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Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 OP
lapfog_1 Dec 2020 #1
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #14
cire41 Dec 2020 #20
jcgoldie Dec 2020 #2
Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #3
obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #7
dware Dec 2020 #11
VMA131Marine Dec 2020 #4
greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #5
Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #6
dware Dec 2020 #13
obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #8
dware Dec 2020 #9
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #10
dware Dec 2020 #12
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #15
dware Dec 2020 #16
obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #17
dware Dec 2020 #18
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #27
dware Dec 2020 #28
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #29
dware Dec 2020 #32
Amishman Dec 2020 #19
Codeine Dec 2020 #21
Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 #22
Codeine Dec 2020 #24
Proud liberal 80 Dec 2020 #25
dware Dec 2020 #26
Mike 03 Dec 2020 #23
unblock Dec 2020 #33
unblock Dec 2020 #30
Saboburns Dec 2020 #31
LanternWaste Dec 2020 #34
Kingofalldems Dec 2020 #35
Codeine Dec 2020 #36
Sam1 Dec 2020 #37
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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

1. if scotus agrees to hear the case

better than 50/50 that we are screwed

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:19 AM

14. No way Roberts wants this case.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM

20. Or the federalist Gorsuch n/t

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:57 AM

2. Lol

50/50 chance

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:58 AM

3. Early today I see.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:06 AM

7. do a search

was even earlier.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:00 AM

4. SCOTUS has no business agreeing to hear the TX case

But if they agree to hear it then all bets are off on what they will do. That would be a sign that the fix is in and the 5 partisans on the court are going to rule in Trumpís favour no matter what the evidence shows. I donít expect that because it would be seen as a blatantly partisan decision.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:03 AM

5. Jaysus Mary and Joseph give it a fucking rest already

 

Fuckin' 'ell.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:06 AM

6. Oh please..how many times are you going to post this same concern?

Schooled constitutional and SCOTUS experts have weighed in..so please

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:17 AM

13. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it. nt

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:07 AM

8. lolz

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:07 AM

9. And another one.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:13 AM

10. Personally think a lot of the posters on this thread are whistling past the proverbial graveyard

I don't know if I'd say 50/50 but the odds of Trump's success with this avenue are not nearly as infinitesimal as many are making it out to be. I'd give it a 15% chance of working myself.

I'd bet that Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas are all lobbying to take up the case.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:16 AM

12. Respectfully,

I wouldn't even give it that much, more like, IMHO, less than 7%.

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Response to dware (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:23 AM

15. What I want to know is ... what are we all prepared to do if this fuckery takes place?

That cannot be allowed to stand.

You know that right?

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:28 AM

16. Yes, I do know that.

If that were to happen, the country would cease to exist as we know it, there would be massive civil disobedience, probably CW2, the country would disintegrate, which is exactly why, besides TX. ridiculous lawsuit, the SC will not hear this.

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Response to dware (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:29 AM

17. All of this, ane every other state would start suing other states for this

All the Blue States would sue Red States, etc. They can't allow this, and deny, say, CA suing TX.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM

18. Exactly!!!

It would be the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks.

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Response to dware (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:40 AM

27. Yeah? My feeling is our side wouldn't do shit other than whine to the media ...

and on message boards and twitter and facebook.

I don't believe anyone's prepared to do what would become necessary.

First step being ... NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY ... goes to freaking work.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:42 AM

28. I think you badly underestimate what we would do.

But, that's my opinion.
Have a great Friday.

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Response to dware (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

29. Well, I promise you whatever it is we're doing ... I WILL BE THERE DOING IT ...



Hopefully, that turns out to be nothing because this BS gets laughed out of court.

Which is what I'm best at, really.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:46 AM

32. And I'll be right there with you.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:32 AM

19. They know that stealing the election from Biden will be domestic violence

On a level not seen in 155 years. They are conservative - not stupid. They also have lifetime appointments and will be inclined to look at the big picture

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:35 AM

21. To you it's a 50/50 shot?

 

Cite your case law. What are the applicable precedents? Can you provide us with a taste of your background in Constitutional law?

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Response to Codeine (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:37 AM

22. Don't have any of those credentials

Just know that 5 of these justices are political hacks and donít care about that shit.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:38 AM

24. And when it fails utterly?

 

Will you cease to spread your FUD for a few days at least?

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Response to Codeine (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:39 AM

25. Yes

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:39 AM

26. Where's your proof that they "don't care about that shit"?

Just because Pissollini nominated them doesn't mean that they will vote in his favor.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:37 AM

23. Why is it somehow not comforting that a widespread attempt to overturn the

most secure election in history will almost certainly fail? Such a thing should never have happened here in the first place. What have they learned during this process that will make it easier for them to actually succeed next time?

A door that is never opened, opened once, becomes a door that is more frequently used.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:47 AM

33. exactly. the real concern here is not that it will succeed *this* time.

it's that what little functional democracy we have left is in great jeopardy with so many people in power, in our media, and across the country willing to completely jettison the will of the people.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

30. the people who understand how coups work (when they work) know that it's not out of the question

it don't think it's close to 50/50, but it's not tiny either.

those who completely dismiss it give too much weight to what the institutions are *supposed* to do, what the law says, what the norms are, etc.

those who think a coup has a non-zero change figure that it all depends on just how corrupt the institutions have become, because in the end it all depends on the integrity of the people in the various institutions.

if the supreme court decides, hey, we have at least 5-4 to completely ignore all kinds of laws and elections and norms and just hand the presidency to the guy the court majority prefers, then they could do that.

personally, i think this is a bridge too far even for the radical right members of the supreme court. had the election been close, or had there been an actual controversy, then sure, they would have stolen it for donnie, just like they stole it for shrub in 2000.

but the election wasn't actually close or really in dispute. it's just a propaganda dispute. so i don't think the supreme court would actually overturn this election. too obvious. 2000 was close, they could get away with it. not this time.

that said, coups can often look silly and improbable right up until they actually succeed. in the end, we're relying on 5 right-wingers not to agree to be complete schmucks.


so i can't say the probability is zero.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:45 AM

31. Like it's 50/50 that I'll make sweet love to Beyonce today.

Either I will.

Or.

I won't.

Fifty-fifty.

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 08:20 PM

34. Missed it by that much, eh?

 

What specifically (and logically valid) lead you to allege it had a 50/50 chance?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 11, 2020, 08:21 PM

35. Next: The Electoral College

50-50

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:24 AM

36. Another in a string of Trump failures

 

and FUD flailings. Can we stop now?

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Response to Proud liberal 80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:53 AM

37. For the next four years

all we are going to hear will in the be the Lost Cause, the Bloody Shirt, and the Stab in the Back all rolled in to one. Trump is not going away! And if he does someone else will show up to carry on the good fight!

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