Any good left-wing conspiracies out there?

[luv2fly]

The other day on the radio I heard that a current right-wing conspiracy is that the covid vaccine will turn us all into walking 5G antennas. I had to laugh at that one, and if it improves my cell reception in rural America I'm all for it.

We all read and hear about right-wing conspiracies, but I can't recall any recent or even recent past left-wing conspiracies. Is there such a thing, and if so are the conspiracies supported by more than a very small percentage of people?

[Turin_C3PO]

1. MIHOP

is an old one that used to be entertained at this very site. It stands for “Made it happen on purpose” and asserts that the Bush administration orchestrated the attacks on 9/11.

[luv2fly]

3. Then certainly the Trump administration created Covid

After all, amongst his base it has only made him more popular.

[mr_lebowski]

8. And I still entertain THE POSSIBILITY myself ...

I don't think it's likely, mind you.

LIHOP?

Also still entirely possible in my book and a lot less unlikely than MIHOP. Which is not to say they thought it would be as bad as it was if they did LIHOP.

And this wasn't a strictly 'left wing' conspiracy. Klayman & Judicial Watch were some of the original Truthers.

[Turin_C3PO]

24. LIHOP is more plausible.

Yeah, I know now that some wingers are Truthers but years ago, I saw it a lot at this site.

[mr_lebowski]

25. I actually got kicked off this site for being a truther way back when ...

I've given up most of my suspicions, but remain highly skeptical about the official story surrounding Hani Hanjour's demonstrably incredible flying skills (Pentagon Pilot), and still believe that various Saudi royals and military assets were very close to the plot.

[PatSeg]

27. Yes, I still lean toward LIHOP

They certainly did take advantage of the tragedy, of that there is no doubt. Cheney and his pals wanted to make their Project for a New American Century a reality and GW was just itching to get into Iraq and take out Saddam. (Presidents with "daddy issues" can really be dangerous.) Meanwhile, a lot of people made a ton of money and people in the Middle East are still living with the repercussions.

I don't buy a lot of the conspiracy theories, but I still seriously doubt the government's official version.

[Hortensis]

45. Yes. That they "LIH" is proven by their documented refusal

to take action and their blocking of action by the institutions many of them helped create to stop pandemics.

That doesn't mean the incompetence and callous negligence intrinsic to corrupt authoritarians in government couldn't also have played parts, and I expect some of that to come out also.

Early last summer, I heard Maddow and another evening anchor speak briefly of that de facto and well documented LIH and the need for investigation later of that and question of "OP," the why you speak of, but they both said for now all attention needed to be on the pandemic itself and stopping it. I'm sure they're the tip of the iceberg on that. Looking like at least 400,000 dead alone, could be half a million, before this is over.

[treestar]

2. Not recently.

I recall reading of some in the 80s when I used to read all the political magazines, including fringe ones.

The conspiracy at the top to control the whole planet, usually by corporations, has always existed.

I heard a black woman on the radio declare that AIDS, back in the 80s, was a deliberate act of genocide against black people. So of course that meant is was made in a lab and deliberately released. It seemed to affect gay men and heroin addicts most, not black people as a group, maybe that was unintended.

911 truthers could have come from the left, because the attempts at more restrictions on liberty in the name of preventing terrorism was the reason Cheney and Bush made the conspiracy. It is now almost quaint to think how we feared Bush was trying to become a dictator.

[luv2fly]

6. Made me think of this SNL skit

About a minute and a half in where Bush mentions Trump makes him look pretty good in comparison.

[treestar]

20. So funny!

"Those were the Days"

[Laelth]

4. Remember Lake Travis?

That was a good one.

-Laelth

[LeftInTX]

47. No...did it have to do with the Trump floatilla?

[Laelth]

48. Yes, indeed.

A left (and right) wing conspiracy theory holds that all those boats were sunk by the Antifa Navy.

I am not authorized to speak on this subject.

-Laelth

[Shermann]

5. "Left-wing conspiracy theory" is a bit of an oxymoron

That said, there has been some far-left anti-vaccine paranoia as I understand it.

[Hortensis]

37. Oh, sadly NO. There's a lot of conspiracism on the left,

the farther you go, the more. And it overlaps with conspiracism from the right. A tendency to conspiracist reactions is a personality trait, part of a cluster of problem traits that some just have so strongly that it derails rationality. But this era fosters it to pathologic degrees.

