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Steve Schmidt of the Lincoln Project Reaches Out to AOC (Original Post) FelineOverlord Dec 2020 OP
It's part of a thread. . .8 tweets in all. DinahMoeHum Dec 2020 #1
Thanks for the link True Dough Dec 2020 #2
TY for that. This is a brilliant move on Steve's part. Hekate Dec 2020 #66
Yes it is. Very nicely put and conciliatory. Yet some now seem to be questioning his motives. George II Dec 2020 #74
Ah yes, it is ever thus... Hekate Dec 2020 #80
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #105
+2. disndat Dec 2020 #164
+1000 sheshe2 Dec 2020 #148
*Insert all the things you said about Twitter being ineffective here* Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #143
What are you talking about? George II Dec 2020 #144
I'm sure you can figure it out. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #150
If I could figure it out I wouldn't have asked. George II Dec 2020 #158
Very cool. k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2020 #3
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2020 #4
this was an incredible move Chili Dec 2020 #5
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Dec 2020 #94
R&K MerryBlooms Dec 2020 #6
Why doesn't he just communicate with her directly? Raven123 Dec 2020 #7
Because he wants a public to know that they are transparent, a Democratic value. ancianita Dec 2020 #14
Perhaps he has. But a good question. KPN Dec 2020 #15
I think you are right, he most probably even connected with her before sending the tweets Escurumbele Dec 2020 #165
Because she's not the only audience for their message DrToast Dec 2020 #21
As always, with TLP. Hekate Dec 2020 #69
Who says he isn't? This is making his hope of unity against the right public. Hortensis Dec 2020 #100
I like it. Together we are stronger. SS has not been dishonest about spooky3 Dec 2020 #8
+1000! LearnedHand Dec 2020 #10
Love The One You're With Tommymac Dec 2020 #40
Get together Whatthe_Firetruck Dec 2020 #92
Isn't Bernie working with a Republican on a R B Garr Dec 2020 #9
Yes, he is; Josh Hawley. Montana Republican oldsoftie Dec 2020 #30
Hawley is from Missouri. nt PunkinPi Dec 2020 #35
Oops! Thank you. oldsoftie Dec 2020 #157
Hawley from Missouri is one swarmy liar. gordianot Dec 2020 #43
What do they tip a congresswoman who graduated college with an international relations Autumn Dec 2020 #11
They tip their hats ToxMarz Dec 2020 #13
Great reply! StarryNite Dec 2020 #16
Yet they make no mention of her major accomplishments achieved while Autumn Dec 2020 #17
Exactly melman Dec 2020 #22
They should be careful what they ask for. Autumn Dec 2020 #31
Or they are recognizing her accomplishments and consider her a great voice. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #26
I saw no recognizing of her many accomplishments, just tooting their own horn. nt Autumn Dec 2020 #29
If you read through the full string of tweets you will see his admiration for her. femmedem Dec 2020 #97
Look for darkness in every silver lining; great way to live! oldsoftie Dec 2020 #32
Where's the silver lining? Their policies brought us to where we are. They may want Autumn Dec 2020 #34
I think they are recognizing she is a leader of the younger part of the party questionseverything Dec 2020 #155
She brings up her resume all by herself & often. What is your point? That he should pretend ... Hekate Dec 2020 #78
+100 to Hekate. They're responding to a previous comment from her side. nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #101
First is to agree on the nature of the problems randr Dec 2020 #12
Discuss serious issues in terms of shared interests, facts, ideas, and solutions Martin Eden Dec 2020 #18
Incredibly condescending melman Dec 2020 #19
"Huh? What"? Part XXVI LanternWaste Dec 2020 #28
Right. Because I'm the only one... melman Dec 2020 #33
Agreed. There comes a time when we have to stop seeing every open hand as one that NoRoadUntravelled Dec 2020 #39
Maybe you should wait SophieJean Dec 2020 #53
Well yes, and no. plimsoll Dec 2020 #38
He is actually giving honor to her roots and understand where she is coming from AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #56
More: When ideology and radical personality require implacable hostility, Hortensis Dec 2020 #102
There is a massive danger there AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #104
Right. And otherwise, we could see Ocasio and Schmidt in prison, Hortensis Dec 2020 #106
AOC and TLP would make a great relationship AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #117
Her message is helping the working class, she wants people to know she has done betsuni Dec 2020 #108
Yes, I thought he was talking about it in the abstract the treestar Dec 2020 #170
They claim to be big tippers, but they refuse to give workers, including waitresses, a living wage. Cassidy Dec 2020 #65
The Lincoln Project got a lot more believable for me. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #20
The kind of Gopers who tip at 50%! That's like .0000001 % of the gop. Mc Mike Dec 2020 #23
He has been fighting the fight but ... Miigwech Dec 2020 #24
Do you expect Democrats to hold absolute power in perpetuity? BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #50
Some people still think if we ran socialist candidates AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #57
Lauding Schmidt and derisive of actual Dems. Ok then. JudyM Dec 2020 #139
Do you mean socialists? AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #149
No. Dems. You are making my point. JudyM Dec 2020 #151
They all come from the same pot of stew. Miigwech Dec 2020 #71
"Democrats in charge" -- with a minority in The Senate and a razor thin majority in the House... Hekate Dec 2020 #91
Well, lets see first. Can Democrats do something really big despite Miigwech Dec 2020 #95
FDR had large majorities in congress and Republicans willing to work with him. betsuni Dec 2020 #109
There is a lot of weird gross shit in that thread. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #25
Hey, who is dissing waitresses? My Mom as a youngster was a waitress. NCjack Dec 2020 #27
Certainly not Steve Schmidt. He's acknowledging a part of her resume she herself has highlighted Hekate Dec 2020 #89
That's why we tip in cash. marie999 Dec 2020 #90
Please, please, please come to the table for the benefit of our nation and our CONSTITUTION! usaf-vet Dec 2020 #36
Prisoner's dilemma Nasruddin Dec 2020 #37
Assuming the recipient is proficient in Game Theory AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #58
No assumption necessary Nasruddin Dec 2020 #85
Question for Schmidt then... ananda Dec 2020 #162
'Some of my best friends are waitresses.' LudwigPastorius Dec 2020 #41
Steve and the guys are probably kinda' tone deaf to their own condescension. jaxexpat Dec 2020 #42
