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Here is my issue with the whole, let us all be a United States again that we heard from Joe Biden.
For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
The problem is 72+ million of us have memories longer than a hamster.
We remember the womens march (vagina hats and all) the day after inauguration.
We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
We remember not our president and the Resistance
We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out a restaurant.
We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.
We remember riots, and looting
We remember a comedian holding up the Presidents severed head
We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump
We remember Robert de Niro yelling F" Trump at the Tonys and getting a standing ovation.
We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media
We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
We remember five Senators shot on a ballfield.
We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.
This list is endless, but you get the idea.
My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me! Come on ya'l know its true
dware
(18,181 posts)wcmagumba
(6,636 posts)Girard442
(6,917 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)facebook helps stay in touch
Girard442
(6,917 posts)There doesn't seem to be any Harry Potter magic spell to make it easier. If there was, I'd be using it.
GoneOffShore
(18,035 posts)Functions very useful.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Ive never used Facebook and have no problem keeping in touch with my family.
And I have no desire to hear from the MAGAT side of the family.
But you do you and Ill do me.
Have a great day.
Politicub
(12,335 posts)Unfollow will make your life better.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I write people like that off very easily.
doc03
(39,184 posts)58Sunliner
(6,411 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)but I feel like this piece of BS should be challenged because they are congratulating each other
Kaleva
(40,435 posts)That 72 million figure they came up with isn't close to reality. While Trump may have gotten that many votes, many have moved on with life. The never forget Mayas are a small percentage and you can see that by the small numbers that shoe up for the Stop The Steal protests.
An example is that about 260k in Wayne County voted for Trump but only about 200 of them bothered to show up for a pro Trump protest in Detroit after the election. Over 2 million in MI voted for Trump but only 500 showed up for a protest at the state capitol in Lansing.
ahoysrcsm
(1,167 posts)Personally I think the ballot harvesting was full blown across the country. We just never heard about it. So many Dark Discords out there, I hope the FBI is keeping track.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And why bring their garbage here?
Must have taken you some time to type up that list.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)and I've lost 5 family members in the last 24 months including 3 this year...and I'm hoping there is life after Trump so I don't want to block them...
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Like, well, the election is over, and the nation is moving on, just like after every election. See you on the other side.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Every 4 years, someone wins and someone loses, just like in the Super Bowl. And no matter how much we love our team , we know after fourth quarter or overtime, we have to accept it when we've lost by two touchdowns and a field goal. That's about how much Trump lost by, and he can complain all he likes about the refs and the astroturf and the crowd, but he lost.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)it might be my best option
dawg day
(7,947 posts)"Last time, we were upset too. But we didn't just get mad and file losing lawsuits and post on Facebook. We organized, recruited, fundraised, and most importantly, voted. And we won. Maybe it's time for Trump followers to start focusing on 2024."
By which time, WE know, but are too polite to say, Trump will be gibbering in a gilded cage in Ivanka's backyard, or in a jail cell.
Delphinus
(12,557 posts)a most helpful response to a lot of things. I often have conversation with others who are Repubs; this gives a factual response. Thank you!
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mucifer
(25,729 posts)They are a death cult.
Discussing WHY we hate him so much I think is important. Ok I wouldn't tell someone they are in a death cult.
But, issues are what is important.
How can they spend so much time on Bengazi and ignore what trump has done with covid.
arlyellowdog
(1,430 posts)They are trying to remind you of the losing. Dont fall for it. Just know Victory is Sweet!
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)which probably says something not too good about my own character
Mossfern
(4,780 posts)you can remind them of the Birther movement and Trump's involvement
you can remind them of Trump's ignoring the Covid pandemic and the resulting deaths
you can remind them of Charlottesville and the "both sides" comment
I'm sure there are many here who can give you plenty of issues that they seem to not remember or have erased from their memory of the conduct of the MAGA followers over the past four years.