We're also in an era of increase in anti-science (or just "beyond science" wisdom as some think of it) woo, particularly among millennials. Part of the same syndrome, of course.

And also of course, and no coincidence at all, this is an era when intense dishonesty to support whatever one wants is so common as to be almost normalized, with strong overlap with conspiracism among many. The Nina Turner and Trump types would have shot themselves down with their..."alternative facts" in another era, but in this one toxic numbers of voters require them, a qualification for the leaders they'll support.

[Shermann]

42. These are just generalizations and not examples asked for by the OP

If there's a "lot" then let's hear specifics. The examples so far in this thread look a bit threadbare to me.

[Hortensis]

43. You want an example? Here's a WHOPPER of a giant LW conspiracy:

Just one instance of conspiracy agitators Nina Turner and Sirota doing their usual pushing of a fictional giant conspiracy of Democrats and business against "the people" and environment. We see this delusion fed everywhere to the hapless victims who trust LW politicians as manipulative as anyone the right produces.

Link to tweet

In case you don't know, President-Elect Biden is one of the earliest and strongest climate warriors in government, an extremely valuable ally for almost a half century to all real activist groups in this fight. But the LW conspiracy spreaders and their hapless victims claim he's an "corrupt corporatist" demon burning down the planet for greed.

Senator Biden to the senate in 1986: "Life on this planet exists only under highly specialized circumstances. Indeed, so special are these circumstances that even a small rise in temperature could disrupt the entire complicated environment that has nurtured life as we know it."

Greta Thunberger endorsed Biden for president, but you'll never hear it from Sirota or Turner, or any of their sort, because that doesn't fit the conspiracy they're peddling.

[BGBD]

7. lol

Before I finished reading your first paragraph I thought..."well if it improves my reception."

[dweller]

9. On ABC GMA today

In a segment on the vaccine shipments they said UPS and FEDEX would be adding GPS tracking devices to the vaccine shipments ... that’s going to be sooo
misinterpreted soon ...

✌🏻

[CaptYossarian]

10. Almost 40 years ago, there was supposed to have been a WH party where Ronnie smoked pot, while Nancy

was in bed with Sinatra.

All of the more outrageous ones since then were proven to be true. Thanks Electoral College. You have even made the outrageous to become mainstream.

[UCmeNdc]

11. It seems like all of the so called far left conspiracies of past are now the far right conspiracies

9/11 truthers are now part of QAnon people.

The vaccines are used to control you are all over right wing sites. etc. etc.

[Polybius]

31. There's still a couple here left

Posted in the Creative Speculation.

[JHB]

49. I've certainly heard "deep state" conspiracy talk from lefties back in the 80s

I don't recall whether they used that exact phrase. I think maybe it was "permanent government" because administrations came and went, but the lifers in various agencies remained. This was in regard to the CIA, FBI, and thwarting of reform efforts stemming from 1970s investigation of abuses.

[brooklynite]

12. I've read that Republicans steal elections with rigged voting machines

(Can't remember where I heard that.....)

[UCmeNdc]

13. That would be me and I still say it. Paper ballots should be the baseline in all states.

[PatSeg]

29. Yes, not all conspiracies are bogus theories

There are some that are real. Voter suppression and rigged voting machines for example.

[brewens]

14. Remember the reporter from Talon News at The White House? Jeff Gannon. It was claimed he was

actually a gay escort also known as James Guckert, that was also secretly employed and plying his real trade on overnight stays at the White House. Oh wait. That one was true!

[Codeine]

15. All that COVID and 5G shit is as prevalent on the Left

as it is on the Right. Don’t kid yourselves, we’ve got no shortage of morons hiding in the wings.

[UCmeNdc]

16. When you go to conservative web sites you see Q and all of these strange claims everywhere.

Not really on the liberal websites so much.

[Codeine]

22. This place used to be crawling with CT garbage.

9-11 nonsense was inescapable, as an example. There’s a reason the mods built a dungeon for that stuff — eventually the worst of the lot fucked off for more CT-friendly environs. MOSSAD was another favorite, and weather/seismic control.

