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Nevilledog

(52,101 posts)
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:54 PM Dec 2020

Garry Kasparov: Don't dare say "But the system worked"





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Garry Kasparov
@Kasparov63
Don't dare say "But the system worked" when a majority of Republicans in Congress support the overturning of a free and fair election. You don't celebrate a cancer not having killed you yet. You celebrate when you're cancer free.

The system isn't working when so many of its participants and supposed defenders are trying to destroy it. That's the crisis, and it's not going away because this time some judges threw out cases prepared by idiots.

As long as Republicans feel it's in their best interest to choose Trump and power at all costs, and see attacking the US electoral system as a way to do that, the cancer will continue to spread, eating away at American trust in govt and democracy.
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Garry Kasparov: Don't dare say "But the system worked" (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2020 OP
No truer words. dalton99a Dec 2020 #1
K and R octoberlib Dec 2020 #2
K&R spanone Dec 2020 #3
Except we will never be cancer free. We are humans, not machines. Baked Potato Dec 2020 #4
True but we can work to eradicate them soothsayer Dec 2020 #5
They've existed longer than the Republic, longer than democracy. rickyhall Dec 2020 #33
If he has a Gambit in mind, I'd like to hear it. Harker Dec 2020 #6
Always appreciate Grand Master Kasparov's opinions. But trump is just a figurehead to the power erronis Dec 2020 #7
At this point anyone registered as a republican Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #10
And let's not forget the libertarians, the chameleons who can switch colors at a whim, and erronis Dec 2020 #13
Libertarians are anarchists. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #14
"Some people just want to watch the world burn." Grokenstein Dec 2020 #21
They're Walking Contradictions GB_RN Dec 2020 #24
I'll never forget the time, about two decades ago, Susan Calvin Dec 2020 #31
Couldn't agree more DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #18
I hear you, DENVERPOPS Skittles Dec 2020 #29
I dare say, "the system worked." I would add, Republicans elected traitors and corrupt barbarians to Nitram Dec 2020 #8
I guess we could say that "the system survived"... Wounded Bear Dec 2020 #9
+33... Harker Dec 2020 #16
+1, this time they're out in the open about it and don't give a damn about getting with uponit7771 Dec 2020 #20
Think about this: world wide wally Dec 2020 #11
It proves irreparable brokenness of Republican morals & judgment. They are never to be trusted. ancianita Dec 2020 #15
The magnitude of voter suppression is getting lost in blanket defenses of the election. pat_k Dec 2020 #12
Agreed. 58Sunliner Dec 2020 #19
Spot on. cwydro Dec 2020 #17
Very true. Pepsidog Dec 2020 #22
Well said PatSeg Dec 2020 #23
They were check-mated this time sandensea Dec 2020 #25
He's right about the cancer Martin Eden Dec 2020 #26
We won a battle, but we certainly haven't won the war LeftInTX Dec 2020 #27
Rejoice. Just don't think the fight is over. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2020 #28
The System Worked - Perhaps, But Not Nearly as Well as It Was Supposed To. panfluteman Dec 2020 #30
+1 n/t Laelth Dec 2020 #32
A very apt description of what has happenedis happening. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #34
But it DID work; a hard right SCOTUS shut him DOWN & he'll be gone. oldsoftie Dec 2020 #35
this llashram Dec 2020 #36

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
4. Except we will never be cancer free. We are humans, not machines.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:03 PM
Dec 2020

Each time a there is a victory for Democracy, it must be celebrated. The body lives.

Harker

(14,408 posts)
6. If he has a Gambit in mind, I'd like to hear it.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:47 PM
Dec 2020

Surely he's not the only person born in the Soviet Union who cares more about America than does Trumpsky.

erronis

(15,977 posts)
7. Always appreciate Grand Master Kasparov's opinions. But trump is just a figurehead to the power
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:49 PM
Dec 2020

struggle. trump is so dumb he doesn't even know he is being used by multiple parties - US and foreign and corporate.

Some of the (r)epuglicons may be smart enough to understand their treachery and venality, but most are going along for the party.

