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(22,507 posts)True Dough
(20,603 posts)I particularly like this one:
"Your conviction. You are a living example of democracy and the importance of faith and belief in the system. We are one election away from losing this country to Autocrats. We stand with you against that. We hope you will stand with us also."
Hekate
(95,049 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hekate
(95,049 posts)We must go this alone, shining in our ideological and moral purity, until gloriously martyred upon the ramparts having achieved nothing.
You nailed it. "Having achieved nothing"
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,187 posts)Or does that just apply to AOC's use of Twitter?
George II
(67,782 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,187 posts)You're smart.
George II
(67,782 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Wounded Bear
(60,762 posts)Chili
(1,725 posts)I know there are people who don't trust Schmidt, but the thing I'll always remember is him basically telling Sarah Palin to fuck off on election night when she wanted McCain not to concede.
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MerryBlooms
(11,902 posts)Raven123
(6,112 posts)ancianita
(38,771 posts)He probably will communicate with her directly, but wants the public to know about the outreach first.
KPN
(16,151 posts)I suppose there is some value in demonstrating collegiality publicly. If nothing else, it sets an example.
Escurumbele
(3,633 posts)and let her know that he would.
Yes, we all must unite. I have heard many at DU say they don't trust "Lincoln Project" that once the elections were done they would become what they have always been, republicans. And I have to agree with that statement to some extent, but the reality is that at this time, whether we differ in our politics, there is one clear goal that unite us, and that is to preserve Democracy, and to get rid of those who intend to destroy it.
I particularly find AOC a big asset to the Democratic party, but I also understand that she is young and she needs to pick her fights in a more political stance, one where she expresses her thoughts as she did when she responded to the abuse of those two republicans when they insulted her, that was poetic, and to know when to criticize her own and not do it in public but instead find the moment to talk to them directly and in private. I have a feeling that Biden or Harris would welcome a visit from her.
But...also at DU, we should not bash one of our own as I have seen people in DU bash AOC. even yesterday, and I cannot recall what the topic was on one post, but it definitely did not have anything to do with AOC, but that did not stop someone to take the opportunity to take a shot at her. That also needs to stop, she is one of us, and she is damn good.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Hekate
(95,049 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm sure his people have been approaching hers all along. That's what people who intend to defeat what the Republicans have become do -- form unbeatable alliances.
spooky3
(36,323 posts)The directions of changes he would like to see made in our country. But the similarities are stronger than the differences, IMHO, and the differences can be sorted out once we work past the crisis that still is realthe toxicity of the Republican traitors and the messes they have created.
Disagree with both; admire them both. 🎶Come on, lets work together, now, now people...🎵
LearnedHand
(4,208 posts)Totally agree.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)Whatthe_Firetruck
(605 posts)R B Garr
(17,385 posts)relief bill? All that criticism of Democrats and hes working with a Republican himself.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)PunkinPi
(5,008 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)gordianot
(15,529 posts)He made major claims that he favored pre-existing conditions in health care while he was one of the earliest Attorney Generals seeking to overturn ACA. Do not trust anything he says.
Autumn
(46,508 posts)AND economics major
ToxMarz
(2,252 posts)StarryNite
(10,871 posts)Autumn
(46,508 posts)being a waitress. Just reminding her they are big tippers and still consider her a waitress.
Luckily she is far to smart to fall for bullshit like this.
Autumn
(46,508 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The odd thing about insults is that we can find them anywhere if we look hard enough... even in places where they do not exist.
Autumn
(46,508 posts)femmedem
(8,449 posts)No, he didn't specifically list her accomplishments, but he repeatedly recognized her strength of character.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Autumn
(46,508 posts)to talk to who is in charge, that's Biden or Nancy.
questionseverything
(10,242 posts)Hekate
(95,049 posts)...not to take notice of her pride and defiance in that?
A lot of us people whove made something of ourselves academically, and sometimes even economically, have had humble beginnings. I canned pineapple in high school, cleaned houses in community college, sales clerked my way to a BA, supported my kids for a time as a secretary (now theres a low-wage job). Fast forward... in midlife I paused to get a doctorate.
Ill bring it up if it seems relevant to the discussion, like now. I am far from being ashamed; Im kind of proud I kept plugging away. OTTH, IRL why bother? Im not a politician. Im retired now.
