Okay, I'll say it: I have no problem with Trump going on a firing-spree in the government.

[DetlefK]

Why?

Because then Biden can go on a firing-spree in government as well.

Fire anybody who entered DoD, DoJ and what not during Trump's administration.

Anybody.

Starting with the people Trump brought into government between election-day and inauguration.

And replace them with Democrats.




Let the Republicans howl in fake outrage:

1. Republicans have no principles to begin with, so their counter-arguments don't carry any moral/ethical gravity anyways.

2. No matter what the Republicans are complaining about that Biden is doing, the Biden-administration can just turn around and pull out an example how Trump was worse.
(I STRONGLY believe that we will very quickly (summer 2021) come to a point in the Biden-administration where the Republicans ask the Democrats to stop talking about the Trump-administration.)

[pfitz59]

1. I agree. Hired between 2017 and 2020?

You're fired!

[orwell]

2. Replace them with competent professionals...

...their party affiliation is secondary.

We need a government that works, especially now.

[DetlefK]

3. HAHAHA! Nope. There is no point in playing by the rules if the other side doesn't play by the rules.

McConnell has already labeled the Democrats as breaking rules, as governing and negotiating in ill will. That's what he cites as an excuse for his own rule-breaking, his own ill will.

And people are not irreplacable: For any Republican you can find a Democrat who is as good at the job.

There is no reason whatsoever to give Republicans any leeway, any slack:
1. Republican voters won't care about it anyways if Biden goes bipartisan.
2. Republicans won't care about it anyways if Biden goes bipartisan.
3. On a technical, talent-based level any Democrat will be as good as any Republican.

[eShirl]

4. I WANT COMPETENT PROFESSIONALS IN MY GOVERNMENT.

[MyOwnPeace]

7. I first heard this quote.......

on a marvelous old show (1965-68), "Run for Your Life" starring Ben Gazzara.

"With reasonable men, I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost."

William Lloyd Garrison

[DeminPennswoods]

5. Political appointees are hired under a different civil service

schedule than garden variety civil servants like I was. OPM should be able to easily identify them via personnel actions even if they've managed to burrow in. Nothing happens in the federal gov't without a corresponding personnel action.

[KPN]

9. Exactly. And there is nothing unusual whatsoever about

federal political appointees being terminated and replaced by the incoming administration, especially when it involves a party change. ... Some do and have burrowed in, but these can and will be uncovered as you say. Biden’s agency chiefs will need to be willing to do that work however. I don’t see Biden threatening those who don’t with their own firing — which is classic tRump process, so maybe some will survive. They will nevertheless be effectively neutered by the power structure under the Biden admin regardless.

[BComplex]

15. Not to mention all the taleneted people at DOJ who couldn't work with Barr being so crooked.

We lost a lot of talent in the trump era.

[COL Mustard]

19. I'm Rank and File Within DOD

The Schedule Cs and the political appointees will all be asked to resign by January 20 and those who don’t will be terminated. They don’t have Civil Service protection like we do. As for firing everyone who came in to the Government during that time, you really don’t want us going back down the road to the spoils system.

Once we get the politicals out, we’ll be fine.

[DeminPennswoods]

23. Yep

There might be some who are converted to the new schedule F, but they can be fired.

[COL Mustard]

30. My Concern Is That We'll All Be Converted To Schedule F

I really hope that gets undone, and quickly in the new administration. Otherwise, we're heading back to the spoils system.

[DeminPennswoods]

33. OPM should be able to back up and see what schedule

you were before you were converted. In fact, each agency's HR dept is going to know who was converted from what previous status. It would be easy enough to send out a directive that everyone is converted back once the EO is cancelled.

[KPN]

27. Yup.

[Boogiemack]

6. I said this months ago right after Biden won. And Biden's firings should go really deep..

Outgoing administrations have a way of hiding their operatives in lower but influential levels within the government. First Biden needs to start with the OPM where the personnel policies are generated and enforced. Processing of all kinds of benefits for Feds and others takes place there. Between Social Security Admin and the OPM fully on third of the economic situation in the US is at stake.

Faithful Civil Servants know where the bodies lie. Engage them to point out where. They know.

I just heard from a friend who is employed by a major Fed biomedical research agency that at the end of the month there will be sweeping retirements by long-term, dedicated civil employs who had put in plans to retire because of what is happening within their agency at the hands of Trump appointees and hires. They are sick of it. One way to find out what is going on and where is to schedule exit interviews from these people. It can be done voluntarily before or even after they officially retire.

In fact, it may be a good idea for the Bien/Harrise admin hold several non-public interviews with career civil servants who left their government jobs under duress and disgust within the past two years. This can be done agency by agency under new agency management. It can be voluntary with a call to arms to former employees. OPM is the ticket for doing this. Anyone here who has an in with any of the influential incoming Biden team, please pass this suggestion on to them.

[KPN]

11. Hey, no intended criticism here. Just struck me how

surreal the past month has been. The election was exactly 32 days ago, so you didn’t say this months ago — it just seems like months.

[DeminPennswoods]

24. Send it to Neera Tanden

[djacq]

8. Clean House of every Trump Appointee.

[vlyons]

10. Fire every Trump appopintment since Day 1 of Trump's regime

They all hate gov. So get rid of every one of them.

[ouija]

12. Yup, there are no rules

Besides, Republicans will go full shameless and be outraged no matter what Biden does so...there are no rules.

[DetlefK]

21. Exactly. Republicans will be outraged no matter what.

[twodogsbarking]

14. We fired him

he is getting even. Life in Trumpworld. Who will carry his luggage?

[paleotn]

18. One carries their own "luggage" at Attica.

[paleotn]

17. ICE and C&BP, Donnie's proto-Gestapo and SS

should be gutted to the framing and rebuilt at best. How much gutting depends on the extent of fascist rot. If it's not salvageable, bulldoze the site and start fresh.

[Escurumbele]

20. The fact is that it takes much longer to build than to destroy

I would have preferred for the buffoon to do one noble thing in his life and not go in a rampage hurting the country. I have to think that Putin is guiding him, and many republicans with their little flags on their lapels are wittingly carrying out the orders. They are all traitors, I cannot describe them any other way.

The twin towers took a eleven (11) years to build, but it only took one day to bring them down.

I just hope that people inside, who are patriots, are taking notice of the destruction these traitors are perpetrating, information that may help the reconstruction process, and to also use that it to prosecute the SOBs.

[crickets]

28. +1

Belated welcome to DU, Escurumbele.

[Escurumbele]

29. Thank you

[bucolic_frolic]

22. Trump is establishing his "Drained the Swamp" bona fides for 2024

I doubt it will matter. Age him 4 years. He's still an impeached, 2-time popular vote loser whose chaos factored in the death of hundreds of thousands and for all we know millions of American citizens. Sell that.

[dalton99a]

26. Biden should get rid of every Trump appointee in January.

They are nothing but a bunch of traitors, grifters and liars.

[COL Mustard]

31. All The Political Appointees Will Have To Resign

I've seen it at the change of other administrations. Sometimes it's not pretty. An Assistant Secretary who has asked to be held over because he cares about the mission gets told at 2:00 that he has to be out by 5:00, and turn in your ID card and parking permit on the way out.

[COL Mustard]

32. But They All Serve At The Pleasure Of The President

So it comes with the territory. Most of them will end up in lobbying or consulting jobs anyway, some will go to academia.

I hear Liberty University is hiring.

(OK, that was mean)