I think it was said with good intentions. The backlash against him is not helping LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #44
It's an intergenerational conflict bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #45
Stevie wants the attention to continue past the tRump admin, and... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #46
LOL BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #47
I, for one, have never said that melman Dec 2020 #51
Yep. mzmolly Dec 2020 #70
I am no fan of TLP, but I haven't seen anyone saying they would start attacking Biden.. aidbo Dec 2020 #82
That's what they were hoping JI7 Dec 2020 #99
The rule is to always ascribe diabolical motives to anything Democrats do, and now anything betsuni Dec 2020 #112
Oh yes, exactly. Looks like a lot of outrage and denial R B Garr Dec 2020 #153
"Coalition" means you don't have to like someone to be able to work with them on Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2020 #48
Yes. We need to concentrate on what's important. scipan Dec 2020 #77
Being willing to work with fascist enablers is not the same as coalition building. aidbo Dec 2020 #83
No one said it was. Brllliant example of a straw man fallacy - kudos. Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2020 #96
+1 n/t ariadne0614 Dec 2020 #160
I approve this message. WheelWalker Dec 2020 #49
His public appeal sort of says she's not taking his phone calls bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #52
Uh oh, this could cause a rift in the space time continuum. Mr. Sparkle Dec 2020 #54
This is not condescending. It is a very positive initiative Schmidt is making Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #55
You said it better than I could've MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #59
He ''wonders if she has the wisdom'' melman Dec 2020 #61
Not the best choice of words there granted Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #64
Important to remember he's not just musing to himself melman Dec 2020 #68
The tagging meant that he was directly saying ALL of what he wrote there to her Tom Rinaldo Dec 2020 #73
The "wisdom' one is a separate tweet melman Dec 2020 #76
'And if she gives me the response that I deserve.. aidbo Dec 2020 #86
Exactly melman Dec 2020 #93
When you are over 50 it is easy to wonder treestar Dec 2020 #171
Schmidt was around 40 when... melman Dec 2020 #173
OK per his personal experience treestar Dec 2020 #175
All of what you said so well, Tom, especially, "he recognizes that she is a leader" ... Hekate Dec 2020 #88
I absolutely agree, nt ShazzieB Dec 2020 #135
why is she mad at steve? samnsara Dec 2020 #60
Hillary said it best, we are stronger together dlk Dec 2020 #63
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #115
He isn't a democrat and doesn't want to become one, does he? questionseverything Dec 2020 #154
Schmidt and his cronies would like to start up a new political party dlk Dec 2020 #166
Just read the whole thing. This is brilliant. Ball's in your court, Congresswoman. Hekate Dec 2020 #67
Ironic that a repuke speaks to her with more respect than some Dems Doremus Dec 2020 #72
Apparently this is in response to something directed his way. Good for him. Now....waiting. George II Dec 2020 #75
America needs an honest dialogue about what changes "the left" would like to see robbob Dec 2020 #79
I hope AOC takes him up on it. Staph Dec 2020 #81
I do too. Even from her own point of view, she would lose nothing by talking, and if anything, would OnDoutside Dec 2020 #87
+1! ShazzieB Dec 2020 #138
"the center looks like it is going to withstand the onslaught..." R B Garr Dec 2020 #179
I remember when I thought Steve was extreme budkin Dec 2020 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author DoBotherMe Dec 2020 #98
Yet another excuse to refuse to unite against the hierarchical authoritarian Hortensis Dec 2020 #103
I'm just asking Schmidt to talk to AOC DoBotherMe Dec 2020 #107
He is talking to her,the way she talks to us--via Twitter. Need I say this is also quite transparent? Hekate Dec 2020 #110
She is an elected representive melman Dec 2020 #113
He's not a republican. George II Dec 2020 #119
What is he? melman Dec 2020 #120
He has to be "something"? Come to think of it, for now he's the same as Bernie Sanders - independent George II Dec 2020 #121
Why hasn't he a become a Democrat? melman Dec 2020 #122
Schmidt or Sanders? George II Dec 2020 #123
Schmidt melman Dec 2020 #124
Perhaps both? But The Lincoln Project has a contact page: George II Dec 2020 #125
I don't need to ask him melman Dec 2020 #126
Then why did you ask? George II Dec 2020 #127
On what policies does he differ from Republicans? melman Dec 2020 #128
Don't know, don't care. I know what he and the rest of the Lincoln Project did to help Biden win... George II Dec 2020 #129
You don't care? melman Dec 2020 #130
Generally people don't ask simply because they're interested in what someone else's answer is... George II Dec 2020 #131
see post #126 melman Dec 2020 #132
See post #122. George II Dec 2020 #133
Already saw that melman Dec 2020 #134
Of course you saw that, it was your post. But if you don't need to ask HIM about it, why ask me? George II Dec 2020 #136
See post #130 melman Dec 2020 #137
Why? Are you backtracking on #122? George II Dec 2020 #142
Backtracking on a question? melman Dec 2020 #146
Sorry, we don't agree that Steve Schmidt is a republican. He's not.... George II Dec 2020 #147
To answer a question that I didn't have a chance to answer, just because.... George II Dec 2020 #168
Post removed Post removed Dec 2020 #145
Many here have asked that about Senator Sanders. ehrnst Dec 2020 #169
gee whiz melman Dec 2020 #172
I can understand why answering that might be awkward for you. ehrnst Dec 2020 #174
gee whiz ehrnst Dec 2020 #178
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #114
God, you have no idea or appreciation of all you have to lose. Hortensis Dec 2020 #111
I have no idea why you are attacking me DoBotherMe Dec 2020 #118
American conservatism is changing andym Dec 2020 #140
This. My deceased father would be horrified moonscape Dec 2020 #152
+1000. Specially meaningful from your parents child. Nt Hortensis Dec 2020 #177
Doesn't the OP show that he IS talking to her? George II Dec 2020 #116
Steve and the small government conservative type may soon be in the minority in the GOP andym Dec 2020 #141
I hope she is serious and mature enough to see the value Maru Kitteh Dec 2020 #156
In referencing a part of her story (waitressing) that A0C herself highlights, lapucelle Dec 2020 #159
I (greatly) admire the Lincoln Project My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #161
Know you enemy, aoc can do more with what the Lincoln group can offer. sigpooie Dec 2020 #163
He's calling her a waitress? Polybius Dec 2020 #167
She has referred to herself as a waitress frequently on Twitter, and lately she's been downplaying.. George II Dec 2020 #176

