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Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:31 AM Dec 2020

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if scotus agrees to hear the case lapfog_1 Dec 2020 #1
No way Roberts wants this case. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #14
Or the federalist Gorsuch n/t cire41 Dec 2020 #20
Lol jcgoldie Dec 2020 #2
Early today I see. Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #3
do a search obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author dware Dec 2020 #11
SCOTUS has no business agreeing to hear the TX case VMA131Marine Dec 2020 #4
Jaysus Mary and Joseph give it a fucking rest already greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #5
Oh please..how many times are you going to post this same concern? Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #6
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it. nt dware Dec 2020 #13
lolz obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #8
And another one. dware Dec 2020 #9
Personally think a lot of the posters on this thread are whistling past the proverbial graveyard mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #10
Respectfully, dware Dec 2020 #12
What I want to know is ... what are we all prepared to do if this fuckery takes place? mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #15
Yes, I do know that. dware Dec 2020 #16
All of this, ane every other state would start suing other states for this obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #17
Exactly!!! dware Dec 2020 #18
Yeah? My feeling is our side wouldn't do shit other than whine to the media ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #27
I think you badly underestimate what we would do. dware Dec 2020 #28
Well, I promise you whatever it is we're doing ... I WILL BE THERE DOING IT ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #29
And I'll be right there with you. dware Dec 2020 #32
They know that stealing the election from Biden will be domestic violence Amishman Dec 2020 #19
To you it's a 50/50 shot? Codeine Dec 2020 #21
Don't have any of those credentials Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 #22
And when it fails utterly? Codeine Dec 2020 #24
Yes Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 #25
Where's your proof that they "don't care about that shit"? dware Dec 2020 #26
Why is it somehow not comforting that a widespread attempt to overturn the Mike 03 Dec 2020 #23
exactly. the real concern here is not that it will succeed *this* time. unblock Dec 2020 #33
the people who understand how coups work (when they work) know that it's not out of the question unblock Dec 2020 #30
Like it's 50/50 that I'll make sweet love to Beyonce today. Saboburns Dec 2020 #31
Missed it by that much, eh? LanternWaste Dec 2020 #34
Next: The Electoral College Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #35
Another in a string of Trump failures Codeine Dec 2020 #36
For the next four years Sam1 Dec 2020 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Sam1 Dec 2020 #38

lapfog_1

(29,166 posts)
1. if scotus agrees to hear the case
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:54 AM
Dec 2020

better than 50/50 that we are screwed

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,857 posts)
14. No way Roberts wants this case.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:19 AM
Dec 2020

cire41

(34 posts)
20. Or the federalist Gorsuch n/t
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM
Dec 2020

jcgoldie

(11,582 posts)
2. Lol
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:57 AM
Dec 2020

50/50 chance

Kingofalldems

(38,359 posts)
3. Early today I see.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:58 AM
Dec 2020

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
7. do a search
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:06 AM
Dec 2020

was even earlier.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #7)

VMA131Marine

(4,123 posts)
4. SCOTUS has no business agreeing to hear the TX case
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:00 AM
Dec 2020

But if they agree to hear it then all bets are off on what they will do. That would be a sign that the fix is in and the 5 partisans on the court are going to rule in Trump’s favour no matter what the evidence shows. I don’t expect that because it would be seen as a blatantly partisan decision.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
5. Jaysus Mary and Joseph give it a fucking rest already
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:03 AM
Dec 2020

Fuckin' 'ell.

Thekaspervote

(32,605 posts)
6. Oh please..how many times are you going to post this same concern?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:06 AM
Dec 2020

Schooled constitutional and SCOTUS experts have weighed in..so please

dware

(12,092 posts)
13. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it. nt
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:17 AM
Dec 2020

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
8. lolz
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020

dware

(12,092 posts)
9. And another one.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:07 AM
Dec 2020
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Personally think a lot of the posters on this thread are whistling past the proverbial graveyard
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:13 AM
Dec 2020

I don't know if I'd say 50/50 but the odds of Trump's success with this avenue are not nearly as infinitesimal as many are making it out to be. I'd give it a 15% chance of working myself.

I'd bet that Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are all lobbying to take up the case.

dware

(12,092 posts)
12. Respectfully,
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:16 AM
Dec 2020

I wouldn't even give it that much, more like, IMHO, less than 7%.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. What I want to know is ... what are we all prepared to do if this fuckery takes place?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:23 AM
Dec 2020

That cannot be allowed to stand.

