So DeJoy cannot be removed by Biden?

[Nexus2]

Is that for real? How many other stink bombs has the dark times of Mad Prince Mango left hidden in the future administration's path?

[madashelltoo]

1. He can replace the Board

The new Board can replace him. Might take a while, but . . .

[wryter2000]

2. That has to be one of the first things he does

I guess there aren't any elections for DeJoy to eff up for a while. Maybe congress can investigate him until he gives up and goes away.

[Andy823]

9. I agree

start investigations and see what happens. He really needs to be investigated and linked to trumps plot to destroy our election system.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. He can't replace the Board until their 7-year terms expire (unless for cause),

but he can appoint new members to three currently open seats.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Thanks

I don't have to address that, now.

[maxrandb]

26. No, he can fucking fire the entire board

Donnie Dipshit has shown us there are no norms anymore.

WTF is the Board going to do when the justice department raids their offices, collects evidence of corrupt sabotage of the USPS and throws them in the street?

Maybe Moscow Mitch can write a disapproving letter.

It's bullshit to even think of not playing hardball with these fucksticks.

[Whiskeytide]

38. Yep. Let's start using the DOJ as...

... a political weapon and see how that works out.

[maxrandb]

46. It's NOT using the DOJ as a political weapon

to investigate clear evidence of federal crimes like interfering with the United States Postal Service, campaign finance violations, bribery and malfeasance.

[Whiskeytide]

49. I don't doubt that there are ...

... crimes that need to be investigated and prosecuted. And I certainly want to see DeJoy go down.

But this thread - and DU in general it seems - is teeming with posts advocating that we get rid of DeJoy (and others) by harassing them with DOJ investigations.

The DOJ should remain independent of Biden. If there are crimes, there should be prosecutions. But they should be initiated by the DOJ, not Democrats. Otherwise we are no better than Тяцмр, and - worse - we are accepting his use of the DOJ to prosecute political enemies as a new normal.

[Vivienne235729]

44. 1000+

[Karadeniz]

35. Their support of Trump's election shenanigans looks like cause to me...and how many officials has

Trump replaced for personal fealty, not legitimate cause.

[onenote]

27. He fill vacancies in the Board, he can't fire Board members.

And he needs Senate approval for anyone he nominates to the Board of Governors. The Board is not a body to which he can make "acting" appointments under the law.

[Boogiemack]

41. If we win the Senate we can do any damn thing we want. Like change the law.

And why should Biden follow rules, regs, and law? Trump set the precedent for not having to do so.

[elleng]

3. Right, but . . .

The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service is the governing body of the United States Postal Service (USPS).[1] The board oversees the activities of the Postal Service, while the postmaster general actively manages its day-to-day operations.[2]

The board directs "the exercise of the power" of the Postal Service, controls its expenditures and reviews its practices and policies.[3] It consists of 11 members, 6 are requisite to achieve an ordinary quorum. Of the 11 board members, 9 are the presidentially-appointed governors, 1 is the postmaster general, and 1 is the deputy postmaster general. The 9 governors elect the postmaster general, the chairman of the board as well as the USPS inspector general; the governors and the postmaster general elect the deputy postmaster general. No more than five governors may be adherents of the same political party. The board also has the power to remove all of these officers.[4]

The Board of Governors is comparable with the board of directors of most private corporations. . .

Until 2007 each governor was appointed to a nine-year term or to the remainder of the unexpired term of a vacant seat. Terms of the nine appointed governors are staggered, commence after Senate confirmation and expire on December 8 of the year that the term would have ended had the terms been properly synchronised. The board can extend the term of a governor whose term is to expire by one year or until a successor has been confirmed, without Senate confirmation. Governors may be appointed for a second term, with Senate confirmation. No more than five of the nine governors may be of the same political party. The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, signed by President George W. Bush on December 20, 2006,[5] besides other things, changed the terms of governors appointed after that date from nine to seven years. . .