True Dough

(20,603 posts)
2. Thanks for the link
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:49 AM
Dec 2020

I particularly like this one:


"Your conviction. You are a living example of democracy and the importance of faith and belief in the system. We are one election away from losing this country to Autocrats. We stand with you against that. We hope you will stand with us also."

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
80. Ah yes, it is ever thus...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

We must go this alone, shining in our ideological and moral purity, until gloriously martyred upon the ramparts — having achieved nothing.

sheshe2

(87,868 posts)
148. +1000
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:41 PM
Dec 2020
We must go this alone, shining in our ideological and moral purity, until gloriously martyred upon the ramparts — having achieved nothing.


You nailed it. "Having achieved nothing"

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,187 posts)
143. *Insert all the things you said about Twitter being ineffective here*
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:05 PM
Dec 2020

Or does that just apply to AOC's use of Twitter?

Chili

(1,725 posts)
5. this was an incredible move
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:57 AM
Dec 2020

I know there are people who don't trust Schmidt, but the thing I'll always remember is him basically telling Sarah Palin to fuck off on election night when she wanted McCain not to concede.

Response to Chili (Reply #5)

Response to Post removed (Reply #62)

ancianita

(38,771 posts)
14. Because he wants a public to know that they are transparent, a Democratic value.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:33 AM
Dec 2020

He probably will communicate with her directly, but wants the public to know about the outreach first.

KPN

(16,151 posts)
15. Perhaps he has. But a good question.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:37 AM
Dec 2020

I suppose there is some value in demonstrating collegiality publicly. If nothing else, it sets an example.

Escurumbele

(3,633 posts)
165. I think you are right, he most probably even connected with her before sending the tweets
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 10:42 AM
Dec 2020

and let her know that he would.

Yes, we all must unite. I have heard many at DU say they don't trust "Lincoln Project" that once the elections were done they would become what they have always been, republicans. And I have to agree with that statement to some extent, but the reality is that at this time, whether we differ in our politics, there is one clear goal that unite us, and that is to preserve Democracy, and to get rid of those who intend to destroy it.

I particularly find AOC a big asset to the Democratic party, but I also understand that she is young and she needs to pick her fights in a more political stance, one where she expresses her thoughts as she did when she responded to the abuse of those two republicans when they insulted her, that was poetic, and to know when to criticize her own and not do it in public but instead find the moment to talk to them directly and in private. I have a feeling that Biden or Harris would welcome a visit from her.

But...also at DU, we should not bash one of our own as I have seen people in DU bash AOC. even yesterday, and I cannot recall what the topic was on one post, but it definitely did not have anything to do with AOC, but that did not stop someone to take the opportunity to take a shot at her. That also needs to stop, she is one of us, and she is damn good.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Who says he isn't? This is making his hope of unity against the right public.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:10 PM
Dec 2020

I'm sure his people have been approaching hers all along. That's what people who intend to defeat what the Republicans have become do -- form unbeatable alliances.

spooky3

(36,323 posts)
8. I like it. Together we are stronger. SS has not been dishonest about
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:01 AM
Dec 2020

The directions of changes he would like to see made in our country. But the similarities are stronger than the differences, IMHO, and the differences can be sorted out once we work past the crisis that still is real—the toxicity of the Republican traitors and the messes they have created.

Disagree with both; admire them both. 🎶Come on, let’s work together, now, now people...🎵

R B Garr

(17,385 posts)
9. Isn't Bernie working with a Republican on a
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:04 AM
Dec 2020

relief bill? All that criticism of Democrats and he’s working with a Republican himself.

gordianot

(15,529 posts)
43. Hawley from Missouri is one swarmy liar.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:43 PM
Dec 2020

He made major claims that he favored pre-existing conditions in health care while he was one of the earliest Attorney Generals seeking to overturn ACA. Do not trust anything he says.

Autumn

(46,508 posts)
11. What do they tip a congresswoman who graduated college with an international relations
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:17 AM
Dec 2020

AND economics major

Autumn

(46,508 posts)
17. Yet they make no mention of her major accomplishments achieved while
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:39 AM
Dec 2020

being a waitress. Just reminding her they are big tippers and still consider her a waitress.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Or they are recognizing her accomplishments and consider her a great voice.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:55 AM
Dec 2020

The odd thing about insults is that we can find them anywhere if we look hard enough... even in places where they do not exist.

femmedem

(8,449 posts)
97. If you read through the full string of tweets you will see his admiration for her.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:50 PM
Dec 2020

No, he didn't specifically list her accomplishments, but he repeatedly recognized her strength of character.