AOC is a politician shes young, ambitious, highly verbal, gorgeous (an asset not to be underestimated), and selling her life-story and humble beginnings as part of her political persona. We all notice that she wants us to notice. Why be surprised if a group of skilled political ad-men also notice? Theyre paying her a compliment. Theyre offering her a chance to build a very important bridge for altruistic reasons. I hope she takes them up on it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)randr
(12,485 posts)Second is to offer solutions
Third is to chose the solution best suited to ones philosophy.
With respect!
Martin Eden
(13,538 posts)What a novel concept for government in a representative democracy!
melman
(7,681 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Odd thing about insults is we can find them anywhere if we look hard enough... even where they don't exist.
melman
(7,681 posts)Wait. I'm totally not!
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NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)intends to slap us silly.
SophieJean
(83 posts)and see if AOC agrees. The waitress comment was definitely condescending and unnecessary.
plimsoll
(1,690 posts)It is condescending, but in a system that doesn't pay workers (meaning people who work, are expected to actually produce do things) a fair wage he acknowledges that the slack has to be made up somewhere. I'd rather have rich people that still have a sense of noblesse oblige than the majority of what the GOP now contains.
You know things are bad when Mit Romney looks positively enlightened when contrasted to his GOP peers.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)However, some people take everything as a criticism of their goddess.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as we can see with those in which it does, sincere public offerings of alliance create PR problems that have to be dealt with. The prompt LW conspiracist spin already brought here is that it was really an intolerable insult and attack that was never sincere. Her only course is to angrily refuse their request to unite to stop fascism from taking over our nation.
We'll see how she actually deals with it. Probably somewhat more smoothly.
Question for those who are capable of thinking instead of attacking: Why on earth would TLP attack Ocasio when they're fighting to save America from a RW religious authoritarian takeover and trying to create a united majority that'll smash the fascists? The answer is they wouldn't.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Just as Trump inexorably became popular - bot because of any ideology or policies but simply because he was "sticking it to the libs" or "owning the libs"; if we follow the same path of "sticking it to the cons" or "owning the right" by being inflexible belligerents, our nation is lost.
We should unite -- it may not be possible on every issue but wherever we can make progress, we should take advantage of it. Otherwise we are no better than trumpanzees.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or fled to safety in another nation. Trump and his fascist "lock her up"ers aren't kidding. They want to hurt anyone who crosses or opposed him. Some here can't imagine that they could become very afraid of their neighbors, and rightly so, or unemployed and unemployable because of their previous political orientation.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)AOC's policies could be polished and presented by TLP in their seasoned and time-tested methods.
AOC needs to expand her base -- the mistake the squad is doing is always addressing their base and everyone else be damned. That is a recipe for failure.
TLP, Pelosi and Biden could help AOC expand her base by adding experienced and diplomatic nuance to make her a better politician.
On Edit - it is the same mistake that her mentor did -- between 2016 and 2020, he had the very same base of non-diverse elite academic types and college students hoping to get free tuition. The results were the same both times.
betsuni
(27,273 posts)such jobs as working in restaurants, that she is working class too. Messaging -- what everyone is always talking about.
treestar
(82,383 posts)way AOC does. She still talks about waitresses and her having been one - though I thought it was bartender. He was in no way implying she was still one.
Cassidy
(211 posts)The Republicans worked hard for decades to get us into this mess. Power always has been their one motivating factor. Don't trust them, ever.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,804 posts)If this is a lie, a cynical ploy, I would be quite gobsmacked. They seem to be more than allies thrown together by chance, with no real bonds...just temporarily parallel interests.
I am heartened, but I also tend to see the best in overtures like this. I could be wrong.
Mc Mike
(9,173 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Now they come to us for help with their party? Yes, it is our Democracy but I trust that the Democrats in charge will get things in order (gonna take heaven and earth to do it), Obama/Biden did it and Biden/Harris will some how do it again. So why do we need Lincoln Project? Go and tell you protégé, "sarah the pun" palin to stfu ... find something on her to make her go away.
BannonsLiver
(18,131 posts)Because if the answer is yes, youre right, we dont need a sane, not completely sadist opposition. If the answer to that question is no, then wed all be better off if the opposition was sane even if gasp we dont agree on anything.
By the way it was Rick Davis that found Palin, not Schmidt. A historical nugget that most people just get plain wrong here repeatedly. Read up.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)we'd win in a landslide in all parts of the country because that is what everyone wants.