Happy Hoosier
(9,625 posts)Settles a fraud lawsuit for $25M. Banned from running a charity in NY due to charity fraud. Bought a beauty pagen so he could walk in to inspect as tue women and girls were disrobed. Doesnt pay contractors. Bankrupts businesses. Hes an obvious conman and they were victimized by him. They can get over that, or buy into a con.
GemDigger
(4,380 posts)If they are using the left for reasons to support him then they should have a list of things he has done right.
Then, when they list the things he has done right, you can list the things that he has fucked up (a much longer list) that fox news and am radio didn't tell them about.
Or you can list all the terrible things the republicans did to President Obama.
Keep them as friends but don't follow them and save your mind. That way when you are ready you can go to their page and see their insanity.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 6, 2020, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)
It featured a crying Billy facing an obviously stern and displeased mother, pointing at Dolly and explaining "She started it when she hit me back!"
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)humor helps. thank you
ananda
(35,514 posts)They are too irrational and angry to have a conversation with.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)but I'm not feeling good about letting them spread the bullshit
CrispyQ
(41,098 posts)
onenote
(46,228 posts)Admitting to assaulting women.
Mocking the disabled.
Calling John McCain a loser.
Mocking those with the courage to serve by equating his promiscuity to service in Vietnam.
Mocking numerous women based on their appearance.
Separating children from their families and locking them up.
Condoning and encouraging violence against protesters.
Condoning and encouraging violence against the media.
Labelling news outlets and others as "enemies of the people."
Lying about the seriousness of the coronavirus
Undermining his own medical experts on how to minimize the virus' death toll.
Showing no empathy towards the millions of Americans impacted by the virus.
Lying about [fill in the blank -- there are thousands of options].
Others can add to the list.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)He had EIGHT years of shit.
They are the ones that are tit for tat.
They are the ones that say we have ours, fuck the rest of you.
Bring up the pictures of the Ho on the WH
They are the ones who hate America and should leave.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)its on the vein of what I was hoping to do
JHB
(38,337 posts)How many Clinton "scandals" turned out to be puffed-up horseshit? Accusations made on thin stories and trumpeted by conservative media to create constant headlines about Clinton's "criminality" or just highlight how the Clintons were awful people who hated America. And it drove the believers nuts because except for lying about Lewinsky there was nothing they could bring to court. Years and years of repeated investigations, and all they got was headlines. The Salome Caucus never brought them the head of Bill the Clinton.
For that matter, you can remind them how they acted when Bush was in charge. I certainly remember the accusations of "wanting the terrorists to win" when pointing out what didn't add up about Bush's "We have to attack Saddam now! Now Now Now!" stance. we were, of course, right.
Conservatives have spend the last 50 years carefully nurturing grievances while completely bewildered by why anyone else might be a bit testy about their own rancid behavior.
Siwsan
(27,891 posts)blm
(114,763 posts)certainly didnt like it.
And a lot of those claims are you just admitting that youre the real snowflakes.
This isnt said to you, obviously, but as a response to THEM.
Ask them if they made a list of the attacks on Obama and Dems throughout his terms and why they bring guns and artillery to every event. They set up a bunker mentality years ago and then whine when they get pushback.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)and list all the actual harm that trump has wrought
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)They're shocked
Mariana
(15,630 posts)Here's what I did with a few relatives who whined about stuff like in the list above. First I asked them to describe to me how they vigorously objected to all the attempts to demonize President Obama, his family, and his supporters. Predictably, they lied and insisted that no such thing ever happened during Obama's campaigns and presidency. So, I provided them with a few of their own previous posts and emails from them spreading hatred during Obama's time. Then I ridiculed them relentlessly for their blatant hypocrisy and lies.
Grins
(9,523 posts)Ive done the same. Does. Not. Work.
Mariana
(15,630 posts)They obviously get some kind of deep satisfaction from feeling persecuted for their faith in Trump.
gulliver
(14,075 posts)If Trump had been a decent man as president (and his followers had been decent people and insisted on that), most if not all of the stuff "they remember" would not have happened. They don't seem to remember what motivated the things they remember.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)they have grievances...their women left them....and they lost in the divorces
gulliver
(14,075 posts)But because they don't want to think more deeply about the past, they are doomed to repeat their mistake.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)
Baitball Blogger
(52,720 posts)that will benefit people that don't look like them.