Autumn

(46,508 posts)
34. Where's the silver lining? Their policies brought us to where we are. They may want
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:10 PM
Dec 2020

to talk to who is in charge, that's Biden or Nancy.

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
78. She brings up her resume all by herself & often. What is your point? That he should pretend ...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:56 PM
Dec 2020

...not to take notice of her pride and defiance in that?

A lot of us people who’ve made something of ourselves academically, and sometimes even economically, have had humble beginnings. I canned pineapple in high school, cleaned houses in community college, sales clerked my way to a BA, supported my kids for a time as a secretary (now there’s a low-wage job). Fast forward... in midlife I paused to get a doctorate.

I’ll bring it up if it seems relevant to the discussion, like now. I am far from being ashamed; I’m kind of proud I kept plugging away. OTTH, IRL why bother? I’m not a politician. I’m retired now.

AOC is a politician — she’s young, ambitious, highly verbal, gorgeous (an asset not to be underestimated), and selling her life-story and humble beginnings as part of her political persona. We all notice that — she wants us to notice. Why be surprised if a group of skilled political ad-men also notice? They’re paying her a compliment. They’re offering her a chance to build a very important bridge for altruistic reasons. I hope she takes them up on it.

randr

(12,485 posts)
12. First is to agree on the nature of the problems
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:33 AM
Dec 2020

Second is to offer solutions
Third is to chose the solution best suited to ones philosophy.
With respect!

Martin Eden

(13,538 posts)
18. Discuss serious issues in terms of shared interests, facts, ideas, and solutions
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

What a novel concept for government in a representative democracy!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. "Huh? What"? Part XXVI
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:57 AM
Dec 2020

Odd thing about insults is we can find them anywhere if we look hard enough... even where they don't exist.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
39. Agreed. There comes a time when we have to stop seeing every open hand as one that
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:22 PM
Dec 2020

intends to slap us silly.

 

SophieJean

(83 posts)
53. Maybe you should wait
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:09 PM
Dec 2020

and see if AOC agrees. The waitress comment was definitely condescending and unnecessary.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
38. Well yes, and no.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:21 PM
Dec 2020

It is condescending, but in a system that doesn't pay workers (meaning people who work, are expected to actually produce do things) a fair wage he acknowledges that the slack has to be made up somewhere. I'd rather have rich people that still have a sense of noblesse oblige than the majority of what the GOP now contains.

You know things are bad when Mit Romney looks positively enlightened when contrasted to his GOP peers.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
56. He is actually giving honor to her roots and understand where she is coming from
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:17 PM
Dec 2020

However, some people take everything as a criticism of their goddess.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
102. More: When ideology and radical personality require implacable hostility,
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:20 PM
Dec 2020

as we can see with those in which it does, sincere public offerings of alliance create PR problems that have to be dealt with. The prompt LW conspiracist spin already brought here is that it was really an intolerable insult and attack that was never sincere. Her only course is to angrily refuse their request to unite to stop fascism from taking over our nation.

We'll see how she actually deals with it. Probably somewhat more smoothly.

Question for those who are capable of thinking instead of attacking: Why on earth would TLP attack Ocasio when they're fighting to save America from a RW religious authoritarian takeover and trying to create a united majority that'll smash the fascists? The answer is they wouldn't.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
104. There is a massive danger there
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:17 PM
Dec 2020

Just as Trump inexorably became popular - bot because of any ideology or policies but simply because he was "sticking it to the libs" or "owning the libs"; if we follow the same path of "sticking it to the cons" or "owning the right" by being inflexible belligerents, our nation is lost.

We should unite -- it may not be possible on every issue but wherever we can make progress, we should take advantage of it. Otherwise we are no better than trumpanzees.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
106. Right. And otherwise, we could see Ocasio and Schmidt in prison,
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:35 PM
Dec 2020

or fled to safety in another nation. Trump and his fascist "lock her up"ers aren't kidding. They want to hurt anyone who crosses or opposed him. Some here can't imagine that they could become very afraid of their neighbors, and rightly so, or unemployed and unemployable because of their previous political orientation.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
117. AOC and TLP would make a great relationship
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:54 PM
Dec 2020

AOC's policies could be polished and presented by TLP in their seasoned and time-tested methods.

AOC needs to expand her base -- the mistake the squad is doing is always addressing their base and everyone else be damned. That is a recipe for failure.

TLP, Pelosi and Biden could help AOC expand her base by adding experienced and diplomatic nuance to make her a better politician.

On Edit - it is the same mistake that her mentor did -- between 2016 and 2020, he had the very same base of non-diverse elite academic types and college students hoping to get free tuition. The results were the same both times.

betsuni

(27,273 posts)
108. Her message is helping the working class, she wants people to know she has done
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:50 PM
Dec 2020

such jobs as working in restaurants, that she is working class too. Messaging -- what everyone is always talking about.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
170. Yes, I thought he was talking about it in the abstract the
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:55 PM
Dec 2020

way AOC does. She still talks about waitresses and her having been one - though I thought it was bartender. He was in no way implying she was still one.

Cassidy

(211 posts)
65. They claim to be big tippers, but they refuse to give workers, including waitresses, a living wage.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:40 PM
Dec 2020

The Republicans worked hard for decades to get us into this mess. Power always has been their one motivating factor. Don't trust them, ever.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,804 posts)
20. The Lincoln Project got a lot more believable for me.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:46 AM
Dec 2020

If this is a lie, a cynical ploy, I would be quite gobsmacked. They seem to be more than allies thrown together by chance, with no real bonds...just temporarily parallel interests.

