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JHB

(38,211 posts)
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 11:47 AM Dec 2020

Hijacking the electoral college: The plot to deny JFK the presidency 60 years ago

This zealotry and belief in their own Divine Right to run things has been around for a long time. Republicans simply collected them into a single party, bringing it to a critical mass. It's not "Trumpism". It's just that with him the last of the "responsible" varnish has been stripped off.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/13/electoral-college-jfk-trump/
(paywall warning)

Hijacking the electoral college: The plot to deny JFK the presidency 60 years ago
By Ronald G. Shafer
Dec. 13, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. EST

After Democrat John F. Kennedy barely beat Republican Richard M. Nixon in the 1960 election, a coalition of opponents plotted to deny him the presidency in the electoral college. Most were White, conservative electors from the south who opposed the young Massachusetts senator’s liberal policies, especially his support for civil rights for Black Americans. If these electors had succeeded, segregationist Democratic Sen. Harry Byrd of Virginia would have been elected president. His vice president would have been Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater of Arizona. Both men had nothing to do with the idea.

***

Immediately after the 1960 election, electors from Alabama and Mississippi agreed not to cast their votes for Kennedy, who had won both states. All of Mississippi’s eight electors and six of Alabama’s 11 electors were unpledged. The electors lobbied their counterparts in the electoral college to follow their lead. Organizers of the movement came up with a three-point “Plan To Give the South a Partial Vote in the Affairs of the Nation.”

***

The goal was to have electors elect the president within the electoral college, said Lea Harris, a Democratic lawyer in Alabama. If that failed, as “a last resort” the electors would seek to switch enough votes to keep Kennedy from getting the 269 electoral votes needed for election and throw the race into the House of Representatives.

***

The rebel southern electors wrote Republican electors urging them to switch their votes from Nixon. Republican Henry Irwin of Oklahoma, a pledged Nixon elector opposed to what he called Kennedy’s “socialist-labor” views, was receptive. It soon “became apparent to a shrewd observer that a possibility existed to deny the presidency to Kennedy,” he said later.

***

After the overwhelming defeat, the Alabama electors complained that Southerners could have controlled the election, but “their sycophantic political leaders failed them miserably.”


That was back when conservative southerners (Democrats at the time) would still ignore "crackpot plans."

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Hijacking the electoral college: The plot to deny JFK the presidency 60 years ago (Original Post) JHB Dec 2020 OP
The word "unprecedented" has been worn out DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #1
Very interesting. CrispyQ Dec 2020 #2
they showed us in all those elections where they would run as a democrat demigoddess Dec 2020 #12
Sooo.in 1960' we had a population of approximately 180 million, with 435 representatives. Today niyad Dec 2020 #3
Kick dalton99a Dec 2020 #4
Important background. Thank you. zentrum Dec 2020 #5
If I'm reading this correctly, the Mississippi and Alabama electors, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2020 #6
.."what he called Kennedy's "socialist-labor" views....." jalan48 Dec 2020 #7
Well, it's not accurate, so we shouldn't embrace it either. JHB Dec 2020 #8
Today's Republican's refer to universal health care as Socialist. It would be nice to see all jalan48 Dec 2020 #9
We had a leading contender for the nomination calling himself a democratic socialist, My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #13
Definitely an improvement but it has been 60 years and many still cower at the label. jalan48 Dec 2020 #14
So what? Avoid direct badmouthing, but point out how he's an isolated case... JHB Dec 2020 #17
"Nothing he's proposed, nor by AOC and the Squad socialism." My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #18
Yes, it would be nice. Maybe we can finally get some people to say... JHB Dec 2020 #15
I agree-play offense not defense. jalan48 Dec 2020 #16
Conservatives do ... NOT ... want democracy, doesn't matter what political party they belong to uponit7771 Dec 2020 #10
Their perfect form of government is a banana republic... JHB Dec 2020 #23
JFK's wins in IL and TX were dodgy. My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #11
Some precincts in Illinois murielm99 Dec 2020 #19
I am so sick of conservative pundits whipping out Illinois '60 as an example of "stolen election" JHB Dec 2020 #21
Nixon needing both IL & TX to win. My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #22
I know. That in particular is why pushback is so necessary JHB Dec 2020 #24
The two 'stolen elections' 2000, and 2016 were catastrophes for the United States. My Pet Orangutan Dec 2020 #25
Yup. Mayor Richard Daley said when they stop cheating downstate, I'll stop it in Chicago. roamer65 Dec 2020 #26
The Republicans had the chance to investigate and didn't take it... JHB Dec 2020 #20
That was before 30 years of brain washing by right wing media. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #27

DeminPennswoods

(17,504 posts)
1. The word "unprecedented" has been worn out
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 11:50 AM
Dec 2020

by news hosts and pundits/guests/commentators, but this just shows nothing is really "unprecedented" in American history.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
2. Very interesting.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 12:03 PM
Dec 2020

They've been showing us who they are for a long time. Will we believe what we see, now?

Thanks for posting.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
12. they showed us in all those elections where they would run as a democrat
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:34 PM
Dec 2020

and then immediately after they won the election they would switch to the republican party right before being sworn into the Congress. Can't remember exact names or states but it happened several times.

niyad

(132,429 posts)
3. Sooo.in 1960' we had a population of approximately 180 million, with 435 representatives. Today
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 12:13 PM
Dec 2020

our population is roughly 331 million, with 438 representatives. The math seems a little off.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
6. If I'm reading this correctly, the Mississippi and Alabama electors,
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:13 PM
Dec 2020

who all should have been Democratic party stalwarts, agreed NOT to vote for the man they were pledged to vote for? That's pathetic. I hope those specific individuals were then drummed out of the Democratic Party.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
7. .."what he called Kennedy's "socialist-labor" views....."
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:14 PM
Dec 2020

Some things never change and we are still running from the label 60 years later.

