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demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:46 PM Dec 2020

Stop Praising Tom Cruise for Berating His Crew

Tom Cruise’s rant to underlings on the set of Mission: Impossible 7 about supposed COVID-19 violations received widespread praise on social media, with numerous #resistance figures commending the Hollywood megastar for taking virus precautions seriously.

But The Sun, which published the audio Tuesday of Cruise after he “flew into a rage” upon allegedly spotted a pair of crew members chatting close to each other by a monitor, only released a snippet devoid of context. We have yet to hear from a single crew member about what really sparked the furious dressing-down.

“We are the gold standard,” he screams on the audio. “They’re back there in Hollywood making movies right now because of us. Because they believe in us and what we’re doing. I’m on the phone with every fucking studio at night, insurance companies, producers and they’re looking at us and using us to make their movies. We are creating thousands of jobs, you motherfuckers. I don’t ever want to see it again. Ever!”

Cruise, 58, appears to be painting himself as a film-industry savior, cursing and raving for nearly three minutes at his subordinates, and threatening their jobs.

“Am I clear? Do you understand what I want? Do you understand the responsibility that I have? Because I will deal with your reason, and if you can’t be reasonable and I can’t deal with your logic, you’re fired,” Cruise shrieks. “That’s it. That is it. I trust you guys to be here.”

