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RandySF

(84,004 posts)
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:53 PM Dec 2020

AMC Theatres May Fully Deplete Cash by January

The cinema chain explained that it has completed a debt offering of $100 million from the Mudrick Capital Management investment firm, after having already deferred more than $400 million of rent commitments to 2021. However, executives estimated that the company will require at least $750 million in additional liquidity to survive during the ongoing coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

AMC added that the delay of multiple blockbuster releases this year, as well as the decision for these films to be released simultaneously on streaming services, has caused major roadblocks. Specifically, AMC noted, "These challenges have been exacerbated by the announcement by Warner Bros. that its entire studio film slate for 2021 will move to simultaneous release, which may result in other studios adopting a similar strategy."

As previously reported, Warner Bros. made the decision to release their entire 2021 slate -- which consists of 17 new films -- in theaters and on HBO Max at the same time. This roster includes highly-anticipated projects such as Dune, The Matrix and In the Heights.

Warner Bros. first hinted that this decision was inevitable after deciding to debut Wonder Woman 1984 on HBO Max on Christmas Day, after the film opens in international film markets beginning on Dec. 16. After debuting the live-action version of Mulan on Disney+ this fall, Disney also recently announced that its anticipated animated movie Raya and the Last Dragon will premiere on its streaming service for a premium price on the same day it opens in theaters in Spring 2021.


https://www.cbr.com/amc-theatres-may-deplete-cash-by-january/

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AMC Theatres May Fully Deplete Cash by January (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2020 OP
Hate to break it to AMC, but you better start looking for new jobs. Theaters aren't coming back. PSPS Dec 2020 #1
+1000 alwaysinasnit Dec 2020 #2
It's still a shame RandySF Dec 2020 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #36
Pause button, fast forward, instant replay, volume control, subcaptions... Towlie Dec 2020 #9
Eh BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #24
Yep, it's been coming on for some time, writings been on the wall! Many people have been RKP5637 Dec 2020 #12
They will. This pandemic won't last forever. Initech Dec 2020 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #37
Nah. They'll be back. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #22
There's something nice about the communal experience of moviegoing StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #54
That makes me sad. Dinner and a movie were always things hubs and I enjoyed on date night. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #26
That is simply not true. Box office sales were 5.3 billion in 1995 and 12 billion in 2018. Doodley Dec 2020 #47
This is true Meowmee Dec 2020 #55
They're still around? Hmmmm... SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #3
What does that mean? Nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #7
People on internet discussion boards like to show they are above the unwashed masses former9thward Dec 2020 #16
It could also be that the poster MissB Dec 2020 #17
More likely they are far, far beyond their teenage, 20s years. former9thward Dec 2020 #20
There are great deals out there...well before the pandemic. Hubs and I paid around Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #27
If that were true, the poster would probably say something like Mariana Dec 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #4
I do too. The issue is in the winter...don't know that those few months are enough of course Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #28
They may turn into churches for a while. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2020 #6
There's demand for entertainment Klaralven Dec 2020 #13
They need to change their business concept. Maybe add in some stores JI7 Dec 2020 #8
The US already has about four times the retail square footage per person of other developed countrys Klaralven Dec 2020 #14
That's why they need to sell the experience similar to apple store JI7 Dec 2020 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #42
I'm talking about how retail can survive. We saw how Sears and Kmart started looking like JI7 Dec 2020 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #51
Retail shopping is in terrible shape. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #29
Most of the ticket money goes to the studios TexasBushwhacker Dec 2020 #45
That's why my idea to sell overpriced crap is a good idea JI7 Dec 2020 #50
We have the Alamo Drafthouse in Texas and there are TexasBushwhacker Dec 2020 #53
Well, cinema had a pretty nice run frazzled Dec 2020 #10
It is sad. Dagstead Bumwood Dec 2020 #15
There's nothing like seeing a movie on the big screen MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #18
Yup. Big screen in a darkened theater with a great sound system TexasBushwhacker Dec 2020 #49
I love going to movies...that is how I feel. I have not rented on of these to the TV Screen Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #38
What happens to the movie theatres in that case? Lancero Dec 2020 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #46
The experience sure isn't what it used to be. Mariana Dec 2020 #35
Why Would Anyone Invest 100s of Millions in a Business Model Being Decimated By Several Factors Indykatie Dec 2020 #11
2019 saw $11.5B box office exboyfil Dec 2020 #21
Avengers: Endgame + Rise of Skywalker RandySF Dec 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #52
Well said BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #40
I'll be going back after I'm vaccinated BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #23
I look forward to going back. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #32
This is sad! Florida Bull Dec 2020 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #41
Another good point in favor of theaters. Dagstead Bumwood Dec 2020 #58
The last time I went to a movie theater was about a year ago. They had the volume turned up as loud doc03 Dec 2020 #44
I haven't been to a theater in quite some time due to COVID dsc Dec 2020 #56
I still love going to theaters Beaverhausen Dec 2020 #57
Covid or not I doubt I will ever go back to a movie theater Raine Dec 2020 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #60