Mr.Bill

(24,462 posts)
10. At this point anyone registered as a republican
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:57 PM
Dec 2020

is complicit slime. Being republican isn't like being a certain gender or race or nationality. A republican can quit any time they want to. I quit decades ago. Anyone who chooses to be part of it today has something very wrong with them. I would equate it to being a willing member of the KKK or the Nazi party.

erronis

(15,977 posts)
13. And let's not forget the libertarians, the chameleons who can switch colors at a whim, and
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:09 PM
Dec 2020

especially the lobbyists, the oligarchs/plutocrats who will use money to achieve their goals and could care less about democracy - actually care a lot about undemocratic governance.

Grokenstein

(5,759 posts)
21. "Some people just want to watch the world burn."
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:57 PM
Dec 2020

Libertarians: "Say, that sounds like an awesome political doctrine...type...thingie."

GB_RN

(2,634 posts)
24. They're Walking Contradictions
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:28 PM
Dec 2020

They take that “I’ve got mine, now fuck off.”-attitude of the GOPee to the far extreme but then oddly, tack on a “Gay? So what? Let ‘em be. Smoke weed? So what? Have at it.”
It’s like they hit the exact spot where the Right Wing and Left Wing come full circle. You’ll find the anti-vaxxers running around within that same crowd, too.

Susan Calvin

(1,766 posts)
31. I'll never forget the time, about two decades ago,
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 12:19 PM
Dec 2020

When I was listening to Ron Paul on some random radio talk show. I was new in town so I was still flipping around the dial. And he talked about legalizing drugs and criminalizing abortion in the same breath. That told me everything I needed to know.

DENVERPOPS

(9,273 posts)
18. Couldn't agree more
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:27 PM
Dec 2020

Since Cheney/Rumsfeld in 2000, I have been eliminating friends and aquaintences that guzzled the Kool Aid. Some of them lifetime friends of over 60 years. My FINAL purge started early on in the Trump years. (See, I can't even call it the Trump Presidency) I may have a few more to cull, but they are living on borrowed time so to speak. Those few remaining RepubliCONs will be history the next time we make contact.

The shit storm they have rained down on the American Population has been devestating. The most fascinating aspect of the TrumpHumpers is that they have absolutely NO comprehension that the Republican Party they worship and support is screwing the living shit out of them also, maybe even worse.

This last four years especially has been a never ending fucking nightmare that has been a cross between TWILIGHT ZONE and
ALICE IN WONDERLAND..... The RepubliCONS script has been nothing short of Orwell's ANIMAL FARM at the very least.....

I have the hardest time wondering about my kids, and their kids, and maybe even their kids. The damage that has been done to the United States, our democracy, the world, the economy, the quality of Health Care, and the entire planet Earth is infinitesimal and much of it will be permanent, and it will not be able to be reversed.

We no longer have any STATESMEN...........I think it was Lincoln that said:
"A statesman is interested in the next generation, the politician only in the next election"......

Skittles

(154,702 posts)
29. I hear you, DENVERPOPS
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:46 AM
Dec 2020

I am disturbed both by knowing 74 million Americans would be fine with authoritarian rule and by knowing others who don't like Trump but who cannot see how damaging this is to America.

Nitram

(23,653 posts)
8. I dare say, "the system worked." I would add, Republicans elected traitors and corrupt barbarians to
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:53 PM
Dec 2020

represent them.

Wounded Bear

(59,324 posts)
9. I guess we could say that "the system survived"...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:57 PM
Dec 2020

barely, and at least for now.

The Repub assault on democracy has suffered a setback, it is not eliminated, for sure.

Harker

(14,408 posts)
16. +33...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:17 PM
Dec 2020

Had five people thought and acted differently, we'd be swirling down to another level of chaos.

That's not so much the entire system working.

uponit7771

(90,555 posts)
20. +1, this time they're out in the open about it and don't give a damn about getting with
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:30 PM
Dec 2020

... a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political opponent, messing up the USPS to slow down mail in ballots or telling his voters openly to vote twice !!