As someone who’s reported on Cruise for a number of years, the reaction to Cruise’s outburst struck me as strange for several reasons.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stop-praising-tom-cruise-for-berating-his-crew-over-covid
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Stop Praising Tom Cruise for Berating His Crew (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2020 OP
Someone obviously has a complex about himself, eh? SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #1
Here's the video. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #103
Cruise is an arrogant, egotistical a'hole. He's also damned right and I'm glad to see it. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #2
They were wearing masks, according to The Sun article. demmiblue Dec 2020 #6
He's the producer. joshcryer Dec 2020 #16
... demmiblue Dec 2020 #18
... joshcryer Dec 2020 #35
I totally agree with you rusty fender Dec 2020 #14
Thank you. Sometimes biting my tongue to remain fully professional takes the remaining life out of hlthe2b Dec 2020 #15
Thanks for doing what you do. Your restraint is admirable. oioioi Dec 2020 #22
There are more diplomatic ways to say that. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2020 #3
an opinion from someone who hasn't had to face the daily backlash.... hlthe2b Dec 2020 #5
This wasn't in the US. They were likely not trumpers. cwydro Dec 2020 #76
No. I think it is more important that a boss ensure protection of others working with them hlthe2b Dec 2020 #77
Do what I say. Loki Liesmith Dec 2020 #4
He has the right to scream at anyone who does something that endangers themselves, him, others, BusyBeingBest Dec 2020 #7
Exactly. Those who don't get his need to really do some thinking about enabling hlthe2b Dec 2020 #8
agreed Beaverhausen Dec 2020 #12
And that's the moral high ground here... Volaris Dec 2020 #25
No one should "flip out" on a subordinate. cwydro Dec 2020 #29
He's a big shot in a cult built on humiliation Codeine Dec 2020 #41
Not wearing a mask is worse than yelling at someone. BlueStater Dec 2020 #51
They were wearing masks. Codeine Dec 2020 #54
Thank you! cwydro Dec 2020 #68
Yelling is the worst thing to do to avoid spreading germs kcr Dec 2020 #101
He has the right to fire them, but no, he doesn't have the right to "flip out" aka be abusive Maru Kitteh Dec 2020 #31
Having the right to do something qazplm135 Dec 2020 #37
I do appreciate your service--my husband is a retired military officer BusyBeingBest Dec 2020 #39
well "it didn't kill anybody" qazplm135 Dec 2020 #40
COVID loves people who scream and shout. tinrobot Dec 2020 #80
the only reason.... quickesst Dec 2020 #9
I don't care how rude he is. Those defending deadly behavior need to rethink their priorities. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #11
No where in my post.... quickesst Dec 2020 #84
Nowhere in any of my posts have I defended the person I refer to as an egotistical a'hole. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #85
like I said.... quickesst Dec 2020 #89
To say I "defended a child sex abuse organization" is absolute slander. Shame on you. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #90
and by the same token.... quickesst Dec 2020 #92
Once again incivility... hlthe2b Dec 2020 #93
I agree quickesst Dec 2020 #94
... hlthe2b Dec 2020 #95
If you can't come up.... quickesst Dec 2020 #96
My final. As I work throughout this holiday season & see more of my HCW colleagues & community die hlthe2b Dec 2020 #97
I don't know.... quickesst Dec 2020 #98
So, do we know for a fact that these guys are anti-mask? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #10
They were wearing masks. demmiblue Dec 2020 #17
Thanks. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #19
At my local Kroger, sometimes there are two people behind the service desk (always masked).. demmiblue Dec 2020 #28
NO. the poster is not right and is endorsing irresponsible behaavior regardless of what you feel hlthe2b Dec 2020 #50
So then people should be yelled at because they come closer than 6 feet? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #64
I was right, and I am not endorsing their behavior. demmiblue Dec 2020 #67
I think most here see what you are doing. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #69
No, people can see that you are trying to slander a poster here... demmiblue Dec 2020 #70
I have not slandered you. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #71
And I am surprised by yours. n/t demmiblue Dec 2020 #72
My entire life has been dedicated to health care and public health. So nothing should surprise you hlthe2b Dec 2020 #73
There is nothing in my posts that suggest that I advocate for the violation of safety efforts. demmiblue Dec 2020 #74
I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #75
They were not, around others. Not following distancing nor other protocols. Shame on you for hlthe2b Dec 2020 #23
They're in Italy, so they're probably not Trumpers. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #26
If they were wearing their masks and following precautions, liberal_mama Dec 2020 #13
They were not. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #24
The reporting says they were qazplm135 Dec 2020 #38
Google is your friend. Other articles have sited as per post #16, they were only doing so w Cruise hlthe2b Dec 2020 #46
your own link says nothing about not wearing masks qazplm135 Dec 2020 #57
I'm done with those supporting RW attempts to dismantle PH precautions against COVID. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #59
yawn qazplm135 Dec 2020 #65
They were (wearing masks): demmiblue Dec 2020 #30
They were not distancing or following the other rules set forth with other crew members hlthe2b Dec 2020 #47
Fuck Tom Cruise and all Scientologists. Codeine Dec 2020 #20
Fuck those who defend not taking measures to prevent themselves & others re: COVID. I'm no fan hlthe2b Dec 2020 #49
Oh, please. Codeine Dec 2020 #52
I deal every day trying to save the lives of these a'holes. Don't you DARE tell me that being rude hlthe2b Dec 2020 #53
That, as well as a Scientology PR stunt. Yashar Ali has some good commentary on this: demmiblue Dec 2020 #58
That post right there Codeine Dec 2020 #60
No one here is praising him. Just saying he was right to enforce COVID protections. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #62
From watch Leah Remini's show on Scientology boston bean Dec 2020 #21
No, sorry, they deserved it. BarackTheVote Dec 2020 #27
That's why I didn't have a huge problem with it BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #34
So we want cruise to say nothing and applauded that, give me a beachbumbob Dec 2020 #32
Did someone say this was in Italy? Politicalgolfer Dec 2020 #33
They're in England. They started in Italy during the outbreak and had to halt produciton. n/t Liberal In Texas Dec 2020 #36
To begin with, he's a raving lunatic. milestogo Dec 2020 #42
In a cult of raving lunatics Codeine Dec 2020 #56
And then there is Scientology. Whole article is an eye-opener. nt Hekate Dec 2020 #43
Sounds like Tom Cruise is behaving like his leader, David Miscavige Alex4Martinez Dec 2020 #45
Here is a good documentary on Scientology: demmiblue Dec 2020 #63
It is a dangerous cult, & the more I learn about it the worse it looks. nt Hekate Dec 2020 #79
He reminded me of bad teachers I've suffered... hunter Dec 2020 #44
I met my wife during a summer teacher conference! Alex4Martinez Dec 2020 #48
I agreed with him but not with his delivery. I would have a hard time working for someone like that Quixote1818 Dec 2020 #55
He is an entitled rich white dude Bettie Dec 2020 #61
"a reminder to follow procedures would probably have been sufficient." Exactly. n/t demmiblue Dec 2020 #66
It quite obviously was not sufficient BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #87
Fuck that. When you're in production, you're in production. Ellipsis Dec 2020 #78
Oh? He shouldn't treat his crew like human beings? cwydro Dec 2020 #81
I'm sure he is an asshole. But when it's a $200,000,000 budget it's all about being an asshole... Ellipsis Dec 2020 #91
Jesus fucking Christ. Codeine Dec 2020 #82
Nothing you don't see every day. Ellipsis Dec 2020 #88
Exactly BarackTheVote Dec 2020 #99
Lulz! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #83
... William769 Dec 2020 #86
Not a huge fan of Cruise, but he did what he thought he needed to do to keep the wheels on the bus.. Chakaconcarne Dec 2020 #100
I wish I could rec this multiple times kcr Dec 2020 #102

