Maddow Blog: It was not close. It, in fact, was a historic defeat for an incumbent president.

[kpete]

Not only will Donald Trump be the only president to have lost the popular vote twice, Joe Biden got a greater percentage of the vote against an incumbent president than anyone since 1932.

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[JI7]

1. And that's after he tried to cheat . Imagine the numbers without the cheating

[Botany]

2. I think he lost by a much bigger margin and he really lost states that "he won" thanx to the ...

.... machines. Remember he had Karl Rove helping him.

[yardwork]

13. It wasn't the machines this time, it was voter suppression.

[Botany]

17. No doubt we had voter suppression but we did have an all time record vote too.

I don't think the polls were that far off prior to the election and now that the
election is over those same polls at the same levels.

[quakerboy]

37. No reason it couldnt be both

and more.

In addition to talking about machines flipping a certain percent of votes, the R's are all on about duplicated ballots and dead voters and out of state voters. Usual rule with them is what they accuse of is what they have done.

[helpisontheway]

39. Right..we are lucky we found out about his USPS scheme with Dejoy

They thought everyone would mail the ballots so they destroyed sorting machines. They wanted a huge mess. Then they wanted to limit how long after the election that ballots could be accepted. However, once many of us found out what Trump/Dejoy were doing we dropped the ballots off in person and at drop boxes. Plus so many stood in long lines despite the pandemic. And that is why Trump is mad. The voter suppression did not work enough to flip the election in his favor.

[Neema]

29. That's why they're all so incredulous. They thought they'd done enough cheating and they STILL

lost, what a kick in the teeth.

[Cha]

32. Maggots Even fucking Botched that

Up!

For which I am eternally Grateful!

[mobeau69]

4. Tried? He surely did cheat but it wasn't enough. nt

[olegramps]

5. If the Republicans want to know who attempted to rig the election they only need a mirror.

One aspect of this that continues to amaze me is why any minority would vote for a party that has used every means they can think of to suppress their right to vote.

[JI7]

7. minorities vote for republicans for the same reason white people do. They are bigoted against some

other group.

[OldBaldy1701E]

8. Right?

I am still amazed that there is a single female or black person left in the state of South Carolina after the crap LadyG said. But, some people cannot see the forest for the trees...

[CurtEastPoint]

9. those remarks it made are disgusting:

He went on to say: “If you’re a young, African American or an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state, you just need to be conservative, not liberal.”

[OldBaldy1701E]

11. How I wish...

that the referred to population of that state would have taken him at his word and left right then. I would have loved to watch all the privileged trying to do what most of us do every day, and then watching them try to come up with reasons to get them to return. That would have been funny as all get out.

[luv2fly]

3. I keep reading this belief

As well as reading that but for a few counties in a few states, it would all have been for naught. In my opinion we barely scraped out a win since the popular vote counts for so little.

[JI7]

6. But the popular vote still matters and we need to make it matter by not dismissing it

Votes of White People should not count more than non white votes .

[malaise]

10. Another DUer pointed out yesterday that he is the first incumbent to lose

without a third party messing things up.

BIGGEST FUCKING LOSER!

[lastlib]

24. Not sure about this....

1980, our dear Jimmy Carter lost by a big popular-vote margin. Even if he had gotten all of Anderson's votes, he still would have lost..

Also, no third-party candidate of note in 1840 when Harrison defeated Van Buren.

[malaise]

25. I think the post said since Carter

My bad

[lastlib]

28. oh--never mind, then!

Obviously I didn't read the post you referred to--bad on me!

back atcha!

[Cha]

33. Ohh Excellent Point! Biggest LOSER

EVAR!

[yardwork]

12. The popular vote tally matches the pre-election polls fairly well.

It's the Electoral College that makes our system so undemocratic, by giving disproportionate power to voters in less populated states.

Why should a voter in Montana have 20 times the voting power of somebody in California? It should be one voter = one vote.

[dsc]

14. She is wrong about one part of this

Trump isn't the first president to lose the popular vote twice, he is the third. In 1824 and 1828 John Quincy Adams ran for President winning the election in the House in 1824 (he lost to Jackson in the popular vote) and losing both the EV and popular vote to Andrew Jackson in 1828. In 1888 Benjamin Harrison ran against Grover Cleveland (incumbent seeking reelection) and won the EV despite losing the popular vote. In 1892 Grover Cleveland ran against him and won both the popular vote and the EV.

[Buckeyeblue]

15. This is big. And decisive.

That's what makes the challenges almost comical. What makes them scary is the same thing...so called serious challenges to a victory that is unquestionable.

I still want to understand Florida. How were the polls so wrong there?

[Botany]

20. I still want to understand Florida. How were the polls so wrong there?

And in OH in the Presidential election and in Maine and S. Carolina's senate races too.

[rocktivity]

22. You can rest assured that Trump's legal challenges (and possible 2024 campgain declaration)

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[malaise]

26. Nailed it

[Blue Owl]

16. K&R

Now shut the hell up Donny, take your wiffle ball and your red plastic bat, and fucking GO HOME you idiot

[SpankMe]

18. Jeesus - over 7M vote diff., now

I wasn't aware that threshold had been surpassed. Historic, indeed.

[BobTheSubgenius]

19. Things weren't so great in 1932, either.

Nice going, you imbecile. You have to go back to the Great Depression to find greater public enmity.

[roscoeroscoe]

21. Iknowrite!!!!!!?

Eom

[Withywindle]

38. Not only has Trump made Nixon look better in hindsight

He was lousy enough to make people fondly think of HOOVER.

[rocktivity]

23. In addition, Trump lost the popular vote by more than TWICE as much as he did last time

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14647076


rocktivity

[Cha]

31. That's a good sign!

[gopiscrap]

27. Biden actually probably won by 10 million

when you take account of the vote flipping by machines, voter suppression in addition to plain ballot non-delivery by trump's fucking with the USPS

[Cha]

30. Rt TY! Those of us who wanted Joe

Biden from the beginning because of Winning were ,I'm grateful to say.. Absolutely Dead ON! :gropuhug:

[Yavin4]

34. Donald Trump will be the only president that lost the popular vote twice and impeached once.

IOW, Trump is that dog poo on your shoe that took a few tries to get it off.

[lagomorph777]

35. gum on cat; booger on finger; in-law in guest room...

[Yavin4]

36. That stain in the bathtub. n/