Apparently, armed right-wing thugs have been going

[MineralMan]

To election officials' homes to demand that they do something.

That led me to think about how I would react to a group of armed people who were not police coming to my house. It seems to me that I would assume that they meant me harm. I would call the police, express my fear of being harmed by an armed mob, and ask them to come to my aid.

Doesn't that seem reasonable? Of course, I would also arm myself and go into my defensive plan.

[dware]

1. Just about any reasonable person would 100% agree with you,

I know damn good and well I would.

[Siwsan]

2. That happened to our Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson (Michigan)

While she was decorating the Christmas tree with her 4 year old.

I fear that things are going to start getting MUCH worse.

[MineralMan]

3. Did the police not come?

[Kaleva]

10. Yes. The State and Detroit police came.

[Moostache]

13. Did they arrest the armed mob? Or did they "white people that shit"?

Black boy, toy gun, Cleveland Ohio...DEAD in SECONDS after police arrived...Tamir Rice.
Black man, selling cigarettes, New York...DEAD in MINUTES after police choked him to death (illegal hold)...Eric Garner.
Black man, arrested on city street, Minnesota...DEAD in 9+ MINUTES after police pinned him to the ground and ignored his pleas...George Floyd.

And that is not even the top of the tip of the iceberg...

Dylan Roof? Shot? Cuffed and slammed into the ground? Dead? Nope...that is "white peopling that shit".
Kyle Rittenhouse? Killed while brandishing illegally obtained weapon in public? Nope...cause celebrity for the New Nazis...

Those people brandishing weapons and making terroristic threats MUST be prosecuted, MUST be tried and IF guilty must not only go to prison, they MUST LOSE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, PERIOD.

Fuck them and fuck this mob mentality.
If they refuse to leave or resist in any way, then its time for the police to stop the "white people" kid gloves treatment.

[Kaleva]

20. Neither MI AG Nessel or the county prosecutor have called for their arrest.

[IsItJustMe]

40. Yeah!!! You know how it is. Them just the good ol' boys.

I posted before, bet they would have pissed themselves if someone came out of the house with a gun.

[Ohiogal]

16. They're doing this in Akron Ohio

The police come if called out but all they do is “discuss trespassing and noise issues” with the thugs.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10715929

[Siwsan]

19. Here's the report

DETROIT, MI - About 20-30 protesters, some open-carrying guns, gathered outside Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s home Saturday night to challenge President-elect Joe Biden’s win in Michigan, police said.

Officers responded to a public disturbance around 9:50 p.m., Dec. 5 outside of Benson’s Detroit residence, said the Michigan State Police. Some of the protesters carried weapons, police said, and the crowd dispersed once officers arrived. No protesters were arrested, police said. Detroit police were called to the scene, as well.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/12/armed-protesters-rally-outside-michigan-secretary-of-state-jocelyn-bensons-home.html

[Peacetrain]

4. The great error of the rabid right and their weapons is the ASSUMPTION

that those on the the left are not also armed..I am not a huge gun person.. but I was raised with them, and they do not scare me as much as they irritate me.. and people who try to terrorize others with guns because they are so scared of their own shadows.. I do not know what I would do either MM.. but I would not go down without taking someone out with me.. I swing a mean baseball bat.

[Caliman73]

14. Same here.

Guns don't scare OR irritate me. People who love their guns, who talk about them constantly, who take pictures of them, etc... irritate me. A gun is basically an inert object with the potential to be dangerous. It's the idiots who can't shut up about them that create the problems.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Not only armed, but we don't advertise we are. They do, and they've set themselves up as marks.

[ancianita]

36. That right there. Good point.

[IsItJustMe]

41. Me neither. But things change.

[uponit7771]

46. "the ASSUMPTION that those on the the left are not also armed" +1 their lords and saviors tell them

... we scare easy at the site of a barrel.

They're that stupid

[tulipsandroses]

5. Hopefully all Dem officials have armed security by now.

This is getting out of hand. In 2016. Democrats, knitted pink pussycat hats and marched after the inauguration and then ran for office. These people are UnAmerican.

[fearnobush]

6. Yup.

I’d chamber my guns from a side angle in front of the window for all to see while calling the police.

[Kaleva]

8. Homeowners who did that have been mistakenly shot by police.

[fearnobush]

12. Thats not the point

If the police had already arrived then yeah, there would be no need for my show of force. My point is these cowards Run while faced with an equal opponent.

Case in point, buddy and me were surrounded by one of those idiot Orange trains outside of Philly.He has a Biden Harris sticker on back. One of the Cultists pointed his finger at us in a shooting position. My buddy rolled down the window and flashed his conceal carry permit At him and yelled, “the last thing you want to do is fuck with a liberal and his gun.” The he screamed are you an idiot for pointing his finger like that as the cultist drove off away at high speed while his group broke off and let us pass.

[Kaleva]

21. The point is that you never expose yourself.

Especially when you have a weapon in hand.

[Kaleva]

7. The police did arrive and they did nothing. The crowd dispersed on it's own accord later.

My defensive plan is to hunker down in the master bedroom on the 2nd floor and have the bedroom door locked and dead bolted. If they break into the home and trash the 1st floor, that's fine. If they try to break into the master bedroom after repeated warnings to go away and that we are armed, then the shooting starts.