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
2. Cruise is an arrogant, egotistical a'hole. He's also damned right and I'm glad to see it.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:50 PM
Dec 2020

Should he be nicer? Maybe, but damn if being "nice" has done little for me in the context of the assholes who won't wear masks at all, won't wear them correctly, threaten, verbally abuse and even physically shove me--even when I'm the HCW trying to deliver or help them receive medical care. Ask any HCW if they've faced what I have and I'll bet, most have.

So, no. Tom's ok in that respect in my opinion. I've not even begun to unleash my wrath. Tom may well be mild in comparison to what I'm still holding back.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
6. They were wearing masks, according to The Sun article.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:57 PM
Dec 2020

I think the author of the Daily Beast article makes some very good connections between the outburst and Scientology.

It is an interesting read.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
16. He's the producer.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:12 PM
Dec 2020

Of course they were wearing masks around him.

He was berating them for what they were doing when he and other top people weren't around, quite obviously.

They aren't following protocol. As producer it's his job to make sure they follow protocol. He forced the production of Mission Impossible 7 by assuring those places the filming is occurring that they're holding themselves to high standards. You don't get license or permits to film without in the midst of a pandemic without a lot of convincing. They can't fuck it up or the whole production shuts down. That's the point.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
15. Thank you. Sometimes biting my tongue to remain fully professional takes the remaining life out of
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:11 PM
Dec 2020

me. We need help from the public. Some get it. Some don't.

greatauntoftriplets

(179,005 posts)
3. There are more diplomatic ways to say that.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:52 PM
Dec 2020

He should have chosen one of those to make his point.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
5. an opinion from someone who hasn't had to face the daily backlash....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:54 PM
Dec 2020

and hasn't actually lost colleagues as a result.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
76. This wasn't in the US. They were likely not trumpers.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:16 PM
Dec 2020

All reports say they were standing too close while watching a monitor.

Good to know you think it’s ok for a boss to be an utter asshole to subordinates. And very sad.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
77. No. I think it is more important that a boss ensure protection of others working with them
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:18 PM
Dec 2020

That YOU apparently don't see that as the priority above all else is the sad point. If that disturbs your sense of propriety, come back to me when you've lost colleagues trying to save the lives of those who blithely dismiss the health risks to others.

BusyBeingBest

(9,173 posts)
7. He has the right to scream at anyone who does something that endangers themselves, him, others,
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:01 PM
Dec 2020

and the entire project. I don't love the guy, but he has the right to flip out on non-compliant employees who are fucking up.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
8. Exactly. Those who don't get his need to really do some thinking about enabling
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:03 PM
Dec 2020

deadly behavior IMO. If someone pointing this out in a rude manner offends their delicate sensibilities, then SO WHAT?

Beaverhausen

(24,699 posts)
12. agreed
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:05 PM
Dec 2020

I work at a hollywood studio and know many who are working on film sets.

there is an extremely strict safety protocol in place in order for these film and TV shoots to happen.

I've heard you get one warning and the next strike means you are out.

Volaris

(11,704 posts)
25. And that's the moral high ground here...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:20 PM
Dec 2020

As a producer on a set that's trying to output product that's supposed to turn a profit for a corporation, he technically has the right to scream at them IF HE THINKS THEYRE COSTING HIM MONEY, and the Moral High Ground be dammned.

Gonna give his crazy ass a pass on this one, I think.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
29. No one should "flip out" on a subordinate.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:26 PM
Dec 2020

Humiliating employees in front of their peers is the behavior of a bully.

He could have handled that much differently.

