I never thought I'd live to see the day when a 74 year old loser

[malaise]

continues to take on every branch of government rather than admit that he lost the election.
This shit has been going on since November 3. How do parents teach their children to learn to lose graciously while watching this fucking lunatic and his enablers.
You know what's worse - the silence from his enablers starting with MoscowMitch and the media folks explaining why ReTHUGs are remaining silent.
They have made it pellucidly clear- power over democracy.

[LuckyCharms]

1. They can teach by using Trump as a bad example.

"See what Trump is doing? He's a poor loser. You will see on January 20. Don't ever do what Trump is doing. The vast majority of the people in the world do not like him, because he does things like this. Respect yourself. Lose with grace and dignity. Win with grace and dignity. People will respect you, and they won't pity you or look down on you like they do to Trump"

[malaise]

2. Until thy turn around and tell their parents that the president did it so it's OK

You are correct that the parents will have the last word because he will still have to get out of the WH at 12.00noon on January 20.

[LuckyCharms]

4. If I said that to my mom in response, God rest her soul, she would have said...

"What did I just say? You being a wise ass? Just because he is the president does not mean he is right! He's just a man and no man is above another man! Do you see your father acting like that? No? Then be like your father".

Then I would have gotten the wooden spoon treatment.

[malaise]

6. Ha

Your mom sounds like mine
This is crazy

[LuckyCharms]

8. In a way, I am glad my parents and in-laws are not here to

witness this.

We have Six major stressors:

1) One we can't see (Covid).

2) One that we have to let bully us for 40 something more days because apparently he can't be controlled.

3) The republicans who remain after Trump leaves.

4) Trump's potential influence on his rabid base for years to come.

5) 70 million people that are dumber than a box of pubic hair, and who wouldn't mind seeing us dead.

6) Financial stress and healthcare stress. Deciding whether to go to the ER for chest pains becomes an agonizing decision.

Personally, I'd rather be in a continuous physical fight than have all of the above crap. At least then, you can live or die by your own hand against an enemy that you may have at least a bit of control over, and an enemy you can see.

[True Blue American]

67. Mine would say, you see

Someone jump off a bridge you do the same, you dumb ass? Use your common sense!

[secondwind]

3. Well said.

[LuckyCharms]

5. Thanks, secondwind.

[dlk]

12. Even worse, there is an entire political party enabling him

Republicans could have taught Machiavelli a thing or two.

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. yup. inconceivable!

[empedocles]

9. The history of rw hater, 'Tail Gunner' Joe McCharthy' may offer some hope.

[McCarthy mobilized a surprisingly powerful force, intimidating the popular President Eisenhower, Congress, media, . . . However, reports. the Murrow TV expose, extensive Army-McCarthy hearings - all reduced McCarthy influence over time].

'Why did Joseph McCarthy’s influence decline?

Senator Joseph McCarthy standing at microphone with two other men, probably discussing the Senate Select Committee to Study Censure Charges (Watkins Committee) chaired by Senator Arthur V. Watkins, June 1954
Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. (LC-DIG-ds-07186)
Wisconsin Sen. Joseph McCarthy catapulted to national prominence in the United States after his claim in February 1950 that 205 communists were at that time employed by the State Department. Over the next few years, McCarthy capitalized on existing Cold War fears that Soviet communist subversion from within threatened the United States at the highest reaches of government. The ensuing scramble to purge the government of these alleged infiltrators spread across the country. Although he lacked evidence for his claims, McCarthy leveled accusations of communist persuasion against government officials high and low. He was particularly critical of the Democratic administration of Pres. Harry S. Truman, singling out Secretary of State Dean Acheson, Secretary of Defense George C. Marshall, and even Truman himself. Despite his increasingly outlandish allegations, McCarthy’s popularity seemed to soar higher than ever.

In the fall of 1953, cracks began to form in the Wisconsin senator’s facade. . . .

. . . An enraged McCarthy assaulted the general’s intelligence and reputation, telling him that he was unfit to wear his Army uniform.

McCarthy’s attacks on Zwicker did not go unnoticed. On March 9, 1954, Edward R. Murrow presented a 25-minute television exposé of the Wisconsin senator’s anticommunist crusade. Using evidence from McCarthy’s speeches and hearings, Murrow argued that the senator’s unsavory tactics involved “the half-truth” and investigations in which his bullying was “protected by immunity.” McCarthy attacked Murrow by calling him a communist, but the journalist deftly countered the accusation and damaged McCarthy’s reputation in the process.

The Army, it seemed, was also tired of McCarthy’s behaviour. . . .