[Freddie]

15. Most police officers are Trumpies

They’ll stand by and watch.

[Progressive Jones]

44. That could backfire on them. nt

[uponit7771]

47. How? after NJ cop getting ran over and both legs broke and the and nothing happened to the driver

... who owned the pub I think they're sympathetic to extremist right wingers now.

Too many of their leaders have spoken out with the militias

[Permanut]

9. Sad that it has come to this..

but it has. Same plan here, MineralMan.

[colsohlibgal]

11. Sad And Scary

The crazy right wing is armed and spurred on by their Fat Orange Hero and it seems inevitable that this powder keg is going to go off.

Hard to know where we are headed in the near future. How to bring these easily manipulated folks back to reality is a real dilemma.

[BGBD]

17. Call the cops

And tell them to send an ambulances because I'm pitting a wad of 00 in the first one to step on the yard.

[Kaleva]

22. Why would you shoot someone outside of your home?

[BGBD]

24. If you come to me

surround my house, threaten me, and then step in my yard....you're going to get carried off.

I wouldn't think twice about it and there's not a jury in the country that would convict me.

[Kaleva]

25. You might get charged for murder in Michigan.

The Castle Doctrine doesn't apply to someone outside your home.

[BGBD]

27. What's the old saying?

I'd rather be judge by 12 than carried by 6.

I'll take my chances with the jury instead of the armed mob.

[Kaleva]

29. You are taking chances anyway by going outside and confronting an armed mob.

If there's 30 of them and just one of you, odds are it will be you taken away by ambulance.

[BGBD]

33. Most of them

are going to run when the first guy goes down. I like my chances with the ones left, the chaos they'll be under, and the cover and high ground I'd have. Who says I have to leave the house? 00 will do the job from 20 yards, which is much shorter than I'd need from inside the house.

We can argue this all night, but I'm not just going to sit back and let a group of crazy, armed cultists come only my property and threaten me. That is a clear and present danger and I'll defend myself with force and I don't need to wait for them to attack before I do it.

[BGBD]

28. And btw

Michigan doesn't have Castle, they have SYG.

SELF-DEFENSE ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 309 of 2006


780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions.
Sec. 2.

(1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies:
(a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual.
(b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual.
(2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.

[Kaleva]

32. A link explaining Michigan's Castle Doctrine

"“(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), it is a rebuttable presumption in a civil or criminal case that an individual who uses deadly force or force other than deadly force under section 2 of the self-defense act has an honest and reasonable belief that imminent death of, sexual assault of, or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another individual will occur if both of the following apply:

(a) The individual against whom deadly force or force other than deadly force is used is in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling or business premises or committing home invasion or has broken and entered a dwelling or business premises or committed home invasion and is still present in the dwelling or business premises, or is unlawfully attempting to remove another individual from a dwelling, business premises, or occupied vehicle against his or her will.

(b) The individual using deadly force or force other than deadly force honestly and reasonably believes that the individual is engaging in conduct described in subdivision (a).”"

https://www.criminaldefenselawcenterwestmichigan.com/michigans-castle-doctrine/

[BGBD]

35. I gave you

the direct legal statute. I don't care what some blog has to say on the matter.

Michigan law specifically states that you have no duty to retreat and may use deadly force as long as you are in a place you are legally able to be and not engaged in the commission of a crime if you believe you must to stop immediate harm to yourself or another.

[uponit7771]

26. ... and tell them they all look like BLM protesters, 1000 cars would show up

[William769]

18. We have a different kind of armed thugs here in Florida.

[ancianita]

38. I live here. Can you tell me how can I tell?

[William769]

43. FDLE Raids Home Of Data Scientist Who Built FL's Coronavirus Site

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fdle-raids-home-of-data-scientist-who-built-fl-s-coronavirus-site/ar-BB1bIWlw?ocid=msedgntp

Anything connected to the Desantis crime family.

[ancianita]

45. Ah! Got it.

For a second I thought you were talking about the general population (and I do still wonder about that). Thanks.

[relayerbob]

30. I would call the police and record every second of it

Live stream it if possible. I would not get a gun out, that would give them (mob or police) justification to cause my own injury.

Whan the police arrived try to get as cloe as safe to record as many faces and license plates as possible. Likely call a personal injury or equivalently aggressive attorney to ensure that anyone who so much as damages a blade of my lawn pays dearly.

[CaptainTruth]

31. Right-wingers seem to love the Second Amendment. It applies to me too.

[world wide wally]

34. We are stupid to take this just because we are afraid to prosecute their leader and top

instigator, Fuckface Trump.

[cayugafalls]

37. This will only get worse.

We are at the beginning. Trump has signaled, told them to stand by and they are very openly advocating war if Trump is not sworn in on the 20th.

Do not think for one moment that this is going to just go away. Like the virus, it will only grow.

[slumcamper]

39. I don't own a gun. Never believed in them.

These assholes need to face more than that.

Anyone know what I can get a tank or bazooka?

[BobTheSubgenius]

42. Knowing how tilted these lunatics are, I would DEFINITELY be calling the police.