Question about DU jury service.

[Laffy Kat]

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I wasn't sure where to post this but I got ask for jury service and I wasn't able to complete due to the thread being so long I could never find the "red" post I was supposed to judge. It just wasn't there, so I backed-out and ask to be removed from consideration. Did anyone else have this problem?

[applegrove]

1. I often backed out if i could not follow.

[Kid Berwyn]

2. That just happened to me, too.

Had to excuse myself, as the post was not visible.

[Laffy Kat]

3. Yep. Had to be the same one.

[bottomofthehill]

39. It was really long before getting to the reported post.

[GP6971]

4. It's happened to me a couple of times

over the years.

[Takket]

5. the post to be adjudicated is always the first one shown to you

you shouldn't have to go looking for anything. it brings you right to it.

edit: ah, apparently this is some new bug......... judging by what others are saying

[Laffy Kat]

7. Usually, but not this time.

I even double-checked before I backed-out.

[Takket]

26. heh.... well it just happened to me too! wonder if it was the same thread......

bizarre!!!!!!

[sheshe2]

13. I was on one a while back.

So many posts were displayed it went off the right side of the page. Never saw the one sent to jury. I backed out. Can't vote on what you can not read.

This was some time ago and still not fixed.

[elleng]

6. Yes/No; No problem.

[Captain Zero]

8. Yes. I admit I had problems with it.

I think after I failed to be on one a few times, I stopped getting requests.

I did honestly not understand what exactly was being presented as possibly wrong with a post. Seemed a number of the posts and those around it were vague to me.

Could have just been me too...

[Rorey]

9. Sometimes there's just too much there

And sometimes I just don't feel well-enough informed about a particular topic to make a fair judgement.

And sometimes I just know I can't be fair because of my own biases.

I don't think I've had a situation where I couldn't find the red post, but I remember something else happened a little while back that I thought was odd. And oddly, I don't remember what it was.

[Renew Deal]

10. The worst is alerts for 10 minute videos from unknown sources.

Am I supposed to watch the entire thing?

[rzemanfl]

11. You posted in mine, so I will post in yours.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214707513

This happened to me once before. I will try to find where and when, it was pretty recent.

[A HERETIC I AM]

12. The software used to give you a link to the thread. That changed a while back

Remember?

You used to get a link to the thread in question but the Admins changed that a couple years ago (at least) and I assume with the logic that you could better address the actual merits of the post if you had less context. Or so it seems to me.

So I don't even bother to try and find the thread, I just look at what the software provides and go from there.

Frankly, I've found that a lot of the alerts I get called to jury on are questions of opinion, and not deliberate misinformation, to wit;

I've regularly served on juries for alerts that are for "peddling right wing conspiracies" (or whatever that category is) and very often, the post in question is simply sharing a news item he/she found interesting.

Putting up a link to a story that someone might find distasteful, or is somewhat less than flattering of a Democratic politician are not grounds for an alert, in my mind. And certainly not grounds for a hide.

I'm for freedom of conscience and expression, so it has to be pretty egregious for me to alert on anything, but it does seem there are way too many here that are a wee quick on that little "Alert abuse" hyperlink.

[FoxNewsSucks]

25. That's how I see it also.

Putting a link to some rightwing source with discussion of why it's being posted doesn't constitute "peddling". We should be able to discuss what the enemy is saying or doing. To me, "peddling" means "promoting".

Same for posting something critical of a Democrat. I don't consider a post to be "bashing" if the poster states a valid policy or action criticism. I have alerted on almost nothing over the years. If I don't like something, I just move on unless it's really over the top.

It sometimes seems that some people are out to take down certain posters, and probably have successfully done so in the past. I've seen things get hidden where another post in the same thread said the same thing and was let stand.

[MoonchildCA]

14. I think I just served on the jury for that same post.

And, it was after I read this post—so very weird.
It was two people with a lot of back and forth negative quips.
I’ve never seen that before. They both deserved the alert.

[Blue_true]

18. I have seen that while serving on a jury. That is why when I see

people doing long reply strings and see one or both getting hot under the collar, I sort of want to break in and say “please calm down”. I have been in a few long reply strings and because of jury service incidents, I am always telling myself not to get upset with the other poster.