I am heartened, but I also tend to see the best in overtures like this. I could be wrong.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
24. He has been fighting the fight but ...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:51 AM
Dec 2020

Now they come to us for help with their party? Yes, it is our Democracy but I trust that the Democrats in charge will get things in order (gonna take heaven and earth to do it), Obama/Biden did it and Biden/Harris will some how do it again. So why do we need Lincoln Project? Go and tell you protégé, "sarah the pun" palin to stfu ... find something on her to make her go away.

BannonsLiver

(18,131 posts)
50. Do you expect Democrats to hold absolute power in perpetuity?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:55 PM
Dec 2020

Because if the answer is yes, you’re right, we don’t need a sane, not completely sadist opposition. If the answer to that question is no, then we’d all be better off if the opposition was sane even if gasp — we don’t agree on anything.

By the way it was Rick Davis that found Palin, not Schmidt. A historical nugget that most people just get plain wrong here repeatedly. Read up.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
57. Some people still think if we ran socialist candidates
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:18 PM
Dec 2020

we'd win in a landslide in all parts of the country because that is what everyone wants.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
71. They all come from the same pot of stew.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:05 PM
Dec 2020

Please don't tell me to read up, else you might get my dander up. Why don't you get a hold of your thoughts a bit and instead of accusing me of going full on one party domination, which is not what at all my point, you might want to sit back and take a breath. All of a sudden these guys are our bosom buddies and people like me are the enemies? Go take a time out, please. Peace out.

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
91. "Democrats in charge" -- with a minority in The Senate and a razor thin majority in the House...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:28 PM
Dec 2020

...All of which could be wiped out in the midterm election.

I’d laugh if that assessment were not so tragic.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
95. Well, lets see first. Can Democrats do something really big despite
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:34 PM
Dec 2020

GOP? 2 years on and great people, great plans, great momentum with no time to waste attitude. FDR style changes that more and more Americans will like and a stable, honest and decent administration that Americans want more of not less of in the mid-terms. I think we will all work towards that end and succeed.

betsuni

(27,273 posts)
109. FDR had large majorities in congress and Republicans willing to work with him.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:00 PM
Dec 2020

Don't have the votes, can't make changes.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
27. Hey, who is dissing waitresses? My Mom as a youngster was a waitress.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:57 AM
Dec 2020

Do I need to punch someone in the nose?

Regarding tips. I always tip large, and you should too. And, that caused a Waffle House manager to discuss that with me on a Christmas Day. (My local Waffle House was always open on Christmas Day, and I would take my family there to express our appreciation to the staff for their being open to serve the travelers that day.) He said that my $100 tip would likely be reduced by a credit card reviewer and changed to a $10 tip. Because a tip that large is too great a percentage of my bill. It looks like someone at the restaurant altered a $10 tip to make it $100. That could be a mistake or not. So, to give a large tip, consider splitting it between the credit card (20% of bill) and the tip jar (remainder to make up the large tip).

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
89. Certainly not Steve Schmidt. He's acknowledging a part of her resume she herself has highlighted
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:25 PM
Dec 2020

It is part of the personal political persona she has crafted. Anyone who finds this offensive is looking for offense.

usaf-vet

(6,979 posts)
36. Please, please, please come to the table for the benefit of our nation and our CONSTITUTION!
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:18 PM
Dec 2020

All sides with all options on the table. Negotiate in good faith. PLEASE!

Nasruddin

(855 posts)
37. Prisoner's dilemma
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:19 PM
Dec 2020

Worth reading the whole thread from Steve Schmidt.

They've been playing the prisoner's game a bit with each other (tit-for-tat swatting).
This from Schmidt is the classic way to break up the game - an invitation to cooperate.
Usually the best strategy is to reciprocate - until something bad happens (ie trust but verify, you might say).

Nasruddin

(855 posts)
85. No assumption necessary
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:06 PM
Dec 2020

It's the strategy recommendation that comes from it. Anyone may apply it.

(In this case, tho, I expect both parties are well acquainted with it anyway)

ananda

(30,879 posts)
162. Question for Schmidt then...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 09:25 AM
Dec 2020

Are you 100% behind a Green New Deal?

If not, there won't be another few years for anything.

LudwigPastorius

(10,956 posts)
41. 'Some of my best friends are waitresses.'
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:33 PM
Dec 2020

'...and, I'm one of the good elites. The kind that actually let our wealth trickle down by tipping.'

Sheesh

If I had Schmidt alone in a room, the first thing I'd ask him would be, "So, did you advise Cheney to stop torturing Gitmo prisoners, or did you just tell him to stop talking about it out loud?".

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
42. Steve and the guys are probably kinda' tone deaf to their own condescension.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:43 PM
Dec 2020

It reveals their own level of self-awareness. A level to be expected from anyone who is or was ever a Republican. Asked if they'd consider a return to George Bush*'s era a good result of their Lincoln Project's efforts, they'd probably say "yes or even, perfect".
They're really doing the best they can. But a seat at the table? No. That's how apple barrels go off.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,381 posts)
44. I think it was said with good intentions. The backlash against him is not helping
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:44 PM
Dec 2020

He brought up how he admires waitresses because of how she has been smeared for that job by fellow Republicans. NOT to dis her.

And I also think AOC is a very smart woman. If it is all a ploy, she will see right through it. I wouldn't worry about her.

bucolic_frolic

(47,310 posts)
45. It's an intergenerational conflict
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:46 PM
Dec 2020

The impulsiveness and brash aspects of youth vs. the wise and tempered political philosopher.

But AOC, gain some awareness and have a dialogue. Steve Schmidt is one of the greatest political minds of this generation.

