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lapfog_1
(29,969 posts)better than 50/50 that we are screwed
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,163 posts)cire41
(34 posts)jcgoldie
(11,971 posts)50/50 chance
Kingofalldems
(39,176 posts)obamanut2012
(27,716 posts)was even earlier.
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VMA131Marine
(4,558 posts)But if they agree to hear it then all bets are off on what they will do. That would be a sign that the fix is in and the 5 partisans on the court are going to rule in Trumps favour no matter what the evidence shows. I dont expect that because it would be seen as a blatantly partisan decision.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Fuckin' 'ell.
Thekaspervote
(34,363 posts)Schooled constitutional and SCOTUS experts have weighed in..so please
dware
(14,310 posts)obamanut2012
(27,716 posts)dware
(14,310 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I don't know if I'd say 50/50 but the odds of Trump's success with this avenue are not nearly as infinitesimal as many are making it out to be. I'd give it a 15% chance of working myself.
I'd bet that Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are all lobbying to take up the case.
dware
(14,310 posts)I wouldn't even give it that much, more like, IMHO, less than 7%.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)That cannot be allowed to stand.
You know that right?
dware
(14,310 posts)If that were to happen, the country would cease to exist as we know it, there would be massive civil disobedience, probably CW2, the country would disintegrate, which is exactly why, besides TX. ridiculous lawsuit, the SC will not hear this.
obamanut2012
(27,716 posts)All the Blue States would sue Red States, etc. They can't allow this, and deny, say, CA suing TX.
dware
(14,310 posts)It would be the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)and on message boards and twitter and facebook.
I don't believe anyone's prepared to do what would become necessary.
First step being ... NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY ... goes to freaking work.
dware
(14,310 posts)But, that's my opinion.
Have a great Friday.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Hopefully, that turns out to be nothing because this BS gets laughed out of court.
Which is what I'm best at, really.
dware
(14,310 posts)Amishman
(5,754 posts)On a level not seen in 155 years. They are conservative - not stupid. They also have lifetime appointments and will be inclined to look at the big picture
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Cite your case law. What are the applicable precedents? Can you provide us with a taste of your background in Constitutional law?
Proud liberal 80
(4,294 posts)Just know that 5 of these justices are political hacks and dont care about that shit.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Will you cease to spread your FUD for a few days at least?
Proud liberal 80
(4,294 posts)dware
(14,310 posts)Just because Pissollini nominated them doesn't mean that they will vote in his favor.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)most secure election in history will almost certainly fail? Such a thing should never have happened here in the first place. What have they learned during this process that will make it easier for them to actually succeed next time?
A door that is never opened, opened once, becomes a door that is more frequently used.
unblock
(54,065 posts)it's that what little functional democracy we have left is in great jeopardy with so many people in power, in our media, and across the country willing to completely jettison the will of the people.
unblock
(54,065 posts)it don't think it's close to 50/50, but it's not tiny either.
those who completely dismiss it give too much weight to what the institutions are *supposed* to do, what the law says, what the norms are, etc.
those who think a coup has a non-zero change figure that it all depends on just how corrupt the institutions have become, because in the end it all depends on the integrity of the people in the various institutions.
if the supreme court decides, hey, we have at least 5-4 to completely ignore all kinds of laws and elections and norms and just hand the presidency to the guy the court majority prefers, then they could do that.
personally, i think this is a bridge too far even for the radical right members of the supreme court. had the election been close, or had there been an actual controversy, then sure, they would have stolen it for donnie, just like they stole it for shrub in 2000.
but the election wasn't actually close or really in dispute. it's just a propaganda dispute. so i don't think the supreme court would actually overturn this election. too obvious. 2000 was close, they could get away with it. not this time.
that said, coups can often look silly and improbable right up until they actually succeed. in the end, we're relying on 5 right-wingers not to agree to be complete schmucks.
so i can't say the probability is zero.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Either I will.
Or.
I won't.
Fifty-fifty.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What specifically (and logically valid) lead you to allege it had a 50/50 chance?
Kingofalldems
(39,176 posts)50-50
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and FUD flailings. Can we stop now?
Sam1
(498 posts)all we are going to hear will in the be the Lost Cause, the Bloody Shirt, and the Stab in the Back all rolled in to one. Trump is not going away! And if he does someone else will show up to carry on the good fight!
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