I don't get it. How can these two groups co-exist for the purpose of being MAGAts?

[no_hypocrisy]

On one hand, you have the Proud Boys and other racist groups who have more or less pledged their lives and their future to Trump.

On the other hand, you have individuals like Candace Owens, Allen West, Armstrong Williams, etc. who are part of the #Revive Movement, who are mostly African-American and have the same strength of fidelity to Trump as the racist elements of MAGAts.

How do they reconcile their differences?

[John Ludi]

1. They don't really HAVE to...

that's the luxury of being crazy.

[dawg day]

6. So true.

Crazy means you get to believe passionately in contradictory things.

[luv2fly]

2. They hate Democrats

That's all they need in common.

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. Ding, Ding. Nailed it!!

Damn those Libruls. It's what they have in common.

[mucifer]

3. they only care about money and power not whether their relatives are murdered

[Siwsan]

4. The enemy of their enemy is their friend?

[My Pet Orangutan]

5. The Chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is black.

[keithbvadu2]

12. "We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders...."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212402180

is Proud Boys leader a person of color? Afro-Cuban?

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214529994

Civil war brewing inside Proud Boys as top leader says he's done pretending he isn't a Nazi

“Due to the recent failure of Proud Boy Chairman Enrique Tarrio to conduct himself with honor and courage on the battlefield, it has been decided that I Kyle Chapman reassume my post as President of Proud Boys effective immediately,” Chapman wrote. “We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other ‘undesirables’ into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization.”

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. Regarding the second group:

I suspect for a very small few within the Black community, there are people who get some sort of ego trip by white conservatives who trip all over themselves to adopt that person as a “black friend” in a vain and pathetic effort to deny their racism.

I suppose they enjoy feeling being used like that, as if it makes them feel wanted, no matter how insincere it actually is.

[My Pet Orangutan]

8. The Chairman of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, is black.

[uponit7771]

9. Like Barkley they're contrarian to be contrarian or don't relate culturally to black people even

... though they're black themselves like Thomas.

[MartyTheGreek]

10. Just proves that narcissism, can strike across races and failed Rappers like Check$! n/t

[keithbvadu2]

11. Useful tools for each other.

[JI7]

13. Those black people are grifters , hate other minorites or are self hating . So they support Trump

for the same reason white people (and anyone else) who support Trump do so.

[ananda]

14. They don't.

They're all crazy, each in their own way.

[beachbumbob]

15. to be honest, a guy like Allan West doesn;t see himself as "black"

[Tarc]

16. There's a term for Candace Owens, Allen West, Armstrong Williams, etc...

Just like Stephen in Django Unchained.

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Owens, etc... have been "freed" by the white supremacists in the GOP, to lord over everyday people of color.

[Generic Brad]

18. Money

Pay off a handful of movement leaders (aka - loudmouths) and they will promote whatever you tell them.

[StarfishSaver]

19. All oppressed groups have an element who choose to survive by doing the bidding of their oppressors

[TheBlackAdder]

20. There are a quite a few Asian-Americans & Indian-Americans and others who view themselves as White.

.

When having discussions with them, they see themselves as White and support Trump and the rest.

Similar to how a lot of Jews support Trump and Republicans, including Stephen Miller. When in reality, if the White Supremacists ever got their way, they'd eventually be placed in one of the boxcars to a concentration camp. Mind you, it would be one of the last trains to go out, but in the end, they'd still be on one of them at some point in time.

It's such a strange perception these people have. Granted, the generalized term White has expanded in the mid 20th Century to include Italians (50s), then Greeks(60s), then Jews (60s-70s), but not to the hardcore White Supremacist. They're still the Other.

.

[doc03]

21. How did the Tea Party evolve into supporters of Trump

that almost totally runs against what they were supposed to be promoting?

[Orangepeel]

24. because what really motivated them was anti-Obamaism

Or was that a rhetorical question? 😀

[David__77]

22. Italian fascism provides an example.

There were different party factions. Some were explicitly racist some were not. The pro-fascist Trumpists aren’t even really a party and are also somewhat diverse on various matters. Proud Boys state opposition to racism as a tactical matter since to say so openly at this time would be harmful to their ability to unite with and lead many others.

Also, some pro-fascist people who aren’t white support the idea of the US as a white country that allows some non-whites to enjoy the benefits of whiteness- something like that.

[tulipsandroses]

23. Some of those folks - are grifters, will say anything for shock value for money

Allow themselves to be useful idiots for money. There is an article I read awhile ago about young female journalists being told to take on a certain kind of persona to be more successful. I'll have to see if I can find it again. The Kayeigh Mcninny types. Young, blonde " conservative", contrarian. That personality is more successful. See the lineup at Fox, or some of their previous folks.

Candace Owens took that route. She could not break through in a voice of so many black voices that were fighting the same fight. So to be more successful, she flipped the script. She is no different than Diamond and Silk. Grifters.

Then you have some folks, unfortunately who, at the core, hate who they are. In an ironic way, their feelings about themselves and others are tied to what they are fighting for. Black people have been hated and vilified for so long, low self esteem and self hate sets in for some people. Their defense mechanism for survival is to become like their oppressors. To be accepted by white society, they must be " different from other black people".

Enrique Tarrio is a black Cuban. Cuba has its own ugly history of racism. He has said he was drawn to the proud boys because it is similar to the environment he grew up in.