PSPS

(15,313 posts)
1. Hate to break it to AMC, but you better start looking for new jobs. Theaters aren't coming back.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:01 PM
Dec 2020

They have been in decline for over twenty years and were definitely doomed when streaming became ubiquitous. It may have taken another ten years for theaters to be completely dead but the pandemic sped everything up and it happened this year.

Response to RandySF (Reply #5)

Towlie

(5,575 posts)
9. Pause button, fast forward, instant replay, volume control, subcaptions...
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:24 PM
Dec 2020

 


private rest room, no noisy kids or annoying strangers, clean and comfortable seat, temperature control, all of the comforts of home because you are home.

Did I forget anything?

Edit: Yes I did. Theater versions are time-limited to maximize theater income by allowing time for multiple showings during an evening. Director's cut versions are as long as the director needs to tell the story.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
12. Yep, it's been coming on for some time, writings been on the wall! Many people have been
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:40 PM
Dec 2020

forced to explore alternatives and might like them better.

Initech

(108,692 posts)
19. They will. This pandemic won't last forever.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:05 PM
Dec 2020

If AMC goes under someone will pick up the assets when it's safe to go to movie theaters again.

Response to Initech (Reply #19)

BannonsLiver

(20,556 posts)
22. Nah. They'll be back.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:21 PM
Dec 2020

By the way your narrative is false. The business had actually been fairly steady over the last 20 years.

https://m.the-numbers.com/market/

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. There's something nice about the communal experience of moviegoing
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:21 PM
Dec 2020

Home streaming has its value and advantages, but there's nothing like going to a movie theatre.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
26. That makes me sad. Dinner and a movie were always things hubs and I enjoyed on date night.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:31 PM
Dec 2020

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
55. This is true
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:22 PM
Dec 2020

One near us was struggling already for a few years before this and was horrible to go to, always dirty etc and trouble with sound/ projection.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
16. People on internet discussion boards like to show they are above the unwashed masses
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:00 PM
Dec 2020

by pretending they don't know anything about the subject of the OP.

"McDonalds? They still exist?" "What's a Walmart?" etc.

MissB

(16,344 posts)
17. It could also be that the poster
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:02 PM
Dec 2020

can’t afford to plunk down almost $50 to see a movie with a spouse/partner/friend

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
20. More likely they are far, far beyond their teenage, 20s years.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:07 PM
Dec 2020

The prime audience for movie theaters. In that age group people want to be away from their parents and older people. They are more than willing to shell out some discretionary income for that privilege.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
27. There are great deals out there...well before the pandemic. Hubs and I paid around
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:33 PM
Dec 2020

$15.00 bucks for our tickets. That is a national pastime that brought folks together and I think it is sad. Warner Brothers ought to watch out...not much of a reason to pay what they charge can just wait until it is out.

Mariana

(15,623 posts)
31. If that were true, the poster would probably say something like
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:40 PM
Dec 2020

"No great loss for me, I never went there anyway." This poster is pretending not to know that AMC theaters even exist.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
28. I do too. The issue is in the winter...don't know that those few months are enough of course
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:35 PM
Dec 2020

some don't live in Ohio and the other Northern places.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,411 posts)
6. They may turn into churches for a while.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:08 PM
Dec 2020

Then back to theaters, as demand - like during the great depression - for entertainment will be colossal.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
13. There's demand for entertainment
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:42 PM
Dec 2020

Where you don't have to organize an occasion, drive to a theater, find parking, walk in, hang about a lobby buying overpriced refreshments, use a public restroom, go through ticket taking, find a seat (depending on whether assigned or not), and sit through 20 minutes of coming attractions and PSAs.

