just got the normal one. I can't see myself getting on a plane anytime soon.

[underpants]

7. What about the monoliths

and the teleporting...damn it I’m not supposed to talk about that. Never mind.

[Ohiogal]

25. LOL

[ProfessorGAC]

40. It's Ok To Talk About The Teleporters!

Just don't bring up the shape shifting thing!
Damn! Look what you made me do!

[underpants]

48. ❤️

[mshasta]

5. real ID was integrated here in California for the past year or so

[Abnredleg]

6. RealID legislation was passed in 2005

I got my RealID license in NC three years ago.

[abqtommy]

9. We've had secure ID here in New Mexico for 4 or 5 years. It sucks. I had to take in 4

different forms of ID and then the DMV folks helped me figure it out. It was worse for
my son's ID since he's blind and autistic and has no paperwork trail. There's lotsa griping
here.

[Rorey]

10. Colorado is compliant

So we're good, not that I'll be getting on a plane any time soon.

I also just renewed my passport a short time before the pandemic happened, thinking I was going to visit Canada again. I wonder if they'll ever let us in again.

[agingdem]

16. I live in Texas

and pre-covid I carried my passport with me when I travelled by plane just in case..

[Rorey]

20. I always did too

In fact, even on a road trip, I've always taken it, just in case.

[Mike 03]

11. Same issues here in Arizona

It's slowly being rolled out, but some of us don't yet have federally compliant DLs. A couple of years ago it was a big deal because we were being told we might not be able to fly to other states. I don't know where it stands now, because I haven't flown in a while.

[Buns_of_Fire]

12. Many states are migrating to the "real id" concept.

When I moved down here to Georgia, I had to bring my birth certificate, proof of residence, and other sundry bits of information.

[PoliticAverse]

13. They've been postponing final implementation for a few years due to states' lack of enthusiasm.

But the final deadline is nearing...

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

mplementation progress

As of April 2, 2008, all 50 states had either applied for extensions of the original May 11, 2008 compliance deadline or received unsolicited extensions.[22] As of October 2009, 25 states approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program. When President Obama selected Janet Napolitano (a prominent critic of the program) to head the Department of Homeland Security, the future of the law was considered uncertain, and bills were introduced into Congress to amend or repeal it. In 2009, the most recent of these, would have eliminated many of the more burdensome technological requirements but still require states to meet federal standards in order to have their ID cards accepted by federal agencies.

There are four planned phases, each one beginning with a "notification period". Noncompliant IDs continue to be accepted during the notification period, as well as afterwards if their respective state or territory is granted an extension, until a final deadline for all phases.

Phase 1: restricted areas at the DHS headquarters on Nebraska Avenue
January 20, 2014 – notification period
April 21, 2014 – enforcement, but extensions may be granted
Phase 2: restricted areas for all federal facilities and nuclear power plants
April 21, 2014 – notification period
July 21, 2014 – enforcement, but extensions may be granted
Phase 3: semi-restricted areas for remaining federal facilities
Phase 3a: facility security levels 1 and 2
October 20, 2014 – notification period
January 19, 2015 – enforcement, but extensions may be granted
Phase 3b: facility security levels 3, 4, and 5
July 13, 2015 – notification period
October 10, 2015 – enforcement, but extensions may be granted
Phase 4: air travel[25]
January 8, 2016 – notification period
January 22, 2018 – enforcement, but extensions may be granted
All phases
October 1, 2021 – extensions no longer granted

[LakeArenal]

14. WI wants marriage certificate too. Name change.

[FakeNoose]

15. It became a big deal in Pennsylvania, that's why we switched to "real ID"

The old form of photo ID for PA drivers licenses did have its problems. For example my pet peeve was that you had to sign your name with a digital pen on one of those computer screens. It never looked like my real signature that I'd write with a pen on paper. I hated those and I always used my passport for ID. Well I guess enough other people had the same problem and Pennsylvania finally started changing over to the "real ID" version on our drivers licenses. If anybody tries to corrupt it or duplicate it, it's immediately obvious.

People can always show their current US passport as an ID when voting.

[Deuxcents]

17. Florida was a nightmare for me

They wanted so much documentation for me..I was exasperated. I had to come back a couple of times as I don’t know where my divorce papers from 1971 are. I was lead to believe this over reach was b/c of 9-11.. I’ve been driving with a Florida license since I was 18 n it was like I did not exist. My friend in Ohio just told me about her adventures with this change..