Starting on April 22, 1954, the Army-McCarthy hearings were broadcast on television for 36 days to an estimated 80 million viewers. The Army had as its counsel the Boston attorney Joseph Nye Welch, who was instrumental in laying bare McCarthy’s lies. He uncovered doctored photographs that McCarthy had submitted for evidence and exposed his forgery of a memo concerning Army Signal Corps’ alleged communist subversives. When McCarthy attacked Welch’s firm because it had employed an attorney with vague connections to the Communist Party, the Army counsel responded: “Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator; you’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

The Army-McCarthy hearings were resolved in mid-June. McCarthy was acquitted of improperly pressuring the Army on Schine’s behalf. Their lasting impact, however, was on the senator’s political relevance. Having been disgraced on national television, McCarthy was formally censured by his fellow senators in December 1954 by a vote of 67 to 22. He died less than three years later, before he completed his second term. McCarthy’s flame, which had captivated the nation for over four years, went out almost overnight.

. . .
Senator Joseph McCarthy during an investigation into Communist infiltration of the government.The Red Scare posed serious threats to civil liberties during the 1950s. Feeding off of the anticommunism that was Cold War dogma, SenatorJoseph McCarthy began
. . . This appeal to the nation’s moral conscience gripped his audience because, like much of McCarthy’s rhetoric, it struck at contemporary fears and cultural perceptions about communists. If communists were fundamentally immoral, then the fight against communism was a fight against evil.

McCarthy’s rise to prominence was buttressed by increasingly repressive legislation and executive orders aimed at rooting out this alleged immorality from government agencies. / / /

. . .The Hoey committee issued a report alleging the presence of some 5,000 homosexuals in government and military positions from 1947 to 1950. Having also determined that many federal agencies were lax in enforcing existing protocol regarding homosexual activity, the committee recommended that all areas of government take this matter seriously. These events marked the beginning of what scholar David K. Johnson termed “the Lavender Scare.”

This period saw at least 5,000 federal employees quietly purged from the government on account of their sexual orientations. Truman-ordained loyalty review boards encouraged their informants to look for stereotypical gay or lesbian behavior and instructed their investigators to acquire medical, psychiatric, and police reports as evidence of homosexuality. Some interrogators even blackmailed suspects by threatening to out them to their families. In 1953 Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower disbanded the loyalty review boards with Executive Order #10450, but he directed all government departments to establish loyalty programs and terminate or deny employment to anyone deemed a national security risk. Among these numbered LGBTQ+ individuals.

The economic effects of being barred or removed from government service were profound. Federal employment policies served as a model for the private sector, so extended unemployment became a reality for many gay and lesbian people. Some, reeling from the impact of joblessness and social ostracism, took their own lives. The irony was that, among the thousands of “sexual perverts” fired, the federal government was unable to convict a single one as a communist operative. And although McCarthy and the Red Scare lost their relevance by the latter half of the decade, the legislative muscle behind the Lavender Scare would continue to threaten LGBTQ+ Americans for decades.

https://www.britannica.com/story/why-did-joseph-mccarthys-influence-decline

[Marcuse]

15. Disbarred lawyer Roy Cohn was the lowest common denominator of McCarthy and Trump.

[empedocles]

19. The legal arms are evil. However, the political arms represent the big

enabling threat.

GOP Silence on Trump Recalls McCarthy Era
December 1, 2020 at 8:57 am EST By Taegan Goddard 117 Comments

Ron Brownstein: “The silence of congressional Republican leaders as President Trump’s unfounded claims of election fraud grow wilder and more venomous increasingly resembles the party’s deference to Sen. Joe McCarthy during the worst excesses of his anti-Communist crusade in the early 1950s.” . . .

Ron Brownstein: “The silence of congressional Republican leaders as President Trump’s unfounded claims of election fraud grow wilder and more venomous increasingly resembles the party’s deference to Sen. Joe McCarthy during the worst excesses of his anti-Communist crusade in the early 1950s.”

“In McCarthy’s era, most of the GOP’s leaders found excuses to avoid challenging conspiracy theories that they knew to be implausible, even as evidence of their costs to the nation steadily mounted. For years, despite their private doubts about his charges and methods alike, the top GOP leadership — particularly Senate Republican leader Robert A. Taft, the Mitch McConnell of his day — either passively abetted or actively supported McCarthy’s scattershot claims of treason and Communist infiltration.”

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

70. Cohn was a Jew and a homosexual

And was filled with self-hatred on both counts.

[Nasruddin]

17. I have here in my hand

a list of 2 names for you: Roy Cohn & Bobby Kennedy

Who are the negative - and positive - spinoffs from this movement that we are going to have to deal with in the future?

