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[Proud liberal 80]

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[lapfog_1]

1. if scotus agrees to hear the case

better than 50/50 that we are screwed

[Cuthbert Allgood]

14. No way Roberts wants this case.

[cire41]

20. Or the federalist Gorsuch n/t

[jcgoldie]

2. Lol

50/50 chance

[Kingofalldems]

3. Early today I see.

[obamanut2012]

7. do a search

was even earlier.

[VMA131Marine]

4. SCOTUS has no business agreeing to hear the TX case

But if they agree to hear it then all bets are off on what they will do. That would be a sign that the fix is in and the 5 partisans on the court are going to rule in Trump’s favour no matter what the evidence shows. I don’t expect that because it would be seen as a blatantly partisan decision.

[greenjar_01]

5. Jaysus Mary and Joseph give it a fucking rest already

Fuckin' 'ell.

[Thekaspervote]

6. Oh please..how many times are you going to post this same concern?

Schooled constitutional and SCOTUS experts have weighed in..so please

[dware]

13. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it. nt

[obamanut2012]

8. lolz

[dware]

9. And another one.

[mr_lebowski]

10. Personally think a lot of the posters on this thread are whistling past the proverbial graveyard

I don't know if I'd say 50/50 but the odds of Trump's success with this avenue are not nearly as infinitesimal as many are making it out to be. I'd give it a 15% chance of working myself.

I'd bet that Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are all lobbying to take up the case.

[dware]

12. Respectfully,

I wouldn't even give it that much, more like, IMHO, less than 7%.

[mr_lebowski]

15. What I want to know is ... what are we all prepared to do if this fuckery takes place?

That cannot be allowed to stand.

You know that right?

[dware]

16. Yes, I do know that.

If that were to happen, the country would cease to exist as we know it, there would be massive civil disobedience, probably CW2, the country would disintegrate, which is exactly why, besides TX. ridiculous lawsuit, the SC will not hear this.

[obamanut2012]

17. All of this, ane every other state would start suing other states for this

All the Blue States would sue Red States, etc. They can't allow this, and deny, say, CA suing TX.

[dware]

18. Exactly!!!

It would be the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks.

[mr_lebowski]

27. Yeah? My feeling is our side wouldn't do shit other than whine to the media ...

and on message boards and twitter and facebook.

I don't believe anyone's prepared to do what would become necessary.

First step being ... NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY ... goes to freaking work.

[dware]

28. I think you badly underestimate what we would do.

But, that's my opinion.
Have a great Friday.

[mr_lebowski]

29. Well, I promise you whatever it is we're doing ... I WILL BE THERE DOING IT ...

Hopefully, that turns out to be nothing because this BS gets laughed out of court.

Which is what I'm best at, really.

[dware]

32. And I'll be right there with you.

[Amishman]

19. They know that stealing the election from Biden will be domestic violence

On a level not seen in 155 years. They are conservative - not stupid. They also have lifetime appointments and will be inclined to look at the big picture

[Codeine]

21. To you it's a 50/50 shot?

Cite your case law. What are the applicable precedents? Can you provide us with a taste of your background in Constitutional law?

[Proud liberal 80]

22. Don't have any of those credentials

Just know that 5 of these justices are political hacks and don’t care about that shit.

[Codeine]

24. And when it fails utterly?

Will you cease to spread your FUD for a few days at least?

[Proud liberal 80]

25. Yes

[dware]

26. Where's your proof that they "don't care about that shit"?

Just because Pissollini nominated them doesn't mean that they will vote in his favor.

[Mike 03]

23. Why is it somehow not comforting that a widespread attempt to overturn the

most secure election in history will almost certainly fail? Such a thing should never have happened here in the first place. What have they learned during this process that will make it easier for them to actually succeed next time?

A door that is never opened, opened once, becomes a door that is more frequently used.

[unblock]

33. exactly. the real concern here is not that it will succeed *this* time.

it's that what little functional democracy we have left is in great jeopardy with so many people in power, in our media, and across the country willing to completely jettison the will of the people.

[unblock]

30. the people who understand how coups work (when they work) know that it's not out of the question

it don't think it's close to 50/50, but it's not tiny either.

those who completely dismiss it give too much weight to what the institutions are *supposed* to do, what the law says, what the norms are, etc.

those who think a coup has a non-zero change figure that it all depends on just how corrupt the institutions have become, because in the end it all depends on the integrity of the people in the various institutions.

if the supreme court decides, hey, we have at least 5-4 to completely ignore all kinds of laws and elections and norms and just hand the presidency to the guy the court majority prefers, then they could do that.

personally, i think this is a bridge too far even for the radical right members of the supreme court. had the election been close, or had there been an actual controversy, then sure, they would have stolen it for donnie, just like they stole it for shrub in 2000.

but the election wasn't actually close or really in dispute. it's just a propaganda dispute. so i don't think the supreme court would actually overturn this election. too obvious. 2000 was close, they could get away with it. not this time.

that said, coups can often look silly and improbable right up until they actually succeed. in the end, we're relying on 5 right-wingers not to agree to be complete schmucks.


so i can't say the probability is zero.

[Saboburns]

31. Like it's 50/50 that I'll make sweet love to Beyonce today.

Either I will.

Or.

I won't.

Fifty-fifty.

[LanternWaste]

34. Missed it by that much, eh?

What specifically (and logically valid) lead you to allege it had a 50/50 chance?

[Kingofalldems]

35. Next: The Electoral College

50-50

[Codeine]

36. Another in a string of Trump failures

and FUD flailings. Can we stop now?

[Sam1]

37. For the next four years

all we are going to hear will in the be the Lost Cause, the Bloody Shirt, and the Stab in the Back all rolled in to one. Trump is not going away! And if he does someone else will show up to carry on the good fight!