He comes off as an unbalanced, entitled prick.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
41. He's a big shot in a cult built on humiliation
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:39 PM
Dec 2020

of subordinates. It’s just what monstrous people like him do, and for some reason he’s applauded here. #bizarroDU

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
51. Not wearing a mask is worse than yelling at someone.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:08 PM
Dec 2020

One could kill another person, the other could not.

I’m not a Cruise fan and haven’t been since his couch jumping days, but I have no problem with him going off on assholes who don’t wear masks. I find it cathartic. I worked at Walmart for several months during the pandemic and I always felt rage whenever I saw some mask-less jerkoff waltz into the store. Anti-maskers are trash and deserve to called out for being stupid, selfish shitheads.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
54. They were wearing masks.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:13 PM
Dec 2020

They slipped up by standing too close while going over something on a computer. That sort of mistake is best handled by a quick word of correction, a reminder like “Guys, six feet.”

Instead this repulsive little shitbeetle starts screaming like a lunatic because it makes him feel powerful when he humiliates people, just like everyone else in his murderous fucking cult.

Nobody should be applauding this shit. Nobody. It’s poor management, poor psychology, and poor people skills. The fact that he’s gaining so much support here is mystifying and disappointing.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
68. Thank you!
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:19 PM
Dec 2020

Amazing how many DUers think it’s ok to scream at employees in this fashion.

The guy sounds off his rocker, seriously.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
101. Yelling is the worst thing to do to avoid spreading germs
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:58 PM
Dec 2020

At least as bad as not wearing a mask, which at least the people he was blasting his germs at were doing.

Maru Kitteh

(31,761 posts)
31. He has the right to fire them, but no, he doesn't have the right to "flip out" aka be abusive
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:30 PM
Dec 2020

Even non-compliant, incompetent, erroneous, lazy and even dishonest employees have a right to work in, and be dismissed from a non-abusive, non-threatening working environment.

Bear in mind I say this as a nurse who has been verbally assaulted more times than I could count and endured multiple serious physical assaults as well.

Do I want to lose my shit when I go to the grocery store? Of COURSE I DO. Instead I make a few calculated, succinct attempts to educate and I write actual physical letters to managers or franchise offices. Sometimes I get little to no response but you know what? Sometimes a change is made for the better. That change then has the opportunity to inspire more change. I think that's the goal.

A ranting, threatening, abusive maniac will never inspire change, and will only inspire the bare minimum of compliance possible while they are being observed, only. Not much benefit from that.


qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
37. Having the right to do something
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:52 PM
Dec 2020

Doesn't make it right.

I was a senior military officer, I followed the standard practice in leadership of praise in public, criticize in private and I raised my voice one time in 20 years.

It may feel good to see him let it out because so many aren't taking it seriously but that doesn't make it good or right.

Plus you don't know exactly what happened. You're assuming he's talking about actual improper behavior.

BusyBeingBest

(9,173 posts)
39. I do appreciate your service--my husband is a retired military officer
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:06 PM
Dec 2020

and he learned and practiced the same thing--praise in public, scold in private. However, he was subject to, or witness to, the occasional table-pounding curse-word filled tirades from his superiors. It was unpleasant, but didn't kill anybody--and most of the time it was for very serious actual or potential screwups that COULD kill somebody or cost millions of dollars. Used VERY occasionally and judiciously, it sure stays with you and makes an impression, when your boss gets mad and raises his or her voice. (But sometimes it's just them being temperamental assholes who are angry that their troops' screwups made them look bad, of course.)

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
40. well "it didn't kill anybody"
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:36 PM
Dec 2020

isn't really a great standard though.

I've never seen one of those curse word filled tirades be any more effective than a simple either public laying out of expectations and consequences, or a private discussion of the same. I've fired people. I have sent people out of the military. In my experience, calm, steady leadership, with clear expectations AND consequences is better than tirades every time.

If Cruise wanted to send a message, then just calmly gather the group, tell them those two violated his standards, and that he had to fire them (after confronting them privately first of course and releasing them beforehand). Standards. Consequences. More effective than the performance he put on.

tinrobot

(12,062 posts)
80. COVID loves people who scream and shout.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:30 PM
Dec 2020

It's a great way to spread the virus.

