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PoliticoExcept it will die most likely with more speed and force than looks possible today.
There are three primary reasons to be deeply skeptical that Trumps moment of dominating his party and public consciousness will continue long after Jan. 20.
Most important are the abundant precedents suggesting Trump does not have another important act in national politics. The perception that Trump will remain relevant hinges on the possibility that he is a unique historical figure. Trump, however, is singular in one sense only: No politician of his stripe has ever achieved the presidency. In multiple other ways, he is a familiar American type, anticipated by such diverse figures as Joseph McCarthy, George Wallace, and Ross Perot.
SomedayKindaLove
(529 posts)Hard to imagine now which R could beat him in a primary if he chooses to run again. Course he is 0-2 in the popular vote so Im not really worried about it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,337 posts)As long as the media feels that it will get them ratings - eyeballs and/or ears - they will keep covering the freak show and it will be difficult to dislodge the circus from what should be LEGITIMATE news.
DeminPennswoods
(15,289 posts)I don't doubt that at all. Once twitter and other social media start banning him and deleting his posts, he'll be even less relevent.
He'll still have money to give out, but unlike other rich guys like Adelson and the Koch brothers who spend their own, it will be OPM and entirely dependent on his ability to keep bilking his cult.
tanyev
(42,596 posts)He needs a group of semi-competent hangers-on to make anything happen. I don't see any of them making the calculus that staying with Donny benefits them in the future.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)The other two don't really stand up historically.
Point One:
This is true of almost every authoritarian regime that has taken root since the early 20th century. They are always novel for their time. This is why they arouse the difficult-to-understand devotion they do. (For explanations and examples, see Ruth Ben-Ghiat's new book Strongmen)
Point Two:
If people are bothered by this, it might be important. It didn't stop people from supporting Mussolini, who was preoccupied only with gratifying his personal needs. I think that's true of of Berlusconi as well, and perhaps many others (I hate to mix Communist regimes with Western examples, but there are some to think about here). These movements are about saying no to and attacking everything, they are never about a vision for the future. They always concentrate on a life-and-death struggle in the present that is imaginary. But it is a good point.
Point Three:
Fascist time, as Timothy Snyder calls it, is flat and independent of factual reality, and it is nihilistic in the sense that it doesn't worry itself about "future". Authoritarians remain in power by animating nostalgia for a past that didn't happen, and a false future, or no future at all, and just making the present about a fabricated life-or-death conflict between his supporters and the vague need to survive against some "enemies." That game can run on a long time. You'll notice, for example, when you look around the world at current authoritarians, that they never speak about Global Warming unless it is to declare it a hoax and part of a larger conspiracy against the autonomy of the state. It's "muslims," 'immigrants", conspiracies by Western Democracies, anti-Christians, etc...
There are some real epiphanies in the book The Death of Democracy by Benjamin Carter Hett, and also Ruth Ben-Ghiat's new book Strongmen. Ben-Ghiat takes us across a timespan of 100 years explaining how people like Trump gain, keep and (hopefully) lose power.
I, frankly, hope to Christ this Politico analysis is correct. It just feels out of touch with history.
Stronger arguments against a Trump run might focus on his physical and mental decline; those two factors have brought down regimes, especially since "virility" is one of the factors that makes an authoritarian charismatic in the eyes of his fanatics.
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Chainfire
(17,588 posts)Neither can I imagine that as old and in as bad a physical condition he is in that he could sustain four years of campaigning.
In six months, the Republican leaders will be asking, "Donald who?"
John Ludi
(589 posts)physically and otherwise, will continue to degrade and what's left of him in four years will probably be something best carried in a bucket. Plus the NY legal issues he and his disgusting spawn will be facing may keep them busy for a while...though he'll probably be able to keep milking his base for court costs for awhile.
Best case scenario is that he splinters the GOP...worst case is he actually does manage to start a limited civil war that peters out eventually...
NIGHTMARE scenario is that the whole system buckles and collapses and in 2024 we are all killing each other over the last few cans of beans. The climate guarantees that eventuality, but Trump has made great strides in destabilizing this global house of cards and I feel sorry for Biden as he'll be spending most of his first year or two trying to grow new fingers to plug all the holes in the dyke.
But Trump CREDIBLY running in 2024? Probably not. If the GOP survives, they will find someone FAR more functional (but just as evil) as they have seen just how awful 1/3 of the citizenry are and they'll be wanting to take full advantage of that for a more stable stampede towards fascism. They'll need someone with a functioning brain and ideological motivation for that one.
I could be wrong (probably am) but that's my take on it, for what it may or may not be worth.
tinrobot
(10,913 posts)Run as third party. Split his supporters from the GOP purely for ego, with zero intentions of winning. Announce his run during the GOP convention, just for effect.
It would be a great way to grift himself some more "donations."