JudyM
(29,536 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)JudyM
(29,536 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Please don't tell me to read up, else you might get my dander up. Why don't you get a hold of your thoughts a bit and instead of accusing me of going full on one party domination, which is not what at all my point, you might want to sit back and take a breath. All of a sudden these guys are our bosom buddies and people like me are the enemies? Go take a time out, please. Peace out.
Hekate
(95,049 posts)...All of which could be wiped out in the midterm election.
Id laugh if that assessment were not so tragic.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)GOP? 2 years on and great people, great plans, great momentum with no time to waste attitude. FDR style changes that more and more Americans will like and a stable, honest and decent administration that Americans want more of not less of in the mid-terms. I think we will all work towards that end and succeed.
betsuni
(27,273 posts)Don't have the votes, can't make changes.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,018 posts)Why people are desperate to believe it is beyond me.
NCjack
(10,297 posts)Do I need to punch someone in the nose?
Regarding tips. I always tip large, and you should too. And, that caused a Waffle House manager to discuss that with me on a Christmas Day. (My local Waffle House was always open on Christmas Day, and I would take my family there to express our appreciation to the staff for their being open to serve the travelers that day.) He said that my $100 tip would likely be reduced by a credit card reviewer and changed to a $10 tip. Because a tip that large is too great a percentage of my bill. It looks like someone at the restaurant altered a $10 tip to make it $100. That could be a mistake or not. So, to give a large tip, consider splitting it between the credit card (20% of bill) and the tip jar (remainder to make up the large tip).
Hekate
(95,049 posts)It is part of the personal political persona she has crafted. Anyone who finds this offensive is looking for offense.
marie999
(3,334 posts)usaf-vet
(6,979 posts)All sides with all options on the table. Negotiate in good faith. PLEASE!
Nasruddin
(855 posts)Worth reading the whole thread from Steve Schmidt.
They've been playing the prisoner's game a bit with each other (tit-for-tat swatting).
This from Schmidt is the classic way to break up the game - an invitation to cooperate.
Usually the best strategy is to reciprocate - until something bad happens (ie trust but verify, you might say).
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Nasruddin
(855 posts)It's the strategy recommendation that comes from it. Anyone may apply it.
(In this case, tho, I expect both parties are well acquainted with it anyway)
ananda
(30,879 posts)Are you 100% behind a Green New Deal?
If not, there won't be another few years for anything.
LudwigPastorius
(10,956 posts)'...and, I'm one of the good elites. The kind that actually let our wealth trickle down by tipping.'
Sheesh
If I had Schmidt alone in a room, the first thing I'd ask him would be, "So, did you advise Cheney to stop torturing Gitmo prisoners, or did you just tell him to stop talking about it out loud?".
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)It reveals their own level of self-awareness. A level to be expected from anyone who is or was ever a Republican. Asked if they'd consider a return to George Bush*'s era a good result of their Lincoln Project's efforts, they'd probably say "yes or even, perfect".
They're really doing the best they can. But a seat at the table? No. That's how apple barrels go off.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,381 posts)He brought up how he admires waitresses because of how she has been smeared for that job by fellow Republicans. NOT to dis her.
And I also think AOC is a very smart woman. If it is all a ploy, she will see right through it. I wouldn't worry about her.
bucolic_frolic
(47,310 posts)The impulsiveness and brash aspects of youth vs. the wise and tempered political philosopher.
But AOC, gain some awareness and have a dialogue. Steve Schmidt is one of the greatest political minds of this generation.
JoeOtterbein
(7,792 posts)...Sara stopped taking his calls!
BannonsLiver
(18,131 posts)We have a few posters who are obsessed with hating TLP and were adamant they would begin attacking Biden the day after the election. Fun to watch that knee jerk and completely irrational, uninformed narrative slowly fall apart.
melman
(7,681 posts)I've always recognized their game is far more insidious.
mzmolly
(51,697 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)..right after the election was over.
What I have been saying (and seeing others say) is that they are trying to remove the stink of Trump from their Republican Party even though TLP and others like them are responsible for the long slide into neo-fascism that brought them Trump. This is just another craven attempt to clean up their image.
I say we should make them own the fact that they paved the way for a fascist takeover of their party. Never let them live it down. Make sure as many people as possible know who is responsible for our nearly falling into a fascist state.
If I were @AOC I wouldnt even think they deserve the privilege of a response.
JI7
(90,743 posts)betsuni
(27,273 posts)people the TLP do.
R B Garr
(17,385 posts)that TLP got actual results without them.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,891 posts)areas of common interest.