JI7

(93,568 posts)
8. They need to change their business concept. Maybe add in some stores
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:11 PM
Dec 2020

Things like Disney stores and other things that sell movie related crap.

With fewer people watching movies convert some of the theater space into this shopping.

Charge less for the movies and try to make more on the other things they sell.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
14. The US already has about four times the retail square footage per person of other developed countrys
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:44 PM
Dec 2020

There is no need for more, especially since many of the theaters are already in malls that are suffering.

Response to JI7 (Reply #39)

JI7

(93,568 posts)
48. I'm talking about how retail can survive. We saw how Sears and Kmart started looking like
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:05 PM
Dec 2020

outdated disorganized warehouses with large empty spaces .

JCPenny was also killed with bad management.

Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

TexasBushwhacker

(21,196 posts)
45. Most of the ticket money goes to the studios
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:02 PM
Dec 2020

The first few weeks of a release, about 80% of the box office goes to the studios. That's why theaters have to charge so much for concessions. That's what pays the bills.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,196 posts)
53. We have the Alamo Drafthouse in Texas and there are
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:19 PM
Dec 2020

a few around the country. They serve alcohol and real food, as well popcorn and the usual movie snacks. In addition to Hollywood fair, they show classics, foreign films and theme nights like showing a spaghetti western and serving all the spaghetti you can eat.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. Well, cinema had a pretty nice run
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:26 PM
Dec 2020

125 Years. I think this will be the death of public, communal consumption of films. (Do we still call them films, since so many no longer use film anymore?)

Except for the art and revival houses. They will definitely come back. But it’s really kind of sad overall.

Dagstead Bumwood

(6,639 posts)
15. It is sad.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:50 PM
Dec 2020

I guess I'm a bit mystified by those dancing on the graves of movie theaters. Sure, it's expensive, the floors are sticky and you can't escape the assholes displaying bright screens in a darkened theater. But, since I was a teen I have attended movies religiously. I always walk in with this sense of wonder, ready to immerse myself in a film.

Our local art house seems to be hanging on, which is a blessing, but our Regal googleplex sits dark. Things have definitely changed, and not for the better, IMHO. And, if the studios (with their new business model) think I'm shelling out $30 for the privilege of seeing Mulan on my own couch then they're out of their damn minds.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,248 posts)
18. There's nothing like seeing a movie on the big screen
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:04 PM
Dec 2020

Yes some people can be rude jackasses but overall I enjoyed the experience. An era is coming to an end and it's too bad it had to happen this way. I think it would be a great idea to bring back drive in theaters as an alternative like another poster suggested. The only bad point I see with this is how would this work in certain states during Winter.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,196 posts)
49. Yup. Big screen in a darkened theater with a great sound system
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:06 PM
Dec 2020

It can't be beat. For those that consider a night at the movies too expensive, I would ask where can you get 2 hours of entertainment, usually with free parking, for less money? Pro sports? A concert? No way.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
30. I love going to movies...that is how I feel. I have not rented on of these to the TV Screen
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:39 PM
Dec 2020

movies. Part of the enjoyment was going to the movies. And Teens went.Where can a 16 year old go out? Are we all supposed to sit in our houses for the rest of our lives.

Response to Dagstead Bumwood (Reply #15)

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
43. What happens to the movie theatres in that case?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:00 PM
Dec 2020

No power to the theatre, no power to run the projector to show the movie.

Then again, if we suffer a complete grid collapse I suspect we'll have more important things to worry about besides not being able to watch the latest movies.

Response to Lancero (Reply #43)

Mariana

(15,623 posts)
35. The experience sure isn't what it used to be.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:48 PM
Dec 2020

Once upon a time, you shut up while the movie was playing, or they kicked your ass out. Now they just crank up the volume to painful levels so you can hear it over the folks who jabber away at full volume. Idiots play with their phones without darkening them and it's very distracting. I really don't enjoy going to movie theaters anymore. There's one exception, there's a drive-in still open a about a half hour away, and I like to go there when the weather's nice.

