About those Proud Boys in kilts

[Tree-Hugger]

The kilts were ordered from a company called Verillas, which is LGBTQIA+ owned and very progressive. They have a line for Pride. The owner of Verillas saw the photo of the jackasses and realized they were wearing $750.00 worth of their merchandise. Horrified, Verillas made a $1000.00 donation to NAACP to counteract the Proud Boys flabby-assed hate.


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/12/2001622/-NeoNazis-in-DC-photographed-in-750-worth-of-kilts-so-kilt-maker-Verillas-gives-1000-to-NAACP|

[niyad]

1. Thank you for this information.

[Arne]

2. Proud Boys flabby-assed hate

Good slogan.

[CatMor]

3. Scotland will be another country angry with us thanks to trump.

[irisblue]

8. The Scots beat trump and got paid in a lawsuit against trump

Google Scottish Windmills & trump golf course.

[CatMor]

15. Good for them ... did he actually pay the legal fees ...

he is known not to pay.

[irisblue]

17. Here are 2 articles. Since I have not physically seen the checks, I am not 100% sure

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/12/trump-firm-settles-legal-bill-over-scottish-windfarm-dispute

snip-"The Trump Organization has settled a £225,000 legal bill with the Scottish government after it lost a long court battle against a windfarm near its Aberdeenshire golf course.

The Scottish government said Donald Trump’s family firm had agreed to pay its legal fees before a dispute over those costs went to adjudication by a court-appointed auditor.

The Guardian revealed last month that the government had accused the Trump Organization of refusing to pay its legal costs despite a court order earlier this year after Trump lost a UK supreme court case in 2015."
More at source


https://www.ecowatch.com/trump-scotland-windfarm-lawsuit-2641325439.html

snip-"He lost that fight, and now the Trump Organization has agreed to pay the Scottish government $290,000 to cover its legal fees, The Washington Post reported Tuesday"

more at source.


Pissing off Scots is a foolish idea.

[Ligyron]

84. I hope they seize his properties.

Of course, I've not checked, but seem to remember they were losing money. In that case the Scotts would just be doing Dump a favor.

[Poiuyt]

13. Scottish insults directed at Trump

[Lonestarblue]

14. I love the insults!

“Bloviating flesh bag” is so apt.

[CatMor]

16. Thank you, those insults gave me a good laugh ..

the Scots have a way with words.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. Yes, they do

[luvtheGWN]

24. Nobody casts better insults

than a Scot!

[wnylib]

37. Donald's mother was a Scottish immigrant.

[CatMor]

46. I doubt she had a good sense of humor .

she certainly didn't pass one on to Donnie.

[wnylib]

53. She needed all her energy for

surviving life with Fred, from what Mary says about him.

Donnie got his traits from his father, it seems.

[tonedevil]

78. I've seen pictures of his mother, donald at least got his hair styling sense from her.

[wnylib]

80. I read that Donald's hair problems

began when it started thinning out. He went to a hair transplant specialist recommended to him by Ivanna. The guy did a poor job, or at least Donald was not satisfied, and he blamed Ivanna. Initially, in her divorce complaint, she said that Donald beat and raped her in retaliation, but she retracted that later.

Donald developed his "hairstyle" as a work around solution.

[dhol82]

81. I also heard that he stiffed the guy who did the transplants.

He’s certainly been consistent.

[wnylib]

86. I'm sure he did stiff the guy. As you'

daid, he's certainly been consistent. Too bad that all his consistencies are negative.

[Ligyron]

85. OTOH, his whole life has been a bad joke.

[CatMor]

89. It sure has.

[BobTheSubgenius]

26. Scots have great imagination with the language.

Especially when they are insulting someone. To echo one of those tweets...."weapons grade."

[SWBTATTReg]

32. Ha ha heh...these insults are a treasure, and very apt in describing djt ...

[homegirl]

35. What tartan

was used in the manufacture of the kilts?

[RainCaster]

68. It came from the McUrinator clan

Hence the prominent yellow color.

[Wednesdays]

39. I just imagined those comments spoken with a Scottish accent

All the funnier!

[demmiblue]

49. Imagine no longer:

[erronis]

50. Excellent segment with Sam Bee! thx!

[Chili]

67. oh...

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

[Chili]

66. I'm going to steal these

"mangled apricot hellbeast"

"spoon" (???)