Character flaws & elitist attitude in Mr. Schmidt duly noted. However in the real world, in a democracy, coalition building is the only way real change happens. Which means overlooking flaws and disagreements needs to happen.... a lot.
scipan
(2,639 posts)I would like to see more transparent elections, i.e., paper ballots counted by machine but fairly easy to get a hand recount, and mandatory spot checks. More checks against voter suppression tactics. Extend the franchise to felons who have served their time.
Shore up government institutions to make it harder for a president to"capture" them. Strengthen the subpoena power of the House.
And a lot of other basic things.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,891 posts)ariadne0614
(1,876 posts)WheelWalker
(9,202 posts)bucolic_frolic
(47,310 posts)He sees raw talent or he wouldn't make the offer. She'd be foolish not to accept, at least to give it a hearing.
Mr. Sparkle
(3,135 posts)I dont know if the world is ready for this
Tom Rinaldo
(23,013 posts)First off, anyone who expects an old white guy (like me) who has spent virtually his entire life in the Republican Party (not like me) to act and speak "woke" is quite simply being foolish. When someone comes from a place unlike our own they will not effortlessly share our political culture.
Schmidt's words have to be read in the context of what he is doing. He is reaching out to AOC because he recognizes that she is a leader who represents the views of a large swath of the American people. That is in and of itself a major acknowledgement of AOC, and to an extent intrinsically grants her greater respect than she gets from some centrist segments of her own Democratic Party.
When he praises a former waitress for being a former waitress, I can see how that can come off a bit clumsy to some, but it doesn't to me. A lot of us throw around catch phrases like "the dignity of work", but the rubber really hits the road at the literal workplace when it comes to class relations in America. One of the many ways that people can be divided into two categories is this one, those who carefully calculate exactly what a 10% or 15% tip amounts to for services received, and those who automatically well exceed that when leaving a tip. Some people who always try to give exactly 15% do so because money is tight for them too, though they still want to give their fair share, however many literally begrudge being asked to chip in more than is socially expected of them, and that includes a lot of rich people. Some who give larger tips may do so to show off how well off they are, but most do so because they understand that the extra income that big tips bring in makes a real difference in the life of someone who works long hard shifts in a restaurant. Until shown evidence to the contrary, I will accept that Steve Schmidt falls within that latter group.
To my mind Schmidt is acknowledging something of major importance that too few in politics are willing to call attention to. Our Congress is chock full of very wealthy individuals, and the vast majority of the rest had solid middle, if not upper middle, class jobs before they got elected.We NEED more former waitresses in Congress, just like we need more former mail sorters, and former child care workers representing us there. No, I do not think Schmidt was being condescending, I think he was recognizing the worth of the work AOC performed formerly, and thus acknowledged how it critically helped inform her vision of America, a vision that he is agreeing must be at the table when decisions effecting millions are made.
Again, Steve Schmidt is reaching out to AOC, who is barely past 30 in years and only recently arrived in Congress, as an important political leader in America. That is nothing if it is not respectful. But more important than how Schmidt relates to AOC now is his reason for reaching out to her. To my mind it is extremely telling that Schmidt openly signals that he is willing to listen to and learn from the likes of AOC inside a broad political coalition while he simultaneously rejects working with the rightest elements drawn to the Republican Party. Schmidt wants to work in good faith with the Left, to save America and our democracy from the Right. That, I believe, is highly significant, and I, as one person on the left, welcome his stance and applaud it.
MustLoveBeagles
(12,680 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(23,013 posts)but honestly, it's no biggie. At first blush a lot of solid folks don't easily get that one can simultaneously admire and fundamentally disagree with someone. People tend to understand respecting others with whom you disagree, but actually admiring them while disagreeing is less intuitive. There were better ways to say what he probably meant though.
That phrase was a definite misstep, but it does not define the tone of his full outreach to her
melman
(7,681 posts)And that he tagged her there. That means he is directly saying to her "I wonder if you are wise enough''
That shit is insulting and there's no two ways about it. Plus isn't this guy supposed to be some kind of wordsmith? That's what we're always hearing about him. Hard to believe his words aren't deliberate. It comes off as a taunt.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,013 posts)The sentence that included the term "wisdom" was a tiny fraction of what he wrote, and not the subject of his tweets. It would not surprise me at all if he is intentionally fishing for a reply from her. That phrase might be an "old school" attempt to trigger a response from AOC, if so not necessary in my opinion. But again, I am reading the entire thread of tweets from Schmidt as a whole, and taken as a whole, no I do not find them to be at root disrespectful. I guess we just differ on that.
melman
(7,681 posts)Not a part of the original thread that's in the OP.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)..(which is no response) then she must be unwise.