[First Speaker]

34. That was then. In today's GOP, McCarthy would be a "moderate"...

...and accused of Commiesymp tendencies himself because he was willing to be personal friends with so many of his opponents--which he famously was...

[malaise]

38. Very important

Thanks

[empedocles]

43. Your thread caught on big, thank you.

[malaise]

46. I think we're all shocked

and that take some doing with this monster

[Mr.Bill]

48. I agree that Mc Carthy resides on the trash heap of history,

but to this day there are people who think he was right about everything he said. There will be people who will always worship Trump, long after he is dead. There is no arguement about that. The only unknown is how many there will be.

[Darkstar53142]

63. My father believes that McCarthy was one of the greatest...

...Americans of his lifetime. He's a supporter of cheato, of course.

[PatrickforO]

66. That Lavender Scare had J Edgar Hoover written all over it.

He was famously anti-GLBTQ.

[world wide wally]

10. He obviously never played Little League and learned that "You can't win 'em all"

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. IF I were a parent of two legged children, I would NEVER let them watch that

unconvicted rapist and confirmed loser. They could watch Jason or Freddy, but not this horror show in Washington atm.

[spanone]

13. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Authoritarianism with a veneer of democracy

and have we lost track of the money flows supporting this cabal - let's see, did the Mueller Report establish NRA/Russia as one vein, are there others through Deutsche Bank loans, do they have historical roots in soil that worked to limit democracy?

[ramen]

16. It is utterly surreal. All eyes and dollars on Georgia, I hope.. nt

[speaknow]

18. This 74 year loser? No, he is

Playing with the people who voted for him and
worse he playing the news media. He knows exactly what he's
doing. First he owes over 400 mil second Mr. Vance is out for
him. 3rd, he's tricked people to give him money. That's always
the game he played. Bottom line is he knows he lost, but he
is not leaving empty handed. He went in for the money, and
now he is laughing all the way to the BNK.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. 400 Million???

I'd add a zero to that, at least.
The TO has more than $7 billion in debt, with an uncomfortable slice of that personally guaranteed.
There's more debt than assets, by a factor of at least 3.

[Bengus81]

58. I think that $400M is what's due right after he leaves office

Hell...who knows the full total. That clown is nowhere near a Billion $$$ in worth.

[ProfessorGAC]

64. I've Done Some Research Into This

I'm saying $800 million tops, which is twice what he inherited 30(!) years ago.
That's 2.35% year over year, at a time when the S&P went up around 10% annually. If $400 million got that for 30 years, it would be nearly $7 billion.
This genius squandered at least $6 billion in net worth, perhaps more.
Yeah, you could say he is a clown!

[speaknow]

20. This 74 year loser? No, he is

Playing with the people who voted for him and
worse he playing the news media. He knows exactly what he's
doing. First he owes over 400 mil second Mr. Vance is out for
him. 3rd, he's tricked people to give him money. That's always
the game he played. Bottom line is he knows he lost, but he
is not leaving empty handed. He went in for the money, and
now he is laughing all the way to the BNK.

[Bev54]

21. If you look close at his supporters

obviously their parents never taught them how to lose gracefully and I suspect their kids will be the same. There seems to be an over abundance of "religion" without any moral compass.

[malaise]

27. "religion without any moral compass"

If you can get people to believe something great is waiting for them after they have been used and abused by economic, political and religious powers for as long as they can remember, you can control them.

[ancianita]

65. +1

[Javaman]

22. aside from the orange asshole being a psychopath, he's also reinforcing the mantra of the repukes...

spite the opposition at all costs.

they are all psychopaths, sociopaths or some sort of evil in a group think to fuck over this nation. Because they are all complicit in the crime.

[malaise]

28. I disagree - greedy ReTHUGs jumped aboard the lunatic's train for

power and money by any means necessary. Now they are reaping what they sowed

[Javaman]

31. some kind of evil.

I think greed falls into that.

[malaise]

36. Greed on steroids

[Roland99]

23. K&R for the mere fact you said "pellucidly"

[malaise]

37. ROFL

You love that word

[EarnestPutz]

42. I was about to compliment you on your use of "pellucidly" when I scrolled down to see if....

.....anyone else had done so. Mr. Malaise, thank you for keeping up DU's usual high standards for vocabulary, as well as grammar and spelling.

[malaise]

44. Ms

and thank you EarnestPutz - love your user name

[EarnestPutz]

71. We may have had this conversation once before. It's a mistake that I've made more than once.....

.....You're welcome. The compliment was certainly well deserved. Funny how one gets to know people on DU (even if sometimes gender remains a mystery). Please keep up the good work.