BannonsLiver

(18,131 posts)
47. LOL
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Dec 2020

We have a few posters who are obsessed with hating TLP and were adamant they would begin attacking Biden the day after the election. Fun to watch that knee jerk and completely irrational, uninformed narrative slowly fall apart.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
82. I am no fan of TLP, but I haven't seen anyone saying they would start attacking Biden..
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

..right after the election was over.

What I have been saying (and seeing others say) is that they are trying to remove the stink of Trump from their Republican Party even though TLP and others like them are responsible for the long slide into neo-fascism that brought them Trump. This is just another craven attempt to clean up their image.

I say we should make them own the fact that they paved the way for a fascist takeover of their party. Never let them live it down. Make sure as many people as possible know who is responsible for our nearly falling into a fascist state.

If I were @AOC I wouldn’t even think they deserve the privilege of a response.

betsuni

(27,273 posts)
112. The rule is to always ascribe diabolical motives to anything Democrats do, and now anything
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:09 PM
Dec 2020

people the TLP do.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,891 posts)
48. "Coalition" means you don't have to like someone to be able to work with them on
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:53 PM
Dec 2020

areas of common interest.

Character flaws & elitist attitude in Mr. Schmidt duly noted. However in the real world, in a democracy, coalition building is the only way real change happens. Which means overlooking flaws and disagreements needs to happen.... a lot.

scipan

(2,639 posts)
77. Yes. We need to concentrate on what's important.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:53 PM
Dec 2020

I would like to see more transparent elections, i.e., paper ballots counted by machine but fairly easy to get a hand recount, and mandatory spot checks. More checks against voter suppression tactics. Extend the franchise to felons who have served their time.

Shore up government institutions to make it harder for a president to"capture" them. Strengthen the subpoena power of the House.

And a lot of other basic things.

bucolic_frolic

(47,310 posts)
52. His public appeal sort of says she's not taking his phone calls
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:03 PM
Dec 2020

He sees raw talent or he wouldn't make the offer. She'd be foolish not to accept, at least to give it a hearing.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,013 posts)
55. This is not condescending. It is a very positive initiative Schmidt is making
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:14 PM
Dec 2020

First off, anyone who expects an old white guy (like me) who has spent virtually his entire life in the Republican Party (not like me) to act and speak "woke" is quite simply being foolish. When someone comes from a place unlike our own they will not effortlessly share our political culture.

Schmidt's words have to be read in the context of what he is doing. He is reaching out to AOC because he recognizes that she is a leader who represents the views of a large swath of the American people. That is in and of itself a major acknowledgement of AOC, and to an extent intrinsically grants her greater respect than she gets from some centrist segments of her own Democratic Party.

When he praises a former waitress for being a former waitress, I can see how that can come off a bit clumsy to some, but it doesn't to me. A lot of us throw around catch phrases like "the dignity of work", but the rubber really hits the road at the literal workplace when it comes to class relations in America. One of the many ways that people can be divided into two categories is this one, those who carefully calculate exactly what a 10% or 15% tip amounts to for services received, and those who automatically well exceed that when leaving a tip. Some people who always try to give exactly 15% do so because money is tight for them too, though they still want to give their fair share, however many literally begrudge being asked to chip in more than is socially expected of them, and that includes a lot of rich people. Some who give larger tips may do so to show off how well off they are, but most do so because they understand that the extra income that big tips bring in makes a real difference in the life of someone who works long hard shifts in a restaurant. Until shown evidence to the contrary, I will accept that Steve Schmidt falls within that latter group.

To my mind Schmidt is acknowledging something of major importance that too few in politics are willing to call attention to. Our Congress is chock full of very wealthy individuals, and the vast majority of the rest had solid middle, if not upper middle, class jobs before they got elected.We NEED more former waitresses in Congress, just like we need more former mail sorters, and former child care workers representing us there. No, I do not think Schmidt was being condescending, I think he was recognizing the worth of the work AOC performed formerly, and thus acknowledged how it critically helped inform her vision of America, a vision that he is agreeing must be at the table when decisions effecting millions are made.

Again, Steve Schmidt is reaching out to AOC, who is barely past 30 in years and only recently arrived in Congress, as an important political leader in America. That is nothing if it is not respectful. But more important than how Schmidt relates to AOC now is his reason for reaching out to her. To my mind it is extremely telling that Schmidt openly signals that he is willing to listen to and learn from the likes of AOC inside a broad political coalition while he simultaneously rejects working with the rightest elements drawn to the Republican Party. Schmidt wants to work in good faith with the Left, to save America and our democracy from the Right. That, I believe, is highly significant, and I, as one person on the left, welcome his stance and applaud it.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,013 posts)
64. Not the best choice of words there granted
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:39 PM
Dec 2020

but honestly, it's no biggie. At first blush a lot of solid folks don't easily get that one can simultaneously admire and fundamentally disagree with someone. People tend to understand respecting others with whom you disagree, but actually admiring them while disagreeing is less intuitive. There were better ways to say what he probably meant though.

That phrase was a definite misstep, but it does not define the tone of his full outreach to her

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
68. Important to remember he's not just musing to himself
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:50 PM
Dec 2020

And that he tagged her there. That means he is directly saying to her "I wonder if you are wise enough''


That shit is insulting and there's no two ways about it. Plus isn't this guy supposed to be some kind of wordsmith? That's what we're always hearing about him. Hard to believe his words aren't deliberate. It comes off as a taunt.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,013 posts)
73. The tagging meant that he was directly saying ALL of what he wrote there to her
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:30 PM
Dec 2020

The sentence that included the term "wisdom" was a tiny fraction of what he wrote, and not the subject of his tweets. It would not surprise me at all if he is intentionally fishing for a reply from her. That phrase might be an "old school" attempt to trigger a response from AOC, if so not necessary in my opinion. But again, I am reading the entire thread of tweets from Schmidt as a whole, and taken as a whole, no I do not find them to be at root disrespectful. I guess we just differ on that.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
86. 'And if she gives me the response that I deserve..
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:07 PM
Dec 2020

..(which is no response) then she must be unwise.’

treestar

(82,383 posts)
171. When you are over 50 it is easy to wonder
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:57 PM
Dec 2020

if a 30 year old has a lot of wisdom yet. We remember being 30.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
173. Schmidt was around 40 when...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:13 PM
Dec 2020

..he made what the NY Times called " one of the most calamitous political judgments in modern presidential politics.''