[BlueMTexpat]

18. RealID has been a regular part

of renewing one's driver's license in MD. I renewed mine in 2019, which was earlier than it was due, in order to get the RealID. I was told that I still have to renew the license again on the original date due, but won't have to submit all the RealID paperwork again.

It is indeed a national requirement for air travel in the US, unless you have a passport or other acceptable ID.

[genxlib]

19. Florida has been issuing compliant IDs for over a decade

Got mine in 2013

[Ms. Toad]

21. I got mine more than a year ago.

I was the first in the family to get the new license.

I've been hoping that going through this process will finally wake up some people who keep insisting that real voter IDs are a trivial matter to get.

[Ohioboy]

23. So to get a "real ID" you need to show other ID that's what...not real?

There's is something about this that I don't like. We should not have to have special documentation to travel within our own borders. The voting thing is a concern too. When will the old id not be enough?

[Ms. Toad]

31. As far as I know a change is not on the horizon for Ohio.

But it is a major move toward voter suppression to require a photo ID - for which you generally need to prove your citizenship (with a formal birth or naturalization document) and trace any name changes you might have had from birth to obtaining the ID

Obraining (or maintaining the records if you once had them) are far harder for anyone who doesn't have access to steady housing. It's also harder for women (who tend to change names - some repeatedly - and each must be documented by a certified document). It's harder for older blacks who were often born at home using a midwife, some of whom were actively discouraged from regisering the births of black. Etc. etc. etc.

As to travel - it isn't really travel within our own borders so much as travel on a plane (which has been turned into a deadly weapon). I'm less concerned about travel than voting. So far, Ohio only requires proof of residence, not ID.

[machoneman]

63. Yes, the Trumpers have turned this into a voter suppression issue.

Aside from not being able to fly, just watch the long game the R-Scums have in mind. Future photo I.D. laws in red states will require a Real I.D. to vote.

Imagine the college kids and old folks trying to get a Real I.D. easily. Imagine denying the vote to any minority who only offer a standard drivers license.

Welcome to voter supression tactic 3,475!

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. This has been in the works for a very long time now.

And has been the subject of any number of threads here on DU. I'm just surprised you had somehow managed not to notice this.

I renewed my DL on line back in September, and since I did it that way it couldn't be a "Real ID" one. However, I have a passport which I always have with me.

Not that I expect to do much flying any time soon. As it is, since 9/11 and the bullshit of the TSA, I've been very reluctant to fly. I know that their stuff is simply security theater and next to useless.

Another use for time travel would be to go back to before 1971 and fly without any security nonsense.

[Ohioboy]

28. I'm surprised I missed it too, maybe I just didn't understand it

Four years ago when I got the license I just renewed they never said anything to me about it.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. Depending on what state you live in.

Some states went full Real ID several years ago. Others have gotten delays, as has my state, New Mexico. I'm thinking I'll just stick with the regular license into the foreseeable future, as I expect always to have a valid passport. I also keep my Passport Card in my wallet. It's good for travel to Canada or Mexico or the Caribbean by car or boat, so is very convenient if you're on a cruise that stops in any of those places.

[snowybirdie]

27. If you have

A valid passport, you don't need to get a real ID. Use it instead.

[PatSeg]

30. I don't have the forms of identification

that my state requires either. It is a bit over-the-top for retired people like me or students living at home with their parents.

[GoCubsGo]

33. Here in SC, the compliant one is another 12 bucks, plus you have to show a birth certificate/

Probably some other hoops to jump, as well. I will probably just shell out the money to have my passport renewed, even though I can't afford travel overseas.

[MineralMan]

34. Passport. Get one.

[CTyankee]

35. I agree. We got ours renewed before Covid. The Post Office has the application forms!

It couldn't be easier!

[MineralMan]

64. Costs about $100 per person, though.

It's inconvenient for many people right now.

My wife and I renewed ours a couple of years ago. She has the driver's license that lets her fly. I do not, since mine came up for renewal after the COVID-19 pandemic started. Minnesota temporarily let drivers renew the license they had for the usual 4 years online, so I did it that way, but you couldn't get the Real ID one that way. I'll be traveling using my passport after the deadline, I guess.

I suspect this deadline, though, will be pushed back once again due to the pandemic.

[Initech]

39. I got my passport and authenticated license just before COVID hit.

And even paid extra to have my passport expedited. Because I was supposed to be going to Canada at the end of March, now I don't know when that trip is ever going to happen. Thanks Trump!