Was Tom also wearing a mask... while screaming? Hope he was.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
9. the only reason....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:03 PM
Dec 2020

....this arrogant scientology cultist piece of shit is doing this is to protect himself. I guarantee you he could give a flying fuck if the rest of his crew or co-stars lived or died. In my opinion, if anyone has a favorable view of Tom Cruise, it's only because they have not done their due diligence to find out the kind of person he really is.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
11. I don't care how rude he is. Those defending deadly behavior need to rethink their priorities.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:05 PM
Dec 2020

If you fall into that category, so too do you.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
84. No where in my post....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:48 PM
Dec 2020

.... do I defend deadly behavior. Pointing out this person's shortcomings, and his motive for such behavior is far from that. On the other hand, your defense of a member of a cult, and make no mistake about it, Scientology is a cult, that is awash in lawsuits claiming child sex abuse is indeed troubling.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
85. Nowhere in any of my posts have I defended the person I refer to as an egotistical a'hole.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:52 PM
Dec 2020

I do defend protecting employees from those who would irresponsibly put them at risk. It is unfortunate you don't see that as the priority. Unfortunately, people are dying from the irresponsible actions you seem to defend and that includes HCW colleagues of mine. THAT I DO RESENT.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
89. like I said....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:06 PM
Dec 2020

.... pointing out character flaws in a person is not defending bad behavior. Defending a cultist, no matter his motivation, who's organization has multiple child sex abuse allegations and lawsuits ongoing tells a lot more about you than me.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
90. To say I "defended a child sex abuse organization" is absolute slander. Shame on you.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:08 PM
Dec 2020

Talk about breaking civility rules!!! You know FULL WELL I have defended enforcing COVID protection behaviors. SHAME ON YOU for stating I was defending a child sex abuse organization or member!


Here is your exact quote before you edit:

.... pointing out character flaws in a person is not defending bad behavior. Defending a cultist, no matter his motivation, who's organization has multiple child sex abuse allegations and lawsuits ongoing tells a lot more about you than me.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
92. and by the same token....
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 09:53 PM
Dec 2020

.... shame on you for accusing me of defending bad behavior when I have done no such thing. As I said, pointing out character flaws and the motive behind a person's actions is not defending bad behavior.
Let me see if I can put this into a context even you might understand. You have noticed that whenever Trump has a rally, the people on the main floor are not social distancing, nor do many of them wear a mask. That crowd is stationed at least 30 feet or more away from Trump. You will also notice that those people who are sitting directly in back of trump are all wearing masks to a person. So let me ask you, do you think Trump made those people in back of him who are sitting close wear those masks out of his concern for their safety, or for his safety? By your logic, you should be praising Trump's insistence on good behavior for that small group behind him all the while ignoring the health and safety as a larger crowd in front of him. The point being that you are defending a person whose only real concern is for himself, and not for anyone outside of the movie set bubble. I would bet $1000000 that if one of the movie crew were to quit their job and leave the movie set, Tom Cruise's concern for that person would be non-existent. That person was only a concern for Tom Cruise when that person was a threat to him personally.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
96. If you can't come up....
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 08:33 AM
Dec 2020

.... with a cogent response to my last post, just say so. Taking my words out of context and twisting them to fit your narrative is not doing yourself any favors. Employing a lie to prove a lie is the weakest of strategies.
I will ask one more time. Did Donald Trump make those people sitting behind him at his rallies wear a mask out of concern for their safety or for his own while ignoring the safety of the thousands of people in front of him? A simple truthful answer will suffice.
Like I said, my entire argument is based upon motive, and given his background and history it is my firm opinion that Tom Cruise enforced his masking rules not out of concern for the safety of the crew, but purely for his own selfish reason. His personal health, and contrary to your false allegation, this is not condoning bad behavior.
I am sure you will continue to take my words out of context and twist them to fit your narrative. You have given me no reason to believe otherwise, so have at it.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
97. My final. As I work throughout this holiday season & see more of my HCW colleagues & community die
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:08 AM
Dec 2020

it sure as hell will not be Tom Cruise that I curse and blame for it. At least HE is not promoting deadly behavior among those he works with.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
98. I don't know....
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:15 AM
Dec 2020

.... if you are being intellectually dishonest on purpose or if the obvious is just zinging over your head in rapid fire succession. It is either one or the other, and like trying to argue with a trump supporter armed with a plethora of conspiracy theories, it is an exercise in futility.