[Turin_C3PO]

26. I think the difference

appears to be that conspiracy thinking seems to be mainstream among right wingers while the leftie conspiracists seem to be more marginalized.

[LeftInTX]

38. UFOs

[Codeine]

46. Oh yeah, that shit popped up the other day.

Forgot about that.

[beastie boy]

17. I heard the one about the right wing broadcast, cable and social media...

conspiring to brainwash their audiences to elect a lying narcissist criminal to the Presidency of the US in order to destroy the Republic and replace it with an oligarchy similar to Putin's Russia.

...Oh wait...

[LiberalArkie]

18. We have not had a good left-wing CT in so many years. When we think that we have found one

it turns out to be true. I think the only one left at the moment is that the Trumps are really grey skinned lizard people. Where have all the creative minds gone.

[LiberalArkie]

19. How about the Covid vaccine makes people conservative?

[Poiuyt]

21. Ron Johnson strangled his neighbor's dog

On Twitter:

Sen Ron Johnson is my neighbor and strangled our dog, Buttons, right in front of my 4 yr old son and 3 yr old daughter. The police refuse to investigate.This is a complete lie but important to retweet and note that there are more of my lies to come.

[luv2fly]

35. Just laughed out loud for a good twenty seconds

Thank you

[Sneederbunk]

23. Trump is from the lost planet Oron.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

28. Yep. Truth, rationality, humility and honesty are a few, with activities like.....

meditation, community, charity and GOTV.

Strange, wild-eyed bunch we are.......

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. According to a PPP survey from 2013...

... liberals were significantly more likely to believe in these conspiracies:
1. The CIA was instrumental in distributing crack cocaine into America’s inner cities in the 1980s.
2. The moon landing was faked.

Link:
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf

I'm especially surprised by the moon landing survey results! It seems more likely to me that anti-government Republicans would think they were faked. The percentages were very small, regardless.

Conservatives were more likely to believe the other conspiracy ideas, or there was little difference.

I was also surprised that conservatives were more likely to think the JFK assassination was a multi-person conspiracy.

[Polybius]

32. I only believe in two major conspiracies

JFK and TWA Flight 800. That one I'll never forget.

[boston bean]

33. The DNC and democrats rig elections against Bernie

[Hortensis]

44. Yes, that one gave us Trump and Repub control of congress.

I don't badmouth Sanders these days while Biden's calling him his friend, though. Or remind people that the only attempted election theft during that primary was extremely similar to the trumpists current attempts to steal the presidential election for the candidate who lost.

[greenjar_01]

34. 9/11 Truth, though that's really all-purpose nuttery at this point

[UCmeNdc]

36. Here are the current right wing conspiracies. They are all over the right wing web sites.

The right wing believes:

* China is behind the release of the virus, they are trying to take over the world.

* The mainstream news outlets cannot be trusted, they are biased against trump, and republicans.

* Facts presented in the mainstream media cannot be believed because the secret cabal is controlling everything. (This goes for science too)

* Nothing you read or see anywhere can be trusted. (except for her sources of news, whatever they are, she would not tell me where she is getting her information)

* There is a secret cabal running the world. (Which includes George Soros, and assorted socialists)

* Trump is blameless concerning Covid

* Trump started space force because he is in contact with aliens, and is going to save the world.

[LeftInTX]

39. Trump is gonna die any minute .......for the past 4 years

Trump is faking his Covid 19
Rudy is faking Covid 19
Trump has alzheimers
Trump is gonna resign
Trump wears diapers - not just diapers for leakage, but he's fully incontinent and needs to have them changed..(I used to work in a nursing home and took care of a few people like that..and no...if he was like that he would have poop leaking out the sides and down his legs)
Trump is gonna be indicted for having sex with underage girls
Underage girl gets death threats from Trump

[betsuni]

40. I have one!

President Obama's new book was in my Amazon cart. I was waiting for another memoir to come out so didn't order. Then one day got a message that Obama's book was unavailable from Amazon, I'd have to order it from other sources, much more expensive. I thought maybe it was because it was sold out or something, but it's been a long time. Today I checked his other books, and Michelles, and it's the same, unavailable from Amazon. WHY DOESN'T AMAZON WANT ME TO BUY THESE BOOKS? CONSPIRACY.

[JI7]

41. Something about Comic-Con