[malaise]

72. Doesn't matter

[lpbk2713]

24. Trump has a severe case of electile dysfunction.

A long rest in isolation starting on Jan 20 is recommended.

[malaise]

45. DUzy

He's been like this all his life. He cannot concede

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Might be silver lining. Even many many kids are learning how

to behave based on his demonstration of how not to behave?

Like intuitively they know he's a crazy braggard?

Then there's the kids if magats. They are probably doomed anyway?

Why I was for impeachment every week. Or at a bare minimum, censureship. It's like if you let a child steal $ from your wallet every day and you don't say anything for 3 years.

[malaise]

29. I hope you are right

[NCjack]

26. His parents couldn't control him. Sent him to military school. An option

we do not have.

[malaise]

30. Yep - and even that did not lead to change

He's a genuine monster.

[BobTheSubgenius]

32. Power over democracy is exactly what it is.

I wonder how close to criminal charges some of them have become.

[malaise]

40. If this isn't sedition

what is?

[Lasher]

33. He is everything I was raised not to be

[malaise]

53. Yep and we haven't seen the worst of this

When the violence starts, lock up MoscowMitch as well

[LudwigPastorius]

35. "..power over democracy."

That's virtually the definition of fascism.

It is no longer hyperbole to describe the GOP as a fascist political party.

[malaise]

47. It's more than that but we agree re ReTHUGs

[WestCoastDem42]

39. I totally agree ....

Although I had to look up 'pellucidly' before I could do so!!!! 😀

[malaise]

41. Welcome to DU WestCoastDem42 (

[muriel_volestrangler]

49. Grace has never been something Trump understood. His followers and enablers don't care either.

The religiously hypnotised among them know it as a term meaning "I'm saved from eternal damnation because of the magic words I said"; Trump knows it as the boring bit he has to sit still through when he's sucking up to the cult leaders. Neither would see it as something a human would exhibit, unless they're a "sucker and loser".

[malaise]

50. +1,000

That's the truth

[SeattleVet]

51. The Onion figured him out last year...

Trump Cancels White House Subscription To ‘Highlights’ Over Anti-Goofus Bias

https://politics.theonion.com/trump-cancels-white-house-subscription-to-highlights-1839272069

WASHINGTON—Shutting down a regular monthly delivery that had been in place since the Truman administration, President Donald Trump canceled the White House’s subscription to Highlights magazine Tuesday over what he deemed to be rampant anti-Goofus bias. “Everyone’s getting on his case all the time—Goofus has been treated very, very unfairly,” said Trump, decrying the 60-year-old children’s magazine’s obvious pro-Gallant agenda while praising Goofus as a bright kid smart enough to look out for number one and who knew how to cut a deal. “‘Gross Gallant’ is no angel either! I hear he’s in bed with some pretty shady figures, I won’t say who. Too bad for Highlights, a once-great publication that has gone downhill in recent years. Unfair that they never publish your drawings when you submit them. Also, I looked at that scene of the kids playing, and the second picture? No differences! None at all! And I was in that terrible maze for hours. Not good. There was clearly no exit.” At press time, Trump had reversed his position and instructed an aide to renew the White House’s subscription after discovering Highlights gave him some positive press by mentioning him in a list of U.S. presidents.

[Demovictory9]

54. K&r

[marble falls]

55. Its all about getting away with it. But I don't think he's going to get away with all of it ...

... he'll do it like Glen Beck did: find twenty million or so suckers to pay him $10-$20 per month for a website access.

Bevis and Butthead Jr will still be working for their old man after he(they) get(s) out of prison.

[malaise]

56. For me the only good news is that he is not healthy and

he is not young. He is perfectly capable of fomenting violence.
You see i'm not sure he'll ever be sent to prison.

[marble falls]

57. They've put Bernie Madoff inside for life. They put pretty old Mafioso in prison, to die inside ...

... John Gotti died inside about five or so years. Whitey Bulger got beaten to death by two inmates within a day or two after getting put into general population and he was in his seventies.

[malaise]

59. We can hope

He should get life times 1,000 for genocide related to Covid

[marble falls]

60. It's a weight he'll have to carry somewhere.

[Mopar151]

61. 30 days in the hole....

In every red state's oldest prison. (Humble Pie reference intended)

[malaise]

62. Nice

[Roy Rolling]

68. Same here

I now wonder, “were Republicans always greedy, behind-the-scenes criminals corrupting government?” Or “is this new to Republicans?”

Did I grow up unaware, ignorant and naïve of Republicans, or have Republicans suddenly turned bad?