"clueless numpty"

"bloviating flesh bag"

"weapons-grade plum" (???)

"weaselheaded fucknugget" - favorite!

"touped fucktrumpet"

"witless f*cking cocksplat"

[RVN VET71]

70. "You spoon?"

I don't know what in hell it means, but I love it!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

76. I don't understand most of these insults,

but I still like them!

"weapons grade plum"???!!!

[Baitball Blogger]

4. The other connection, is to Scotland.

I'm sure someone will correct me, but don't a number of white supremacist have Scot roots?

[mopinko]

10. i'm sure.

i mean, i dont know that, but 'hillbillies' are scots/irish.

did you know that back in the day, england sent scottish troops to ireland? they they were fierce killers. the black scots. deeply feared.

[Tree-Hugger]

21. I'm sure some do

When you think of Appalachia, there are a lot of Scots-Irish roots. But, like anything else, there are folks with the same roots who hate these guys. I myself have both Scottish and Irish roots.

[Randomthought]

25. Appalachian girl here

I really resent being labeled a hillbilly and having people assume I'm a Trumper. IMHO calling a person or group of people by a derogatory name is very wrong.

[Tree-Hugger]

29. I didn't

....call anyone a hillbilly. And I said that you'll find people who hate what they stand for.

[wnylib]

38. I agree with you. I'm not from

Appalachia myself, but it looks like some stereotypes were being tossed around pretty freely here.

[Randomthought]

41. Thank you

I just wish people realized that "hillbilly" can be used in very hurtful ways.

[Tree-Hugger]

42. Please note

I wasn't using the term hillbilly. My post was in response - when you think of the Appalachia region there are a lot of Scots Irish. But, as with anything else, you'll find people who dislike them (PBs, supremecists), too. I'm not disparaging the region.

[wnylib]

55. Yes, it's true that a lot of Scots-Irish

(Scots from Northern Ireland) settled in the plateaus, foothills, and mountains of Appalachia as small farmers in colonial times. It is not true that today they are inherently, by ethnicity or by where they live, racial supremacists or supporters of the Proud Boys.

There are RW extremists of the Proud Boys type in the Midwest, and even in parts of my own state of NY. It is not accurate to characterize the Scots-Irish in America or people of Appalachia as Proud Boys stereotypes.

[Tree-Hugger]

61. Right

Racism is everywhere and PBs have supporters everywhere, including outside of America. We have PBs on my Philly suburb and in the city itself. They are not a majority by any means, but they have found support in many areas.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

56. I was raised in the Ozarks.

And I totally agree.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

72. Same here

Scotch black irish,native american,english and german roots here.

[LeftInTX]

48. Yes, but they don't embrace it, cuz "America"

Most came here before the Revolutionary War.

My mom was like 100% Scot-Irish, British etc.

Many don't like terms like, "Italian-American", so they ditched any connections to the old world generations ago. The Civil War loss also created a culture shift for them. In 2017, I found out that my mom had a bunch of slavery hidden in the past. I have no idea if her parents ever told her. Based on records, my great grandfather was born into a prosperous household with slaves in North Carolina. He died an orchard worker in Florida.

Did they erase the past or did my mom lie? I have no idea. My mom always said they were "too poor for slaves"...Almost everywhere I looked on her side of the family, I was hit with some form of slave schedule in the 1850 or 1860 census. They lost their wealth after the war.

[pnwmom]

57. Not that ink blot design. The pattern is not from any Scottish clan. n/t

[Hekate]

60. We had a wave of settlers who were Scots-Irish in the 1700s

They were the foundational white ethnic group of the Appalachians, and then of the working class South and Ohio Valley. Protestant, very Protestant, but never WASPS — quite erroneously lumped in with them, according to Jim Webb. Fierce fighters for thousands of years. Can hold a grudge for generations (see: The Troubles. See also: Hatfields and McCoys). Heirs to a ferocious honor-culture.

How did the Scots end up in Northern Ireland? Short version: the British formed the Ulster Plantation, 1609, by seizing and colonizing the vast area most resistant to British rule. No one forgets a wrong, ever.

My mother did 5 books of genealogy in her life, and was usually able to eventually trace family lines “across the water” (i.e. the Atlantic). Not my dad’s family name — that petered out in 1775 in Boston. 1775 would have put James Cassidy close to the end of the Scots-Irish migration, I have since discovered, so that might be a clue. The identifiable Irish, the Mulloolys, O’Haras, and the rest, were the Catholics.