I say that cautiously, because the meme that I read came off a black conservative's facebook page.
Doesn't look like it's going well for him.
Squinch
(60,071 posts)I'm reminded the "Thank you sir may I have another" scene in Animal House.
That's trumpers. And given that they're self-culling now anyway, why bother fighting with them.
judesedit
(4,602 posts)judesedit
(4,602 posts)The only response should be to fact check the list one by one and then post the list of damages and atrocities committed by their dear leader.
ck4829
(38,093 posts)The only response you need.
Squinch
(60,071 posts)hatrack
(65,148 posts)But IIRC, it has "block", "unfriend" and "unfollow" functions.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)The overall message there is about a grudge and bias against the left. That's all. There is nothing constructive. That's the RW echo chamber of endless celebration Festivus with an airing of grievances.
Remember that social media can be an amplifier for people who want to push a message and a view. It is not necessarily a representation of real life demographics.
If you know that, then you can resist taking the bait.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)their BS message. I know I don't have to respond...
gibraltar72
(7,631 posts)with original thought. I ask them what 3 things Trump did to make their life better. They usually have something he said he did not actually did.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)What you did to Jimmy Carter
What you did to Bill and Hillary Clinton
What you did to Barack Obama
What Democrats "did" to Trump pales in comparison.
Efilroft Sul
(4,463 posts)Nexus2
(1,261 posts)I DON'T remember allot of that stuff.
But hey, I'm fine with not trying to be 'one America' anymore. Lets indict the Orange Bastard.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)before the election trying to make a dent in their support.
But they are not listening.
Nexus2
(1,261 posts)Its the set up for a pity party, an online Festivus celebration (sans the Feats of Strength).
Kahuna
(27,372 posts)He who laughs first laughs last.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)and largely clueless....
Silent3
(15,909 posts)The great majority of it is "They protested Trump and Republicans! How dare they!"
The rest is either bullshit, or pretty weak sauce compared to things Trump and Trump supporters have done.
History will show we didn't protest against Trump nearly enough.
packman
(16,296 posts)lpbk2713
(43,299 posts)This is obviously for their own internal consumption.
No one who has access to the truth can possibly take any of this seriously.
And friends? Hatemongers have no friends. Only acquaintances.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Here is my issue with the whole, let us all be a United States again that we heard from Joe Biden.
For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
The problem is 72+ million of us have memories longer than a hamster.
Really? This truly is a shock.
We remember the womens march (vagina hats and all) the day after inauguration.
Its called dissent. Which you dont seem to like unless you do it.
We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
Impeachment plural? Hmm. Anyway, if Trump hadnt acted like a criminal asshole, he wouldnt have gotten impeacheds, or been attacked.
We remember not our president and the Resistance
We remember Michelle is a man/gorilla, and Obama is a Muslim Kenyan terrorist
We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
We remember Trumpers defacing Jewish graveyards and telling American citizens to go back where they came from.
We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out a restaurant.
We remember Trump supporters yelling lock her up.
We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
I dont. But I do remember thousands of Trump supporters calling a stupid white kid who killed two people a hero.
We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.
You mean the people who re-enacted George Floyds death? Or the schoolteacher who posed semi-nude with a flag and guns? Those people?
We remember riots, and looting
We remember people who didnt give a damn that a cop knelt on a black mans neck until he died.
We remember a comedian holding up the Presidents severed head.
A comedian who paid for it with a ruined career.
We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump.
I got nothin on this one. Dont even remember it.
We remember Robert de Niro yelling F" Trump at the Tonys and getting a standing ovation.
We remember Trumpers forcing a bus off the road and endangering peoples lives.
We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
We remember Trump shitting on the constitution.
We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media.