JHB

(38,211 posts)
8. Well, it's not accurate, so we shouldn't embrace it either.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:20 PM
Dec 2020

What we do need to do is confront this directly and smack them around for the liars and extremists they are.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
9. Today's Republican's refer to universal health care as Socialist. It would be nice to see all
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:29 PM
Dec 2020

Democrats confronting Republicans as you suggest.

My Pet Orangutan

(12,598 posts)
13. We had a leading contender for the nomination calling himself a democratic socialist,
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:35 PM
Dec 2020

and high profile allies being members of the DSA.

JHB

(38,211 posts)
17. So what? Avoid direct badmouthing, but point out how he's an isolated case...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:45 PM
Dec 2020

...who had all those years as the mayor of Burlington for the people of his state to get to know the guy, not the label, but that's not true out in the rest of the US. Nothing he's proposed, nor by AOC and the Squad, is socialism.

My Pet Orangutan

(12,598 posts)
18. "Nothing he's proposed, nor by AOC and the Squad socialism."
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:48 PM
Dec 2020

Exactly. They are self-described 'Democratic Socialists' - - but what they are proposing is bog-standard Social Democracy.

JHB

(38,211 posts)
15. Yes, it would be nice. Maybe we can finally get some people to say...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:38 PM
Dec 2020

..."Blow it out your ass, you guys call everything you don't like "socialism'" (maybe more cleanly worded, but with that sort of force).

This is not something that can be shied away from. Avoiding it just lets them push their warped version further.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
10. Conservatives do ... NOT ... want democracy, doesn't matter what political party they belong to
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:30 PM
Dec 2020

JHB

(38,211 posts)
23. Their perfect form of government is a banana republic...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:59 PM
Dec 2020

A small elite who runs things (and arranges things so money pours into their pockets), a slightly larger middle class who services them and oversees the third group, which is a huge underclass of peasants who should know their place.

And they've never met a dictator they didn't like as long as the guy called himself "anticommunist."

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
19. Some precincts in Illinois
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:50 PM
Dec 2020

were won by Kennedy by only one or two votes. I used to have a poster showing this.

It was meant to demonstrate that every vote is important.

As I have heard it, there was a lot of cheating by Democrats in the northern part of the state. It was offset by cheating done by Republicans downstate. Kennedy won. Good.

JHB

(38,211 posts)
21. I am so sick of conservative pundits whipping out Illinois '60 as an example of "stolen election"
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:52 PM
Dec 2020

...and nobody pushes back on them.

My Pet Orangutan

(12,598 posts)
22. Nixon needing both IL & TX to win.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:58 PM
Dec 2020

That was not going to happen.

Nixon Didn’t Fight on in 1960 Because Texas Law Didn’t Allow Him to
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164266

On Illinois

Of the two, Illinois was much closer, with Kennedy ahead of Nixon by only 8,858 votes. Historians concur that some amount of fraud occurred in Cook County on behalf of Kennedy, but how much? There never was a full recount of the 1960 presidential vote in Illinois, but a partial recount of a down-ballot race in the same election showed that the Republican candidate had been undercounted in preliminary returns by 8,875—a number that at least suggests that Nixon might be been uncounted by similar amount.

JHB

(38,211 posts)
24. I know. That in particular is why pushback is so necessary
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:03 PM
Dec 2020

It's insane how tightly they cling to it. Even if Illinois flipped to Nixon, Kennedy would still have been president.

But... insanely nursing grudges and grinding axes is pretty much what they do.

My Pet Orangutan

(12,598 posts)
25. The two 'stolen elections' 2000, and 2016 were catastrophes for the United States.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:29 PM
Dec 2020

1960 gave us a president whose skepticism, and cynicism towards the unanimous advice of the Joint Cheifs saved the U.S. from WWWIII.

1960 - Texas was not close - 50.5 - 48.5 Kennedy. Nixon lost in TX again in 1968..

The count is regarded as questionable because of the domination of Democratic officials carrying out the count. The counter is the very same argument - LBJ so dominated TX politics that JFK was always going to win Texas with Johnson on the ticket.





roamer65

(37,953 posts)
26. Yup. Mayor Richard Daley said when they stop cheating downstate, I'll stop it in Chicago.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:33 PM
Dec 2020

JHB

(38,211 posts)
20. The Republicans had the chance to investigate and didn't take it...
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:51 PM
Dec 2020

...probably because the most likely outcome would be statewide investigations that would point to similar dodgyness in their own strongholds in those states.

Insufficient hard evidence hasn't stopped conservatives from waving Chicago '60 as a bloody flag to rally fanatical opposition to any and all Democrats.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
27. That was before 30 years of brain washing by right wing media.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:49 PM
Dec 2020

As you said, conservatives have ALWAYS believed they have a divine right to be in charge. What they didn't have until the 80's and 90's was a whole media ecosystem that 1. directly brainwashed the members of the Republican party. 2. By sheer volume (as in noise) infiltrate the mainstream media to promote right wing ideas there.

Remember that Republicans also worked on a coup attempt against FDR in the 1930's.

This is not a new thing for conservatives. It will not be the last attempt, even if they fail.

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