One thing is clear. You have absolutely no idea how to answer the question I have posed to you twice, and the reason you cannot answer the question is because an honest answer would destroy your argument that is at this time standing on very shaky legs. Dodgeball anyone?

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
10. So, do we know for a fact that these guys are anti-mask?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:04 PM
Dec 2020

I have seen it on the other thread praising crews that "anti-mask Trumpers" must be called out. Is there confirmation that the crew were protesting or deliberately working with no masks.

I mean I have gotten out of my car and almost walked into the store with no mask. I could have been called out as an anti-mask Trumper by someone on the way in without context. I try to put my mask on before I get out of the car now, but sometimes there is a lot going on in my head.

Like you said, what is the context? Had he told them before? Was it an ongoing thing? Or as the article posits, was it Criuse just trying to grandstand?

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
17. They were wearing masks.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:13 PM
Dec 2020

They were standing closer than six feet apart looking at a computer screen.

While keeping distance is important, I don't doubt many employees in many fields find themselves closer than the ideal in order to perform their work functions.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
19. Thanks.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:15 PM
Dec 2020

So then the second premise, Cruise grandstanding, is closer to the facts it seems.

I wish that people would do some research before reacting to things.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
28. At my local Kroger, sometimes there are two people behind the service desk (always masked)..
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:24 PM
Dec 2020

who are not able to stay six feet apart at all times. Can you imagine the manager going off on them like this?

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
50. NO. the poster is not right and is endorsing irresponsible behaavior regardless of what you feel
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:06 PM
Dec 2020

about Cruise. Killing people is less important that being rude, I guess.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/12/15/tom-cruise-goes-off-rant-yell-crew-mission-impossible-crew-members-covid/

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
64. So then people should be yelled at because they come closer than 6 feet?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:46 PM
Dec 2020

No one should get within 6 feet ever or you can yell and threaten, and be an abusive jerk?

Perspective. No one is killing each other. Two people, who were wearing masks, got closer than 6 feet to each other. Cruise had a right to tell them "hey guys, you need to keep your distance from each other. The masks help but aren't enough"

This is not rude. It is ABUSIVE.

The fact that Cruise is a habitual asshole just adds an exclamation point to the situation.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
67. I was right, and I am not endorsing their behavior.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:06 PM
Dec 2020

I gave factual information.

And, btw, that TMZ article is based on The Sun's article.

No one here is saying that it is okay to violate distancing measures.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
69. I think most here see what you are doing.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:20 PM
Dec 2020

and there is nothing "right" (as in correct) about it. Shameful, though. I am sad, though because I always thought better of you and that you had respect for our public health efforts.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
70. No, people can see that you are trying to slander a poster here...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:24 PM
Dec 2020

for providing factual information. Just what am I trying to do? This is so strange, tbh.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
73. My entire life has been dedicated to health care and public health. So nothing should surprise you
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:29 PM
Dec 2020

that I defend the efforts to protect you and others and to fight against those who dismiss such efforts.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
74. There is nothing in my posts that suggest that I advocate for the violation of safety efforts.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:37 PM
Dec 2020

I simply don't understand where you are getting this idea. It is bizarre.

Here: I believe that everyone should mask up, wash their hands and follow social distancing measures. Of course I follow them myself. And, I have canceled all holiday events and only go out when necessary. Oh, and I flipped someone off early during the pandemic for not wearing a mask.

I appreciate your work for individuals/the community.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
23. They were not, around others. Not following distancing nor other protocols. Shame on you for
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:19 PM
Dec 2020

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defending this, whether it is a'hole Cruise calling them out or not

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
26. They're in Italy, so they're probably not Trumpers.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:22 PM
Dec 2020

It's more likely general carelessness. It sucks to have to wear a mask all day, and these guys were probably just being babies about it.