On August 1, 2019, the Senate confirmed three more nominations, allowing the board to reach a quorum for the first time since 2014. The new members are Ron Bloom and Roman Martinez IV, both former investment bankers, and John Barger, former director of the Investment and Retirement Boards of the Los Angeles County Employees Retirement Association, the country's largest pension fund.[11]

In March 2020, President Trump nominated Donald L. Moak to replace Alan C. Kessler[12] (who had resigned in July 2011)[13] and William D. Zollars was nominated to replace James Bilbray (who had ceased being a member in December 2016). David C. Williams resigned from the board on April 30, 2020, and Ronald A. Stroman resigned on June 1, 2020, as deputy PMG. On June 15, 2020, the TEC, comprising five members, selected Louis DeJoy to succeed Megan Brennan as Postmaster General (PMG). The Senate confirmed both nominations on June 18, 2020. As at August 2020, the board had six appointed members plus the PMG, sufficient to constitute a quorum on the board. Five of the board members are Republicans.>>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Governors_of_the_United_States_Postal_Service

[machoneman]

39. Sorry, but malfeasance can remove any Board member, USPS or private enterprise. Just....

...look at all the efforts DeJoy took to slow or cancel mail-in ballots. One charge by the new A.G. against him and his Board and it's all over.

[FakeNoose]

4. I'm wondering if they can find a way to sideline him

... like make him Ambassador to Bolivia or somewhere he can't mess up. Send him on a permanent vacation. Reduce his salary to an insulting level, and maybe he'll resign.

[LiberalFighter]

12. Waste of time

[2naSalit]

24. Well if he gets arrested for his crimes against the agency he heads...

He won't be able to keep his job.

[lindysalsagal]

37. Right. There has to be a way to upstage him and remove his teeth. Sour the milk.

Give him no reasons to stay and many to leave. Gotta be possible.

[rickford66]

5. Do a Trump.

Fire him and let them take it to the SCOTUS. If firing doesn't work, make his life a nightmare. Take his security away. Paint his office with paint that wont dry. Whatever it takes.

[maxrandb]

29. Exactly!

I have no patience for folks saying Biden is "hamstrung", or "can't do anything about it".

It's the media's way of trying to make Democrats seem feckless and weak.

I don't care what it takes.

Summon him to appear in the White House every fucking morning at 6AM to provide an update brief.

Cut his salary to $1 per year.

Deny him of staff.

Cut his travel budget to zero.

Move his office to Anchorage.

This position is a "take whatever steps are necessary" position.

I have a feeling Bidens AG is going to be so far up DeJoys as with a flashlight, he'll be able to see Donnie Dipshits puny scrotum.

This guy MUST be gone!

He may find it's hard to sabotage the postal service from Federal Prison.

[rickford66]

36. Take no prisoners.

[area51]

47. +1 n/t

[CrispyQ]

6. I remember corporate before the "at will" days & if mgmt didn't like someone but didn't have reason

to let them go, they made the employee miserable. Give them boring work, demanding deadlines, crappy schedule. In this case I suspect he will resign. He grifted into the position & that type generally opposes any real work.

[Wounded Bear]

48. Yep! We never fire anybody around here...

we just make your life so miserable you'll quit on your own.

[Cerridwen]

7. Maybe they can re-organize the agency(ies). I seem to remember g.w.uh

did something similar(?) with "homeland security."

[OregonBlue]

8. Investigate him.

[OnDoutside]

22. 100% agree.

[jalan48]

33. +1

Put the pressure on him and he will gladly resign.

[AmericanCanuck]

10. The justice department will start investigating DeJoy

and put the screws on him. Make his life miserable and he will resign.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. The postal service board has three open seats; there can be as many as nine members

(11 counting the PG and the assistant PG), but right now there are only six, enough presidential appointees to make a quorum. No more than five of the nine can be members of one political party, and right now five of the present six are GOPers. The single Democrat's seven-year term expires on Dec. 8. So Biden could appoint four, and add one more Democrat in 2022, when the next GOPer's term expires. These are all Senate-confirmed positions. They can be fired before their terms expire, but only "for cause," whatever that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Governors_of_the_United_States_Postal_Servicehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Governors_of_the_United_States_Postal_Service

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/202

[LiberalFighter]

14. Prosecute and convict him. Make his life miserable.

Go after his old company.

[marie999]

15. If the new AG starts an investigation of him

in using the post office to interfere in a federal election it might induce him to quit if he knows that will stop the investigation.