---

It was Mr. Schmidt who first championed Sarah Palin as Mr. McCain’s running mate, a bold move, he told Mr. McCain, that could win him the White House. Instead, her selection was widely viewed as one of the most calamitous political judgments in modern presidential politics. By the time Mr. McCain conceded, Mr. Schmidt himself feared that his role in that campaign would leave an indelible scar on his reputation.


https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/fashion/steve-schmidt-a-career-resurrected-after-mccain-and-palin.html

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
88. All of what you said so well, Tom, especially, "he recognizes that she is a leader" ...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:20 PM
Dec 2020

As you say, he’s making a major acknowledgement.

I hope she takes him up on it.

dlk

(12,454 posts)
63. Hillary said it best, we are stronger together
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:35 PM
Dec 2020

It will take all of us, as Schmidt has said, years to fight this cancer of autocracy that has metastasized in our country. This is the great thing about Democrats, we are a big tent!

questionseverything

(10,242 posts)
154. He isn't a democrat and doesn't want to become one, does he?
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:51 AM
Dec 2020

He should want to be since he is part of the 99, even if he danced a little closer to the owners than most of us.

If he has areas he thinks we can compromise on he should offer that 💡

Punishing trump and his enablers is definitely a place I hope steve and aoc could work together

😎

dlk

(12,454 posts)
166. Schmidt and his cronies would like to start up a new political party
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 12:22 PM
Dec 2020

One that more closely resembles their fantasies about Republicans. Given it has always remained the party of Joe McCarthy, albeit with a facelift, I can’t say I wish him well in that regard. However, our country is at a very precarious moment in time and it will require everyone we can find to help save our republic before it descends into fascism. I welcome Schmidt’s efforts, as well as those of his cronies, in that regard. Stronger together...

robbob

(3,642 posts)
79. America needs an honest dialogue about what changes "the left" would like to see
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

And it may be ready to listen to such a conversation. The right wing “socialist” scare mongering has gone on too long unchallenged and it’s discouraging and ridiculous how any politician trying to bring positive change gets tarred by this brush.

The fact of the matter is, many changes advocated by the left (universal health care, higher minimum wage, affordable college education) are things that a majority of Americans agree with. Faux News and the GOP have gotten away with framing the debate for far to long.

Staph

(6,353 posts)
81. I hope AOC takes him up on it.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

She is a strong part of the future of the Democratic Party, but she doesn't yet know how to communicate to Democrats outside her insular, strongly blue part of the country.

Much of what she says about socialism plays right into Republican hands. If the Lincoln Project can teach her how to temper her message without losing her passion, they will have done a great service to our party and to the country.


OnDoutside

(20,671 posts)
87. I do too. Even from her own point of view, she would lose nothing by talking, and if anything, would
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:16 PM
Dec 2020

have a lot to gain from the overwhelming majority of Democratic voters. Of course, the far left would see this as the ultimate betrayal, but that's Little League politics.

She is without doubt a very talented and intelligent person, but if this election has shown anything it's that the center looks like it is going to withstand the onslaught, and that's where successful politicians need to be.

Response to FelineOverlord (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
103. Yet another excuse to refuse to unite against the hierarchical authoritarian
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:32 PM
Dec 2020

threat that REALLY threatens the dignity and wellbeing you've enjoyed all your life.

If you perchance imagine yourself or someone you know downtrodden now, you haven't seen anything yet. Authoritarians impose class and wealth-based societies in which inferior citizens are glad to have the jobs exploited immigrants have been performing here. And if they're not, they know to keep quiet or else.

How fast do you think you could become at deshelling crabs, in season of course? Fast enough to compete with all the others who wanted to take that job from you?

DoBotherMe

(2,350 posts)
107. I'm just asking Schmidt to talk to AOC
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:44 PM
Dec 2020

to understand her point of view. If he really wants her to work with him, he needs to understand her motivations and appeal to her core principles. Your scenario already plays out, have you seen the lines at the food banks?

Hekate

(95,049 posts)
110. He is talking to her,the way she talks to us--via Twitter. Need I say this is also quite transparent?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

The ball is now in her court.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
113. She is an elected representive
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:13 PM
Dec 2020

He is a media guy and a Republican one at that. He doesn't have standing to "put the ball in her court"


George II

(67,782 posts)
121. He has to be "something"? Come to think of it, for now he's the same as Bernie Sanders - independent
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:20 PM
Dec 2020
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
126. I don't need to ask him
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:32 PM
Dec 2020

I already know the answer. He's a right wing Republican, has no intention of ever being anything else, and has no business "reaching out" to a Democratic congresswoman to "negotiate" or whatever it is he's pretending to do.

George II

(67,782 posts)
129. Don't know, don't care. I know what he and the rest of the Lincoln Project did to help Biden win...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:58 PM
Dec 2020

That's good enough for me.

Getting back, why did you ask?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
130. You don't care?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:06 PM
Dec 2020

Okay.


I asked because I was interested in what your answer would be. Same reason anyone asks anything.