I recommend —always— James Webb’s “Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America.” The man is a superb storyteller, and this is a much better book than “Hillbilly Elegy” : deeper, richer, more fully realized. There’s much to know and consider beyond poverty and dysfunction : presidents, military from top to bottom, so much of what we take for granted in American history and culture. He doesn’t skip over the sad and bad parts, as they were part of the shaping of America.

Second book, or one chapter of it: “Outliers” by Malcolm Gladwell, Chapter 6 —Harlan, Kentucky: ‘Die like a man, like your brother did!’ Gladwell is the one who pegged the mindset as “a virulent form of honor culture.” And there we will find a clue to the curdled remnants who form the Proud Boys and their ilk.

But if you only read one book, make it Jim Webb’s. I learned an immense amount about a region that was alien to me (my ties are to California and Hawai’i) and about a culture (not the Proud Boys, not the Klan) that so often was right before my eyes.

POSTSCRIPT: I see a number of posters objecting to the term “hillbilly.” Please recognize it has made a comeback due to J.D. Vance’s 2016 “Hillbilly Elegy: a memoir of a family and culture in crisis,” which is about his own family.

[keithbvadu2]

5. The irony... Too rich!

The irony... Too rich!

[Hortensis]

77. Looks to me like the "Proud Boys" may either coming out or

perhaps unintentionally revealing that classic uber-homophobic obsession with the forbidden...

Gives "Proud Boys" a whole new meaning. Could Trump be playing YMCA at his rallies for them?

[brewens]

6. One of my locals stoner buddies here in Idaho wore kilts a lot. He worked for Inland Cellular for a

time and had been told he couldn't wear shorts on the job. He read their dress code policy and figured out he could wear a kilt.

He died unexpectedly two years ago. Probably heart attack in his mid 50's. One of the most popular, well known guys in town. He had left Inland to manage a weed shop in an adjacent Washington town. He was the perfect dude for that gig and the place was doing really well. He and his trademark kilts are missed. Verillas would have approved of him.

[Gore1FL]

11. That is an epic workaround! nt

[Tree-Hugger]

30. That is a good way to adapt

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.

[2naSalit]

7. K&R

[ChazInAz]

9. Verillas!?

They're my main kilt supplier!

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

12. Should I stop wearing my kilt?

It's very comfortable, especially in warm weather. My only complaint is that the sporran isn't large enough to hold my wallet, my keys and my cell phone.

The plaid is Black Watch

[nolabear]

23. Of course not. I love a man in a kilt.

A Proud Boy not so much.

That lot were performers and nothing more.

[yellowdogintexas]

44. I love Black Watch tartan.

My mom made a skirt for me using Black Watch plaid fabric I wore it for years.

[sdfernando]

52. OY!

for a second there I thought you were going to say it wasn't large enough to....Oh, nevermind!

[Frustratedlady]

82. I dearly love that plaid. It is part of my family's plaid and I fell in love with it as a teenager.

In tracking my family history, I ran across it later in life and have purchased many items in that plaid ever since. LL Bean had some items, but I've rarely been able to buy one because they are always out of stock.

[handmade34]

18. $750.00

cheap for 5 well made kilts! I used to custom make them for WWI reenactors and they ain't cheap to make

[Tree-Hugger]

22. They probably couldn't afford real handmade kilts

I am adjacent to a lot of Ren Faire performers and other reenactors and many like Verillas for their kilts and other accessories. They seem, to my untrained eye and hands, to be well-made. They are mass-produced. Other friends of mine have real, handmade kilts that certainly cost a lot of money to create.

[csziggy]

47. Yes, but "real" kilts were not sewn

I saw a demonstration like this at a border museum. The demonstrator used a regular belt - I like the use of a tied belt in this demo.

[catchnrelease]

63. A great kilt!

My son in law was a re-enactor at ren faires, with a Scottish group. (where he and my daughter met!) They always wore a great kilt vs what they called 'Lee press on kilts' a reference to Lee press on fake fingernails. They looked down on the pre made kind of kilts for what they were doing. An impressive amount of fabric goes into those things.

[csziggy]

64. Yes, but look at how versatile they are!

Not only are they kilts, they are cloaks, pockets, sashes, and more. When they are taken off, they can be a blanket or ground cloth, or boh.