[Sanity Claws]

16. Surely he can be removed for cause

Cause: contempt of court orders regarding ballot handling
or
infringing on people's rights to votes

You don't have to prove a crime to have sufficient cause.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. That Is In The Statute

I read it yesterday.
The contempt is more probable than the voting rights issue.
Much easier to prove, and not as easily defended by claiming "cost containment".
Containing costs has nothing to do with ignoring a court order.
Personally, I think Biden should try it.
I also think they can make life tough & get him to leave because he hates the gig.

[onenote]

28. Under the statute, only the Board of Governors may remove the Postmaster General

The nine "Governors" that can be nominated by the President can be removed for cause. But while the Postmaster General and Deputy General are members of the Board of Governors, they are not "Governors" as that term is used in the statute and thus are not subject to removal for cause by the President.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. That's What I Said

The question was about removing governors.
Nothing in my post was about Biden removing DeJoy.
In fact, in an earlier post, I specifically said Biden couldn't do it.
It was about cause for dismissal. That is clearly what I was discussing.
So, what's with correcting me for something I didn't say?

[onenote]

31. Sorry. My bad.But your post wasn't that clear

In direct response to a post saying that he (meaning DeJoy) "surely" could be removed for cause you posted "That is in the statute" and then you suggested Biden "try it."

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. There are five vacancies that Biden can fill, IIRC, and they can vote to fire DeJoy. Nt

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Five?

I thought it was 3. They can have, by statute 9 members, but there are only 6. And PINO just put 3 or 4 in there, so there 7 year terms just started.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. 3 current, 1 expiring in 2021, I thought there was 1 more retiring? Nt

[Yeehah]

23. Biden: "Hold my beer."

The piece of garbage DeJoy will be gone.

[Demsrule86]

25. We may be able to prosecute him and get him out.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I'm willing to bet that there are ways to do it if people are willing to think outside the box.

[DFW]

34. DeJoy get no immunirty for crimes committed while in office

He can resign and slink away, hoping he is not a high priority for the next Attorney General, or he can tough it out. I don't think he will want all the heat a hostile president can bring to bear. The incoming VP is a former prosecutor know for her aggressiveness in that job. How many days in a row will he take being summoned to her office at 7:00 AM, each session giving her new chances to trip him up, do you think it will take before he gets the hint?

[tblue37]

40. If he got convicted of a felony he could.

[Buckeyeblue]

42. It seems as though he intentionally interfered with the mail to impact the election

Do we offer him immunity to testify that this was ordered by the Trump administration? We should go further to discuss with him what he was tasked to do to bankrupt the post office. Without Trump, these lightweights will flee or sing or both.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

43. Maybe the DOJ can start here:

Federal judge halts changes to Postal Service, citing 'voter disenfranchisement'

A federal judge in Washington State ordered the U.S. Postal Service to halt a set of controversial cost-cutting changes imposed earlier this year by Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, handing a major victory to several Democratic state attorneys general.

U.S. Judge Stanley Bastian wrote Thursday that "partisan politics" was the root cause of the Postal Service’s cost-cutting measures and "voter disenfranchisement" was the effect. He found that the state attorneys general proved "that the United States Postal Service and the Postmaster General violated and infringed on the States’ constitutional authority to regulate elections and the people’s right to vote."

"It is easy to conclude that the recent Postal Services’ changes is an intentional effort on the part the current administration to disrupt and challenge the legitimacy of upcoming local, state, and federal elections," Bastian wrote. "Plaintiffs have made a strong showing that the recent changes are the result of an effort by the current administration to use the Postal Service as a tool in partisan politics."
snip----
Washington State is enjoined by Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia and Wisconsin in the suit. Two other lawsuits led by Pennsylvania and New York remain pending.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-judge-halts-postal-service-citing-voter-disenfranchisement/story?id=73094981

[dalton99a]

45. DeJoy should be investigated by multiple entities, and prosecuted.

[avebury]

50. He cannot remove DeJoy for cause? Afterall he did order the removal and distruction of

government property (i.e. mail sorting machines) and interfered in the election by delaying the mail in ballots and allowing mail to pile up instead of delivering it. He claimed that there was no guarantee as to how fast they have to deliver the mail.