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Dr Eric Ding... Chaos has a price (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 OP
This is the result of Grotesque Orange Pustule. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #1
Why I'm happy that Biden picked a new covid team! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #2
Imagine if the Obama/Biden playbook and team had not been discarded. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #3
Not enough coffee...what playbook???? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #5
There was a playbook and pandemic surveillance office in the WH. Hugin Dec 2020 #7
Oh ok....Yes. I thought you meant REALLY thrown out and no one had a copy :) I also think about Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #11
... Hugin Dec 2020 #16
Interesting... And thanks ! You should start an OP about this! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #19
Discussion and link ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #8
Thanks ! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #10
so per capita the USA is doing better than Italy and the UK and worse than France Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #4
Excellent Point. Just like when they tally ALL covid cases ever. It should be "active cases" Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #6
Raw numbers say USA is #1 in death and grief due to covid-19 Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #9
Except it isn't if other countries have lost a larger proportion of their populations Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #12
So, 300k+ people dead is not more than 180k+? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #13
Proportionally, no, it isn't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #15
Tell it to the families. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #17
yeah, sorry you're incapable of understanding the concept of "per capita" Spider Jerusalem Dec 2020 #18
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #20
Interesting that that the top 3 are countries run by right-wing strongmen. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #14

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,340 posts)
1. This is the result of Grotesque Orange Pustule.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:25 AM
Dec 2020

That's not limited to the thing we voted out. The entire GOP cult worked to kill more U.S. citizens.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
7. There was a playbook and pandemic surveillance office in the WH.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:25 PM
Dec 2020

Which was unceremoniously discarded and disbanded by Trump. Because, Obama. Even though it was W who started the process.

On edit: More here... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/NSTC/towards_epidemic_prediction-federal_efforts_and_opportunities.pdf

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Oh ok....Yes. I thought you meant REALLY thrown out and no one had a copy :) I also think about
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:05 PM
Dec 2020

Susan Rice. Because I heard her interviewed one time and she said she spent an
entire day briefing on pademic - guess who she briefed - Michael Flynn. Who was
fired weeks later. You KNOW he didn't train his successor. Always thought
this did NOT get any play on the news. Also thought it was an excellent slam
on Trump that we Dems didn't use.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
16. ...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:46 PM
Dec 2020

It was this particular issue that elicited my grudging respect for W and the realization he wasn't the complete nincompoop I'd thought he was.

Apparently, near the end of his term he'd read a book about the 1918 Flu pandemic while he was on vacation. He felt so strongly and was alarmed about it. Immediately upon his return to the WH he'd brought in an advisor and asked what could be done to prevent a situation like that from occurring in the future.

One of the items of highest priority he handed off to Obama was the project they'd come up with in the playbook and surveillance office. President Obama agreed and completed the project.

Trump trashed it all.

The bottom line is, if the playbook had been followed what has transpired over the last nine months and over 300,000+ American lives lost would have been largely avoided.

This has hardly been reported in the main stream media and is the primary reason Trump and his Republican enablers should not be allowed to walk away without major repercussions.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. Interesting... And thanks ! You should start an OP about this!
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:39 PM
Dec 2020

You are SO right... No media play on this. God I miss leaders that care.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. so per capita the USA is doing better than Italy and the UK and worse than France
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:45 AM
Dec 2020

raw numbers don't say anything if you don't account for what percentage of the population those numbers represent.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,340 posts)
9. Raw numbers say USA is #1 in death and grief due to covid-19
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:06 PM
Dec 2020

Let's not forget what those numbers are, please.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
15. Proportionally, no, it isn't
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:31 PM
Dec 2020

the USA has 330 million people; the UK has 65 million. 64,500*5=322,500>300,479. There is a reason numbers like this are usually represented as "per 100K population".

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,340 posts)
17. Tell it to the families.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:51 PM
Dec 2020

You said, "raw numbers don't say anything if you don't account for what percentage of the population those numbers represent."

We're done.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
18. yeah, sorry you're incapable of understanding the concept of "per capita"
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

also I am pretty sure that British and Italian and French etc families who've lost someone to covid are just as devastated as American ones (strange but true fact, Americans are not actually the only people on the planet!)

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
14. Interesting that that the top 3 are countries run by right-wing strongmen.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:10 PM
Dec 2020

I would love to see where Russia actually fits in, but we will never see accurate numbers from them. At least not while Putin is around.

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