At the demonstration I saw, I think they said that at least three meters are needed to make a really good kilt. Any less, and you have to reduce how many pleats you have. The demonstration in the video has fabric that is at least 54" wide or a meter and a half. That is a LOT of cloth!

[Maeve]

83. "at least three meters"--or, as some would say--the whole 9 yards!

(yes, the origin of that phrase is questioned, but it does fit the situation and I know a few Scots who claim it!)

[csziggy]

88. I think it fits!

Of course, someone my size would probably need more than nine yards - but less than 54" wide - except women wore their kilts longer so maybe 54" would be fine. Let's see, my inseam is 29" so for ankle length that would leave 35" for the sash, cloak, and pocket variations. Sounds about right!

[Miigwech]

20. 'Up their kilts with a wire brush'

[3catwoman3]

27. Proud Boys is such a pathetic name.

These jackasses have NOTHING to be proud of.

[wnylib]

40. But they are boys.

Stunted emotional and psychological growth.

[Doreen]

51. They have to use "boys" because they sure as hell can't call or even consider themselves "men."

[BobTheSubgenius]

28. I wouldn't be surprised if The Ferret has some Scots' blood.

He also has a facility for insults that are both hilarious and scathing.

[yellowdogintexas]

43. Ferret aka Shower Cap is the Emperor of scathing verbiage

I started saving his various alternative names for #45 on a Word Document .. No one can do it like Ferret

I read Shower Cap Blog because he has articles on there which are nor posted here.

[rickyhall]

31. Kilts make it easier for PBs to get their heads up their asses, i think.

[Hekate]

33. KnR

[FakeNoose]

34. Those kilts are not made from Tartan plaid

Maybe a Scottish company made them, but this isn't a traditional plaid.
They could just as easily have been cheap skirts from Walmart.

[pnwmom]

58. Exactly. They look like they're covered in ink blots. nt

[I_UndergroundPanther]

73. Bad tye dye jobs.

[jmowreader]

59. They probably were just skirts

Which brings up another point: skirts are not sold in the menswear department.

[LearnedHand]

62. Brown backpack guy with the little ass tuck

Is an especially authentic touch.

[Jon King]

36. They lose power year after year...

All these MAGAs are just digging their holes deeper and deeper. Wasting time and money fighting lost causes. Demographics are changing, they will never hold national office again. The Asian kids, Indian kids, kids of liberals, are educating themselves in the future economy of green energy and technology and the cloud. The liberal suburbs are growing fast and becoming more affluent.

Yet these MAGAs keep falling further and further behind, dooming themselves and any kids or grand kids to lower and lower economic status. News flash....does not matter if you are 6'3", mean looking, with 20 guns at your house.....that nerdy, skinny progressive will own the company and the future.

Trump is not going to be the force they think he is after Jan 20th. His only power will be to pick candidates in already deep, deep red areas. So what? These MAGAs will lose status and power and economic standing year after year after year. Not sure how that is 'winning'.

Those hours and money spent traveling to DC and walking around trying to look tough would have been better spent taking their sons or nieces to computer coding classes. They are fighting a cause that was lost long ago.

[benfranklin1776]

45. Nice!

That’s the way you do it! Take their money and use it for good!

[Runningdawg]

54. The skirts are an insult to the kilt and Scottish people.

[FakeNoose]

65. I think so too. But if I were Scots, these guys would be an embarrassment

So ... all in all it's just as well. They look ridiculous.

[Gothmog]

69. Proud Boys to star in remake of Clueless:

Link to tweet

[I_UndergroundPanther]

71. I have a few kilts

Black red white,and one black and rainbow.

[haele]

74. Laz heard the story and checked out the site -he's always wanted a kilt.

Looks to be some quality stock and is a fun company site, even though they're more than a bit cosplay. He found one he liked and will be getting himself one for New Years.
I can't imagine those "proud boys" would be very happy knowing they just exposed how much cosplay figures in these supposedly macho militia groups.

Haele

[bluecollar2]

75. Witless fucking cocksplat

Pretty much covers it...

[whistler162]

79. They had to honor their patriarch

[TommyCelt]

87. Ugh

I am a member of the BDSM/kink community - 1st these asses try to co-opt the "Leatherman" title, not having a clue what it actually means. NOW they want our garb too???