I pray the Biden's AG puts this bastards in jail the lot of em, this needs to stop RIGHT OT DAMN NOW !!!

world wide wally

(21,764 posts)
11. Think about this:
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:04 PM
Dec 2020

The GOP has never fought for anyone else like this before and it just turns out that this guy will be remembered as the most corrupt President we ever had.
Hmmmm

ancianita

(37,082 posts)
15. It proves irreparable brokenness of Republican morals & judgment. They are never to be trusted.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:14 PM
Dec 2020

Their platform = Trump = cult.

2/3 of them have tried to overthrow democracy and establish a dictatorship for that one man.

They are not a party. They are a fascist mafia waiting for a new capo.

All of our political efforts require us to harden rule of law through specified enforcement that nips their cockblocking of processes early and often.
Our messaging efforts must be to show the daily proof of their treasonous machinations and their still prosecutable past crimes.
Make Americans fear ever living a repeat of 2020.

pat_k

(9,314 posts)
12. The magnitude of voter suppression is getting lost in blanket defenses of the election.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:06 PM
Dec 2020

Why aren't there more lawsuits like this one???

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/us/a-lawsuit-in-georgia-claims-that-nearly-200000-registered-voters-were-improperly-purged.html

Voter advocacy groups in Georgia filed a lawsuit on Wednesday asking a federal court to compel the state to restore nearly 200,000 names to its voter registration list ahead of the January runoff races for the state’s two Senate seats that will determine the balance of power in Washington.

In the suit, filed in the northern district of Georgia, three voter advocacy groups said the state had improperly removed 198,000 people from its voter registration lists in 2019 on the grounds that they had changed their addresses.

The Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union released a report in September based on an investigation by a progressive independent journalist, Greg Palast, who found that most of the approximately 300,000 people removed had not changed their addresses. Since the investigation was completed, several thousand voters have died or moved, but more than 195,000 remained wrongly affected, the suit says.

The Georgia A.C.L.U. said in a statement that those removed from the rolls were likely to be “young voters, voters of lower income, and citizens of racial groups that have been denied their sacred right to vote in the past.”

PatSeg

(49,106 posts)
23. Well said
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:04 PM
Dec 2020

Yes, the system so far has worked in a sense, but our democracy has only survived by the skin of its teeth and there were many casualties in the process. Meanwhile, it is not over. All these people, voters and politicians alike, who have tried to undermine our democracy are still with us and they are still a threat.

Many will try again and they have a lot of money and power backing them up. The next time, and there WILL be a next time, they could succeed. We cannot relax our efforts. This is just a battle in a very long war.

sandensea

(22,230 posts)
25. They were check-mated this time
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:47 PM
Dec 2020

But the fact the game got far as it did, should be alarming in itself.

panfluteman

(2,123 posts)
30. The System Worked - Perhaps, But Not Nearly as Well as It Was Supposed To.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 11:56 AM
Dec 2020

And so, American democracy survives, only to fight on for another day. The bottom line is that our constitutional democracy works only when all parties to the deal are voluntarily participating, of their own free will, for the good of the country. Unfortunately, only one of our two major political parties is a happy, willing participant in the democratic process. Until the Republicans come around to being willing participants again, or are replaced by another party that is, I fear that we will have more coup attempts in the future.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,659 posts)
34. A very apt description of what has happenedis happening.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 01:36 PM
Dec 2020

But the very end of his tweet says "...continue to spread, eating away at..." and I think that is where the "they are seditious, don't seat them" sentiment arises.

It's more of "It's a slippery slope, don't you see what this leads to?" argument than it is claiming their actions have already reached the level of sedition.

oldsoftie

(13,081 posts)
35. But it DID work; a hard right SCOTUS shut him DOWN & he'll be gone.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 01:42 PM
Dec 2020

A solid conservative Republican leadership in GA shut him DOWN. GOP appointed judges in several states shut him down. TRUMP appointed judges shut him DOWN.
Some spineless Reps scared to speak out didnt stop our system from working.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
36. this
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:20 PM
Dec 2020

the system so far has hobbled through to finally 'win' for the President-elect. And while the trump 60+ lawsuits have failed, he said the election's not over and Alec Jones is threatening President-elect Biden with "removal one way or another".

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