Except for Fox, OANN, all the media up Trumps ass.
We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
LOL. If Yall didnt lie, it wouldnt be a problem.
We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
Right. Those that arent OANN, Fox, etc.
We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
We remember them being investigated for possibly colluding with Russia.
We remember five Senators shot on a ballfield.
This is why we have so little respect for yall. Cant even get your facts right. Five PEOPLE, not senators. NO senator was shot, in fact. It was a congressman, one congressman. And the perp was caught and punished.
We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
EVERY president is roasted by comedy shows. Only Trump is such a little baby man he cant take it. Neither can his baby followers.
We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
Except, of course, in OANN, Fox, etc. Twenty-four hour adoration is the only thing youll stand for.
We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
You mean the governor who had to buy PPE from China?
We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
You mean the aide (learn how to spell) whose department ripped children from their parents' arms at the border?
We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
We remember people who plotted to kidnap a governor and livestream executions.
We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
Thats what happens when you call the other side every name in the book. You dont get a pass. Buck up, snowflakes.
We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.
This is just your imagination.
This list is endless, but you get the idea.
I get the idea that no one is a bigger baby than a Trumper.
My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me! Come on ya'l know its true.
Heres something that IS true. Trump lost. Get over it.
Room for improvement, obviously.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)If you don't mind, I think I can start with this an personalize it...
Like Trump sending broken ventilations to California (where I live) and Trump ignoring wildfires...
shrike3
(5,370 posts)nuxvomica
(14,208 posts)That's just for starters. You could add the number of children separated from their families, held in cages and their families' contact info withheld from NGOs trying to reunite them. The number of people killed, threatened or physically attacked by Trump supporters. Here's a partial list that only goes to 8/2019, not including the Minneapolis Precinct 3 fire set by Trump supporters.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2019/aug/28/in-the-name-of-trump-supporters-attacks-database
There's so much more. COVID-19 is a whole project in itself.
But seriously, some of these aren't even good arguments:
"We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters." That's bad?
And I don't recall this one:
"We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed."
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)I'll see what I can put together
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)We might have treated them better. So they got what they earned.
Grins
(9,523 posts)I get these all the time.
And, per usual, its unsigned.
No one knows who wrote it.
And its projection.
Dont even bother trying to point out the bullshittery to them. They will just believe all the more!
edhopper
(37,521 posts)but responding with facts won't do anything.
I have stopped responding to "friend' on facebook" who post this kind of thing, they aren't looking for a conversation.
You could ask him to name the five Senators shot on a ballfield.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)but I don't find them to be strictly factual on facebook
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)I'm a new-found, read the nyt everyday, etc never heard of a play like that
Grins
(9,523 posts)Brought up to-date with suits and ties vs. togas and tunics. Caesar looked much like Trump, so the people on the Reich for whom outrage is an every day occurrence freaked out.
What is not mentioned in this Gish Gallop is two people rushed the stage disrupting the performance.
One was ambulatory Reich-wing hate/conspiracy factory, Jack Posobiec. The other was crackpot Laura Loomer.
Both were oddly silent about the Obama version of THE SAME PLAY in 2012. Imagine that?
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BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,436 posts)No one cares. Tell them youll give them the same regard as Trump gave to the millions of people who didnt support him.
Iggo
(50,056 posts)Me? Id cut em loose and never look back. But you obviously dont want to do that.
If youre not going to block them, then for the same reason dont try to knock their asses down.
Grin and bear it.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)cojoel
(1,027 posts)Particularly starting around 2:20
Mossfern
(4,780 posts)"Fuck your feelings" t-shirts.
It may suffice to just post the image of MAGATs wearing those.
There have been lots of good suggestions here.
I don't agree that this post should be ignored and I do like the idea of addressing and challenging all of their "accusations."
BTW, "pussy hats" were cats ears, not vaginas (or more properly vulvas) Apparently none of them has ever seen a real one.