You know that right?

dware

(12,092 posts)
16. Yes, I do know that.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 AM
Dec 2020

If that were to happen, the country would cease to exist as we know it, there would be massive civil disobedience, probably CW2, the country would disintegrate, which is exactly why, besides TX. ridiculous lawsuit, the SC will not hear this.

obamanut2012

(25,905 posts)
17. All of this, ane every other state would start suing other states for this
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:29 AM
Dec 2020

All the Blue States would sue Red States, etc. They can't allow this, and deny, say, CA suing TX.

dware

(12,092 posts)
18. Exactly!!!
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM
Dec 2020

It would be the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. Yeah? My feeling is our side wouldn't do shit other than whine to the media ...
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:40 AM
Dec 2020

and on message boards and twitter and facebook.

I don't believe anyone's prepared to do what would become necessary.

First step being ... NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY ... goes to freaking work.

dware

(12,092 posts)
28. I think you badly underestimate what we would do.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:42 AM
Dec 2020

But, that's my opinion.
Have a great Friday.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. Well, I promise you whatever it is we're doing ... I WILL BE THERE DOING IT ...
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020


Hopefully, that turns out to be nothing because this BS gets laughed out of court.

Which is what I'm best at, really.

dware

(12,092 posts)
32. And I'll be right there with you.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:46 AM
Dec 2020

Amishman

(5,538 posts)
19. They know that stealing the election from Biden will be domestic violence
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM
Dec 2020

On a level not seen in 155 years. They are conservative - not stupid. They also have lifetime appointments and will be inclined to look at the big picture

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
21. To you it's a 50/50 shot?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:35 AM
Dec 2020

Cite your case law. What are the applicable precedents? Can you provide us with a taste of your background in Constitutional law?

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
22. Don't have any of those credentials
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:37 AM
Dec 2020

Just know that 5 of these justices are political hacks and don’t care about that shit.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
24. And when it fails utterly?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:38 AM
Dec 2020

Will you cease to spread your FUD for a few days at least?

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
25. Yes
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:39 AM
Dec 2020

dware

(12,092 posts)
26. Where's your proof that they "don't care about that shit"?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:39 AM
Dec 2020

Just because Pissollini nominated them doesn't mean that they will vote in his favor.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
23. Why is it somehow not comforting that a widespread attempt to overturn the
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:37 AM
Dec 2020

most secure election in history will almost certainly fail? Such a thing should never have happened here in the first place. What have they learned during this process that will make it easier for them to actually succeed next time?

A door that is never opened, opened once, becomes a door that is more frequently used.

unblock

(51,973 posts)
33. exactly. the real concern here is not that it will succeed *this* time.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:47 AM
Dec 2020

it's that what little functional democracy we have left is in great jeopardy with so many people in power, in our media, and across the country willing to completely jettison the will of the people.

unblock

(51,973 posts)
30. the people who understand how coups work (when they work) know that it's not out of the question
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

it don't think it's close to 50/50, but it's not tiny either.

those who completely dismiss it give too much weight to what the institutions are *supposed* to do, what the law says, what the norms are, etc.

those who think a coup has a non-zero change figure that it all depends on just how corrupt the institutions have become, because in the end it all depends on the integrity of the people in the various institutions.

if the supreme court decides, hey, we have at least 5-4 to completely ignore all kinds of laws and elections and norms and just hand the presidency to the guy the court majority prefers, then they could do that.

personally, i think this is a bridge too far even for the radical right members of the supreme court. had the election been close, or had there been an actual controversy, then sure, they would have stolen it for donnie, just like they stole it for shrub in 2000.

but the election wasn't actually close or really in dispute. it's just a propaganda dispute. so i don't think the supreme court would actually overturn this election. too obvious. 2000 was close, they could get away with it. not this time.

that said, coups can often look silly and improbable right up until they actually succeed. in the end, we're relying on 5 right-wingers not to agree to be complete schmucks.


so i can't say the probability is zero.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
31. Like it's 50/50 that I'll make sweet love to Beyonce today.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

Either I will.

Or.

I won't.

Fifty-fifty.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. Missed it by that much, eh?
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 08:20 PM
Dec 2020

What specifically (and logically valid) lead you to allege it had a 50/50 chance?

Kingofalldems

(38,359 posts)
35. Next: The Electoral College
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 08:21 PM
Dec 2020

50-50

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
36. Another in a string of Trump failures
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:24 AM
Dec 2020

and FUD flailings. Can we stop now?

Sam1

(498 posts)
37. For the next four years
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:53 AM
Dec 2020

all we are going to hear will in the be the Lost Cause, the Bloody Shirt, and the Stab in the Back all rolled in to one. Trump is not going away! And if he does someone else will show up to carry on the good fight!

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