Big "heads I win, tails you lose" energy there. Aggressive.
treestar
(82,383 posts)if a 30 year old has a lot of wisdom yet. We remember being 30.
melman
(7,681 posts)..he made what the NY Times called " one of the most calamitous political judgments in modern presidential politics.''
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It was Mr. Schmidt who first championed Sarah Palin as Mr. McCains running mate, a bold move, he told Mr. McCain, that could win him the White House. Instead, her selection was widely viewed as one of the most calamitous political judgments in modern presidential politics. By the time Mr. McCain conceded, Mr. Schmidt himself feared that his role in that campaign would leave an indelible scar on his reputation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/fashion/steve-schmidt-a-career-resurrected-after-mccain-and-palin.html
treestar
(82,383 posts)even 40 does not mean wisdom.
Hekate
(95,049 posts)As you say, hes making a major acknowledgement.
I hope she takes him up on it.
ShazzieB
(18,850 posts)samnsara
(18,290 posts)dlk
(12,454 posts)It will take all of us, as Schmidt has said, years to fight this cancer of autocracy that has metastasized in our country. This is the great thing about Democrats, we are a big tent!
questionseverything
(10,242 posts)He should want to be since he is part of the 99, even if he danced a little closer to the owners than most of us.
If he has areas he thinks we can compromise on he should offer that 💡
Punishing trump and his enablers is definitely a place I hope steve and aoc could work together
😎
dlk
(12,454 posts)One that more closely resembles their fantasies about Republicans. Given it has always remained the party of Joe McCarthy, albeit with a facelift, I cant say I wish him well in that regard. However, our country is at a very precarious moment in time and it will require everyone we can find to help save our republic before it descends into fascism. I welcome Schmidts efforts, as well as those of his cronies, in that regard. Stronger together...
Hekate
(95,049 posts)Doremus
(7,265 posts)Condescension or no.
George II
(67,782 posts)robbob
(3,642 posts)And it may be ready to listen to such a conversation. The right wing socialist scare mongering has gone on too long unchallenged and its discouraging and ridiculous how any politician trying to bring positive change gets tarred by this brush.
The fact of the matter is, many changes advocated by the left (universal health care, higher minimum wage, affordable college education) are things that a majority of Americans agree with. Faux News and the GOP have gotten away with framing the debate for far to long.
Staph
(6,353 posts)She is a strong part of the future of the Democratic Party, but she doesn't yet know how to communicate to Democrats outside her insular, strongly blue part of the country.
Much of what she says about socialism plays right into Republican hands. If the Lincoln Project can teach her how to temper her message without losing her passion, they will have done a great service to our party and to the country.
OnDoutside
(20,671 posts)have a lot to gain from the overwhelming majority of Democratic voters. Of course, the far left would see this as the ultimate betrayal, but that's Little League politics.
She is without doubt a very talented and intelligent person, but if this election has shown anything it's that the center looks like it is going to withstand the onslaught, and that's where successful politicians need to be.
ShazzieB
(18,850 posts)R B Garr
(17,385 posts)Yes, perfect description. 👌
budkin
(6,849 posts)It seems quaint now.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)threat that REALLY threatens the dignity and wellbeing you've enjoyed all your life.
If you perchance imagine yourself or someone you know downtrodden now, you haven't seen anything yet. Authoritarians impose class and wealth-based societies in which inferior citizens are glad to have the jobs exploited immigrants have been performing here. And if they're not, they know to keep quiet or else.
How fast do you think you could become at deshelling crabs, in season of course? Fast enough to compete with all the others who wanted to take that job from you?
DoBotherMe
(2,350 posts)to understand her point of view. If he really wants her to work with him, he needs to understand her motivations and appeal to her core principles. Your scenario already plays out, have you seen the lines at the food banks?
Hekate
(95,049 posts)The ball is now in her court.
melman
(7,681 posts)He is a media guy and a Republican one at that. He doesn't have standing to "put the ball in her court"
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)I already know the answer. He's a right wing Republican, has no intention of ever being anything else, and has no business "reaching out" to a Democratic congresswoman to "negotiate" or whatever it is he's pretending to do.