[ProfessorGAC]

41. My Passport Expires In 22 Months

I'll probably renew it, just in case.
As much as I traveled when working, I'm not inclined to even THINK ABOUT flying.
But, when COVID is over, we might want to drive to Niagara Falls.
My wife has never been there.

[smirkymonkey]

42. I just recently realized that my MA State ID expired in July of this year.

I never really have to use it, especially these days, so I just totally forgot about it. I don't drive so I don't have a drivers license and my passport expired two years ago.

I don't think I will have to fly again for work until maybe Sept 2021, so as long as I get a new one by then, I think I will be fine, but I wonder, since I now have no form of legitimate ID that is NOT expired. I wish I didn't hate to fly so much, because I love to travel. It's just getting there that is the problem.

[a kennedy]

43. Yup, I just renewed my in September and didn't get the "special" one....

I’m going to have to get an original copy of my birth certificate because I only have a copy of it and that is not an acceptable form of ID......we need 4 total items.

[doc03]

44. I got mine in Ohio February 2020. It wasn't any big deal I had to give them some ID I don't

remember now DD214? Birth certificate? Passport? They took my papers then returned them with my license in a few days.
You can tell them you aren't going to fly.

[Captain Zero]

45. Been going on over a year.

nt

[Baclava]

47. Yes, I renewed my drivers license on-line, you now get a 'gold star' on it for Real ID compliance

I'm good for 8 years in FL

[Renew Deal]

49. It's been getting attention over the last few years.

In theory, you can ignore it if you have a passport. I think it's easier to get a real ID if you fly at all.

[aikoaiko]

50. I think I got my Real ID in 2012. They've been warning about cracking down for a long time.

Just set up my 15-year-old with a learner's permit with all the Real ID requirements.

[LeftInTX]

51. I got mine on Nov 6th

Here's the deal: I thought I had to renew my license in 2020.

So I get a new Rx for my vision
I schedule an appoint online
I read about all this documentation that was required...WTF?
I ask hubby if he needed all this documentation when he renewed...He said, "No, that's probably for first time and not renewal"
Nevertheless, I gather up all this stuff and take it with me.

Sure enough, I needed all this stuff for "Real ID"...
The bad news: I don't need to renew until 2022

I got my Real ID, but I'm gonna have to worry about my eyes again and I have to pay again in 2022. However, my passport was expiring, so I now my Real ID.

I read you also need it to visit any federal property: Courthouse, IRS, SSA...WTF???

[Warren_Pointe]

52. If I recall correctly

you will also need such an "enhanced" ID to enter a federal building. I figure that means courthouse. IRS, and I don't know what else.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

54. In MI (dunno about elsewhere) there is Real ID, then there is Enhanced.

Real ID licenses are good enough to get on airplanes. I'd bet they will get you into federal buildings.

Enhanced ID licenses contain some kind of RFID chip, and can be used to cross to and from Canada instead of a passport. If, that is, if Canada ever opens its border again.

[Warren_Pointe]

65. I need to read all these comments

from the nationwide posters because sure enough, it'll be "Your papers, please!" before too long. And I'd hate to get stuck in kentucky or alabama without the requisite transit stamp.

[pfitz59]

55. I use my passport for travel

even inside the US. Easier.

[Meowmee]

56. I remember something about that when I got my new license

but I opted for the non federal one. I never fly and if I do I will just bring my passport.

[cwydro]

57. They announced this years ago.

I got mine in 2017 I think, maybe earlier.

[Demonaut]

58. awhile back

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

60. I have a passport. Don't need a Real ID.

Don't want a Real ID.

My passport and regular driver's license is as real as I get.

[Boogiemack]

62. Must we complain about everything. Real ID is no biggie and much less expensive than Passport.

It makes sense to me. I have one and it was simple to get. You have choices on documents to verify your identity. What does freedom have to do with it? There are more plusses to having real ID than no.

I don't understand the complaints from supposedly law abiding citizens. No doubt most of the complainers are also anti-vaccers, anti-maskers, anti-gun registration. anti-taxers too. The Libertarian shit goest too far. And they are the first to complain about other people taking a breath.

[DVRacer]

61. My issue here in Oklahoma is

They have really botched the roll out surprise surprise. It is expensive for many and the documentation requirements are high. We are a voter ID state and talk is being suggested that a real ID will be required for the 2022 election cycle. This will hurt turnout because of the expense to get one. I can use my military retirement ID as those are considered real ID but many others will struggle to meet the requirements. Republicans will use this in many other states.