[bottomofthehill]

40. But the alert was for poster 3

[Denzil_DC]

49. There have evidently been alerts on more than one post in that exchange.

Possibly a LOT more than one ...

[rzemanfl]

15. The other one was on November 6th.

It generated two threads, mine has the link to the other.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017617607

[herding cats]

24. I was on this one, too.

I also had to back out due not being able to view the post in question.

[Blue_true]

16. I have never had that problem.

Typically the alerted post is highlighted on the first screen. I sometimes have to expand to look at all post leading up to the one alerted on - by doing that in such cases, I get a better sense of how to make a decision.

[gopiscrap]

17. that JUST happened to me also

the thread was so long, I couldn't find the end of it and so backed out of jury duty

[Happyhippychick]

19. Just happened to me too, same post

[mountain grammy]

20. Same here.. I couldn't see the entire thread.

[niyad]

21. Not today, but it happened several months ago. A lot of us had that problem.

[TomSlick]

22. Me too - just now.

May be the same post.

[Hoyt]

23. For what it's worth, as of 30 seconds ago, they still haven't been able

to get enough to complete the jury. I just go it too, and backed out.

I’d bet money, it was alerted on only because sometimes didn’t agree with the post. That seems to happen a lot here.

[HubertHeaver]

27. I just got called to that very thread.

I wanted to vote to "hide" just to get it off the board, but I couldn't get to the bottom. Everybody in the thread deserves the "hide".

[Jim__]

28. Yep. I had to back out of it too.

[Retrograde]

29. I just did

Couldn't find the buttons for evaluating it, so I backed up a page and declined jury service for this round. It seemed to be an argument between two posters that had gone on way past the point where either of them was contributing.

[moonscape]

30. Same here just now. Could not

get the post to come up on the long thread. I’m on an iPad, maybe it would have been visible on my Win 10 laptop?.

[Denzil_DC]

31. Yes, it just happened to me.

I couldn't even see the post I was supposed to adjudicating on in the initial jury decision view, so looked for the thread on GD, found the post (it was in a very long exchange), decided to let it stand, then when I clicked to do so, the post disappeared off the right-hand edge again, so I couldn't complete the process!

In the end, I managed to cancel jury service by using the link in the banner at the top of the thread, otherwise I'd still be stuck in jury limbo.

[Chiyo-chichi]

32. I was also on that jury and also backed out.

It was quite a long string. I saw red the post I was supposed to adjudicate, but the buttons were cut off to the point that I couldn't read them.

[dawg day]

33. Yes-- the thread gets skinnier and skinnier with all the replies

My screen is too small to read them.

[NNadir]

34. I just had the same problem. One can see though that it's really reached a point of...

...silliness. There are at least ten from each of the two people that qualify for an alert probably.

I used to get into that sort of thing, and after a while I realized I was just being stupid. The "ignore" key is your friend.

If I had been able to find the final post, and the "clearly breaks the rule" button, I probably would have used it.

[R B Garr]

41. No offense, but I disagree. I was being attacked and

this thread proves it was for alerts. I alerted on nothing, yet had plenty more to post that proved harassment.

[Denzil_DC]

46. No offence intended here either, but please don't bring all that to this thread.

It could all get heavily recursive if the same happens under this OP!

[wendyb-NC]

35. Same here.

I asked the Administrators. I hope they can shed some light on this.

[k8conant]

36. The same thing happen to me.

[northoftheborder]

37. Yes

[Renew Deal]

38. It's this post

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14707585

[Denzil_DC]

42. No, the one I served on was a different one in the same thread.

I suspect a number of posts in that exchange have been alerted, so there's no need to draw attention to a specific one.

[Renew Deal]

43. That's the one I got.

But you're probably right. There might be multiple.

[Denzil_DC]

44. Also, as I feared, your OP about this issue and post was just hidden.

I suggest you self-delete this post of yours or at least edit out the URL in it. You're pointing to a different post in the same thread as the one I was called to serve on anyway - I suspect a LOT of posts in that thread have been alerted.

[Renew Deal]

45. I'm not worried about it.

#1 I didn't break the rule. I have already sent the appeal.
#2 I think you're right. It might be a bunch of them.

[Denzil_DC]

47. I suspect it was construed as "interfering with forum moderation".

Good luck with your appeal.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

48. Yes, and it has happened before.

KY...........

[EarlG]

50. This appears to be resolved

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