George II
(67,782 posts)But since you did, he's not a republican.
melman
(7,681 posts)Please be specific.
George II
(67,782 posts)That's good enough for me.
Getting back, why did you ask?
melman
(7,681 posts)Okay.
I asked because I was interested in what your answer would be. Same reason anyone asks anything.
George II
(67,782 posts)....they ask to know what the true answer is, not the "same reason anyone asks anything". At least not in my extensive experience.
melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Post 126 is the one with the true answer.
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Not sure how that would work.
Regardless, the important thing is we agree Steve Schmidt is still a Republican. Have a lovely evening.
George II
(67,782 posts)He hasn't been a republican for more than two years. Why do you keep saying he is?
I've already had a lovely evening, thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)Question: "How many ex wives do you have?"
Answer: ZERO! NADA! NONE! Still with the only woman I ever married.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Any ideas?
that sounds like whataboutism
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that sounds like a double standard.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Free people unafraid of authorities in their own cars in temporary lines for food are NOT what you should fear if you knew enough to. Good grief. You must have seen people on TV fighting the government in their nations and disappearing and dying -- to get or keep the power of the vote that's your birthright, and what? You wondered why they'd bother? Or indulged a fancy that we don't have the power of the vote either and democracy's dead?
Hungary's parliament (Republicans in congress) recently gave elected President Orban (Trump) the power to rule by decree -- dictator. They also made a it crime punishable by imprisonment to say something bad about him. The language says something that's false, but that's up to the authorities to interpret.
Authorities with the same mindset of the fascist FL governor who sent thugs to raid the home of a whistleblower and take all her electronics to hack them and get the names of others they want to go after, but who, unlike Orban, doesn't have the power to railroad them into prison. Yet.
The Republican Party is now evaluated as far-right authoritarian as Orban's, just not in control. Yet.
DoBotherMe
(2,350 posts)I'm sorry if I believe something that you think will send us all to the gas chambers. I' m just asking Schmidt to talk with AOC if he thinks he needs to collaborate with her. I'm sorry I have upset you, sincerely. I will delete my post.
andym
(5,708 posts)Believers in small government and maximum individual freedom are not all loving the nationalist, above-the-law, personality-driven MAGA party. But the Trumpers may soon be a majority. Hungary should be a warning.
moonscape
(5,389 posts)to see Hungarys return to dark days after living to see the promise of his native Hungary that he and my mother escaped,
He would be even more horrified to see what is happening to the country they fled to and started a new life for them and their kids.
I dont for a moment understand what is complicated about embracing someone whose views might differ, but who is solidly on the side of democracy and wants to fight fascism with every breath they take. Or why that big ticket item isnt enough for common ground. Its going to take everything - and everyone - weve got to fight this.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)andym
(5,708 posts)Trump has brought the GOP to the brink of becoming a nationalist, neo-fascist party.
Maru Kitteh
(29,192 posts)she is presented with. We, as a nation, badly need her to be.
lapucelle
(19,543 posts)Schmidt was showing that he pays attention to what she's saying.
In her answers to questions in a PBS Frontline interview, A0C herself acknowledged that even a degree in International Studies does not provide all the answers to complex questions, that at times phrasing might be inartful or slightly off, and that the best next step is for opposing sides to listen and learn from each other and then to work together to to try to hammer out solutions.
From the Frontline transcript:
And I may not use the right words.[ Laughs ] I know this is a very intense issue.
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(Continuing directly in a follow up question)
But I also recognize that this is an intensely important issue for people in my district, for Americans across the country.
And I think whats at least important to communicate is that Im willing to listen and that Im willing to learn and evolve on this issue, like I think many Americans are.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/firing-line/video/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/
It's a good thing when folks realize that it's not about "me", but rather about "us" and that we are stronger together.
My Pet Orangutan
(10,620 posts)but "We are all the types of guys who always tip at 50% or more" is cringeworthy.
sigpooie
(106 posts)We are not and never have been the only party. Compromise will get more done than separation. To beat the other group that is hiding in the Republican party is the only way to stop this madness. After that we still have to work with the remaining groups to get things done, which is why we are here now. In the future any bill being delayed should be known as mcconnelled.
Polybius
(18,108 posts)First off, she was a bartender before Congress. Second, the word waitress is a sexist word, no one says it anymore, they say servers. He's so bigoted he doesn't even know it.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the bartending side of her previous career.
In fact, in following her for more than a year on Twitter I've never seen her refer to what she used to do as being a "server".