George II

(67,782 posts)
131. Generally people don't ask simply because they're interested in what someone else's answer is...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:14 PM
Dec 2020

....they ask to know what the true answer is, not the "same reason anyone asks anything". At least not in my extensive experience.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
146. Backtracking on a question?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:08 PM
Dec 2020

Not sure how that would work.


Regardless, the important thing is we agree Steve Schmidt is still a Republican. Have a lovely evening.

George II

(67,782 posts)
147. Sorry, we don't agree that Steve Schmidt is a republican. He's not....
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:15 PM
Dec 2020

He hasn't been a republican for more than two years. Why do you keep saying he is?

I've already had a lovely evening, thank you.

George II

(67,782 posts)
168. To answer a question that I didn't have a chance to answer, just because....
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:41 PM
Dec 2020

Question: "How many ex wives do you have?"

Answer: ZERO! NADA! NONE! Still with the only woman I ever married.

Response to George II (Reply #131)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
111. God, you have no idea or appreciation of all you have to lose.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

Free people unafraid of authorities in their own cars in temporary lines for food are NOT what you should fear if you knew enough to. Good grief. You must have seen people on TV fighting the government in their nations and disappearing and dying -- to get or keep the power of the vote that's your birthright, and what? You wondered why they'd bother? Or indulged a fancy that we don't have the power of the vote either and democracy's dead?

Hungary's parliament (Republicans in congress) recently gave elected President Orban (Trump) the power to rule by decree -- dictator. They also made a it crime punishable by imprisonment to say something bad about him. The language says something that's false, but that's up to the authorities to interpret.

Authorities with the same mindset of the fascist FL governor who sent thugs to raid the home of a whistleblower and take all her electronics to hack them and get the names of others they want to go after, but who, unlike Orban, doesn't have the power to railroad them into prison. Yet.

The Republican Party is now evaluated as far-right authoritarian as Orban's, just not in control. Yet.

DoBotherMe

(2,350 posts)
118. I have no idea why you are attacking me
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:19 PM
Dec 2020

I'm sorry if I believe something that you think will send us all to the gas chambers. I' m just asking Schmidt to talk with AOC if he thinks he needs to collaborate with her. I'm sorry I have upset you, sincerely. I will delete my post.

andym

(5,708 posts)
140. American conservatism is changing
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:57 PM
Dec 2020

Believers in small government and maximum individual freedom are not all loving the nationalist, above-the-law, personality-driven MAGA party. But the Trumpers may soon be a majority. Hungary should be a warning.

moonscape

(5,389 posts)
152. This. My deceased father would be horrified
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 12:35 AM
Dec 2020

to see Hungary’s return to dark days after living to see the promise of his native Hungary that he and my mother escaped,

He would be even more horrified to see what is happening to the country they fled to and started a new life for them and their kids.

I don’t for a moment understand what is complicated about embracing someone whose views might differ, but who is solidly on the side of democracy and wants to fight fascism with every breath they take. Or why that big ticket item isn’t enough for common ground. It’s going to take everything - and everyone - we’ve got to fight this.

andym

(5,708 posts)
141. Steve and the small government conservative type may soon be in the minority in the GOP
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 11:01 PM
Dec 2020

Trump has brought the GOP to the brink of becoming a nationalist, neo-fascist party.

Maru Kitteh

(29,192 posts)
156. I hope she is serious and mature enough to see the value
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:03 AM
Dec 2020

she is presented with. We, as a nation, badly need her to be.


lapucelle

(19,543 posts)
159. In referencing a part of her story (waitressing) that A0C herself highlights,
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:50 AM
Dec 2020

Schmidt was showing that he pays attention to what she's saying.

In her answers to questions in a PBS Frontline interview, A0C herself acknowledged that even a degree in International Studies does not provide all the answers to complex questions, that at times phrasing might be inartful or slightly off, and that the best next step is for opposing sides to listen and learn from each other and then to work together to to try to hammer out solutions.

From the Frontline transcript:

Yeah. I mean, I think I’d also just — I am not the expert [Laughing] at geopolitics on this issue. You know, for me, I’m a firm believer in finding a two-state solution in this issue, and I’m happy to sit down with leaders on both of this — on both of these — for me, I just look at things through a human-rights lens.

And I may not use the right words.[ Laughs ] I know this is a very intense issue.

snip===============================================================================================

(Continuing directly in a follow up question)

I come from a Puerto Rican background. And Middle Eastern politics is not exactly what was at my kitchen table every night.

But I also recognize that this is an intensely important issue for people in my district, for Americans across the country.

And I think what’s at least important to communicate is that I’m willing to listen and that I’m willing to learn and evolve on this issue, like I think many Americans are.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/firing-line/video/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

It's a good thing when folks realize that it's not about "me", but rather about "us" and that we are stronger together.

My Pet Orangutan

(10,620 posts)
161. I (greatly) admire the Lincoln Project
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 09:08 AM
Dec 2020

but "We are all the types of guys who always tip at 50% or more" is cringeworthy.

sigpooie

(106 posts)
163. Know you enemy, aoc can do more with what the Lincoln group can offer.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 10:11 AM
Dec 2020

We are not and never have been the only party. Compromise will get more done than separation. To beat the other group that is hiding in the Republican party is the only way to stop this madness. After that we still have to work with the remaining groups to get things done, which is why we are here now. In the future any bill being delayed should be known as mcconnelled.

Polybius

(18,108 posts)
167. He's calling her a waitress?
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 01:14 PM
Dec 2020

First off, she was a bartender before Congress. Second, the word waitress is a sexist word, no one says it anymore, they say servers. He's so bigoted he doesn't even know it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
176. She has referred to herself as a waitress frequently on Twitter, and lately she's been downplaying..
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:19 PM
Dec 2020

....the bartending side of her previous career.

In fact, in following her for more than a year on Twitter I've never seen her refer to what she used to do as being a "server".

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