Indykatie

(3,868 posts)
11. Why Would Anyone Invest 100s of Millions in a Business Model Being Decimated By Several Factors
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:31 PM
Dec 2020

like technology, movie creators shifting focus to home entertainment models and people's growing reluctance to be in crowded theaters/venues with COVID still a thing probably for years to come.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
21. 2019 saw $11.5B box office
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:16 PM
Dec 2020

and that doesn't include the concessions that keep theaters operating.

Theaters offer an opportunity for a communal experience. They are also one of the cheapest opportunities to experience entertainment as a couple or a group friends. See Chris Rock's quote:

"I don’t think movies are dead. I think Noah is absolutely right that studios want ten hours of something. But never underestimate that movies are part of a mating ritual. That’s just what humans do. We go to movies. And it’s still the most affordable part of the mating ritual that there is. It’s cheaper than going to any sports game, it’s cheaper than theater. People need to get out of the house and that hasn’t been replaced. So I don’t think movies are going anywhere."

Maybe most people on this board don't appreciate big dollar epics or science fiction/fantasy/action/comic book movies, but those will go away if the theater model goes away. The Warner decision to drop on streaming the same day as box office release for Dune means the follow up movie will have a 1/3rd of the budget most likely.

Response to RandySF (Reply #25)

BannonsLiver

(20,556 posts)
33. Well said
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:41 PM
Dec 2020

Especially the first sentence of your last paragraph. This thread is a great example of a classic Doomer pile on wherein if the first couple of responses are Doomer the rest usually follow.

I can remember back in March when people were saying Disney World would be closed forever.

I don’t particularly like the fact DW is open, but alas, the demand is there.

Response to exboyfil (Reply #21)

Florida Bull

(103 posts)
34. This is sad!
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:47 PM
Dec 2020

I like going to the movie theater. I can immerse myself in the movie, in a way I cannot on a smartphone screen or even living room tv. It’s relaxing and feels good. I also only watch one or two movies a month. I don’t want to subscribe to 6 or more streaming platforms to watch one movie a month.

Another concern for me, is it provides people in the local community with jobs.

Response to Florida Bull (Reply #34)

Dagstead Bumwood

(6,639 posts)
58. Another good point in favor of theaters.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:12 PM
Dec 2020

If I'm at home there are just too many distractions. Once I leave the house and pay for admission to the theater, I am locked into that movie. No phones, no laptop, no nothing distracting me from the movie.

doc03

(39,075 posts)
44. The last time I went to a movie theater was about a year ago. They had the volume turned up as loud
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:01 PM
Dec 2020

as it could go I think. The AC was so cold it was like a meat locker. The restroom stalls were covered with graffiti and one of the urinals
was broke off the wall one of the others was leaking directly on the floor. The concession prices are ridiculous. This was way before the pandemic. The malls and Walmart killed downtown theaters. Back when we had downtown shopping we had several theaters all in beautiful well maintained facilities now we go the mega mall theaters that are dumps.

dsc

(53,386 posts)
56. I haven't been to a theater in quite some time due to COVID
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:24 PM
Dec 2020

but I do miss going to the occasional film and/or festival. I just watch my local Outfest (LGBT festival) at home. Movies were great but no one to discuss them with. And, watching the likes of Wonder Woman 1984 at home just won't be the same.

Beaverhausen

(24,697 posts)
57. I still love going to theaters
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:24 PM
Dec 2020

I love the whole experience. Especially when I can reserve my seat beforehand.

Of course I live in Los Angeles where we are blessed with a very large number of good theaters, especially the Arclight chain.

I can’t wait to go to a theater again.

Raine

(31,174 posts)
59. Covid or not I doubt I will ever go back to a movie theater
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 10:37 PM
Dec 2020

now I wonder how clean they ever were and figure I was always at risk for picking up something. Plus I prefer the comfort of home, no noisy people, no expensive refreshments, can stop and start movies for breaks etc.

Response to Raine (Reply #59)

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