FoxNewsSucks
(11,919 posts)that history DID NOT start 4 years ago, and remind them of all the lies, threats, insults and harassment that liberals have endured from MAGAt teabagger types for decades.
Liberals finally had enough and give some of it back to them and they don't like it? Tough shit.
Fuck the rightwing snowflakes and their delicate lwiddle feelings.
MythosMaster
(449 posts)Big long list that try and baffle you with garbage. Reminds me of this one.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213030656
Vinca
(54,332 posts)time in office that did not have to happen. I would ask if they recognize any friends and family in the food lines. I would ask if it's okay to grift people like themselves out of millions of dollars under false pretenses. But, of course, none of this will matter to them. Another cult followed their leader to a foreign country and drank poison and I suspect this one would, too.
Politicub
(12,335 posts)Also known as bend and snap. (Hat tip to Reese Witherspoon)
On edit: not engaging is better. It reduces the popularity of the post and makes it a teensy less viral.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)area51
(12,755 posts)Oh noes. You mean presidents should tell the truth?
hunter
(40,853 posts)More distant Trump voting relatives and recent in-laws quickly learn not to step in that.
There are endless ways to say "Fuck off, I don't want to hear or see your bullshit."
If said relatives want to stay in touch with you they will stop sending you their crap.
No, I haven't called them "every name in the book for supporting President Trump," but yes, I make it clear to them I do not respect their political or religious choices and I let them know it.
Anti-intellectualism is a crime in my family. Religion and politics are common topics of discussion at our dinner tables.
Deep down Trump supporters know how empty their lives are. Deep down they know the gods they worship, and the men they call their leaders, are petty, capricious, and cruel.
Deep down they are fearful and afraid to step out into the light.
You can throw them a lifeline, but they have to take it themselves. Whatever you do, don't let them suck you into their hell.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,848 posts)anyone can come up with a similar/worse list for the Obama and Clinton presidencies.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,989 posts)"Maxine" Waters, not "Maxie"
"doxxed," not "Doxed" - and no need for capitalization
"Tonys" or "Tony Awards" - no need for an apostrophe
"y'all," not "ya'l"
And if I'm not mistaken, they mean "pussyhats" rather than "vagina hats," a reference to their hero saying women would let him do anything to them because he's famous, including grabbing them by the pussy.
And, of course, at least half of their points are straight-up lies.
And even some of the ones that are true are like... ¯_(ツ
_/¯...so what? And they pale in comparison to incidents of bad behavior from Trumpers and Trump himself.
Make7
(8,558 posts)"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
When the President of the United States insists that the Election results are fraudulent, he in effect is saying that the United States no longer is a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".
Instead of "Making America Great Again", Trump is signing this country's death certificate.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Why engage with these people.
Those of you who post incessantly about your fights on Facebook...sheesh. That seems so sad.
aka-chmeee
(1,228 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,484 posts)Never happened. The 2017 ball field shooting wounded 1 Senator and 5 others (police officers and Congressional assistants). Only 4 of the injuries were gunshots.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)As the Trump campaign tee shirt said f*ck your feelings.
Midnight Writer
(25,746 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 7, 2020, 08:04 PM - Edit history (1)
but point out how they treated President Obama. They launched the tea party before he even had a chance to figure out where the Oval Office bathroom was. They questioned whether he was a citizen. They made sure that their representatives opposed him, in fact they DEMANDED that their representatives oppose him, even when President Obama was 100% right and acting totally in the nations best interests. President Obama authorized the raid on bin laden, a move that would have ended his Presidency had it failed, they said that was nothing, anyone would have done that, even when close to half of President Obamas senior advisers were against the raid. Say the name Merrick Garland to them and explain how their party defied historical norms and didnt even give him a hearing.
Lastly, point out that every President meets resistance, but their behavior for the last 4 decades have gone well past simple political difference, they have sought at every turn to take away out citizenship. We are not the ones worshipping a Russian dictator who has only bad intentions toward all of us.
Fresh_Start
(11,367 posts)for your helpful suggestion
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