It should also be noted that Cruise is paying for the COVID protocols out of his own pocket, as I understand it. Without them, the probably couldn't continue filming.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
13. If they were wearing their masks and following precautions,
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:05 PM
Dec 2020

Cruise probably shouldn't have been berating them so harshly. But if people kept breaking the rules, he might have just had a meltdown like that hostess at the restaurant who quit because customers kept behaving badly.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
46. Google is your friend. Other articles have sited as per post #16, they were only doing so w Cruise
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:59 PM
Dec 2020

and neither distancing nor masking around others. I really am angry at those defending this garbage. WTF is wrong with some people?

https://www.tmz.com/2020/12/15/tom-cruise-goes-off-rant-yell-crew-mission-impossible-crew-members-covid/

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
57. your own link says nothing about not wearing masks
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:17 PM
Dec 2020

"Tom was on the U.K. set of 'MI 7' when someone recorded his expletive-laced tirade ... sparked by seeing 2 crew members standing within 6 feet of each other around a monitor"

The rule is six feet BUT if you ARE within six feet then you wear a mask. The whole point of mask wearing is for the times when you are within six feet.

So, show me the "Google" that says they weren't wearing masks, which is the claim you made.

No one is "defending" anything. But we don't just take a claim from TMZ at face value, and Tom Cruise has a very long history of histrionics. His outburst was not necessarily valid, and even if what he says happened, happened, it did not require the performance he put on.

You are confusing people not being impressed by the way he handled it and not immediately believing everything alleged must have happened with people defending not wearing masks or social distancing.

You are merging your hatred of Trumpers who reject it, and throwing it on two people who may have been within six feet WHILE being masked.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
59. I'm done with those supporting RW attempts to dismantle PH precautions against COVID.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020

There was no mention of masks and they were closer than six feet. Not to mention they have every right to require stricter guidelines, given they were filming overseas. Perhaps you didn't read it nor listen to the spiel. I've lost two colleagues to people defending irresponsibility as I work to try to ensure others survive. I'm done with those defending this kind of irresponsibility--especially on a Progressive website

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
65. yawn
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:52 PM
Dec 2020

no one is doing that. Wearing a mask within six feet actually isn't "irresponsible." I've never seen a grocery store where everyone could maintain six feet every single moment unless it was like five minutes before closing.

Sure, they could require fifty feet if they wanted to. Doesn't make the response any better. Not liking the way he handled it has nothing to do with "defending irresponsibility." There WAS mention of masks in other articles. The ONLY mention is that two people were within 6 feet while viewing a monitor. You've extrapolated from there.

But clearly you need a moral horse to ride on, so you enjoy it. It's a bit boring to me. And quite annoying to see you spin what folks are saying into the BS that your headline says.

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
30. They were (wearing masks):
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:26 PM
Dec 2020
Cruise, 58, flew into a range after spotting two of the crew standing less than a metre away from each other at a computer screen.

An audio tape captured Cruise shouting: “If I see you do it again, you’re f***ing gone. And if anyone in this crew does it, that’s it — and you too and you too. And you, don’t you ever f***ing do it again.”

Fifty members of staff working on set at Warner Bros. Studios in Leavesden, Herts, were left shocked by the furious tirade.

...

They added: “Everyone was wearing masks. It was purely that these people were standing under a metre away from each other.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/13492291/listen-tom-cruise-covid-rant-mission-impossible/

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
47. They were not distancing or following the other rules set forth with other crew members
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:01 PM
Dec 2020
https://www.tmz.com/2020/12/15/tom-cruise-goes-off-rant-yell-crew-mission-impossible-crew-members-covid/


I don't give a shit about Cruise. I do condemn EVERYONE who advocates AGAINST taking the basic measures need to protect themselves and others against COVID-19. THAT is the issue.
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
20. Fuck Tom Cruise and all Scientologists.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:16 PM
Dec 2020

He’s a power-hungry little (tiny, really) man with a God complex who treats subordinates like shit and provides cover and legitimacy to a global criminal enterprise. He’s worse than scum, masks or no masks.

Nobody should ever praise that evil piece of cult-enabling shit.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
49. Fuck those who defend not taking measures to prevent themselves & others re: COVID. I'm no fan
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:02 PM
Dec 2020

of Cruise or Scientology, but that is soooooooo not the issue.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
52. Oh, please.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:09 PM
Dec 2020

It was an opportunity for that sick, sick fuck to humiliate somebody and cover it up with sanctimony. I don’t care what the issue is, you do not speak to subordinates in that fashion. That’s the mark of a bully, the mark of a tiny little man getting his Napoleon jollies by exerting power.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
53. I deal every day trying to save the lives of these a'holes. Don't you DARE tell me that being rude
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:12 PM
Dec 2020

is more important to guard against than saving lives. Have you lost HCW colleagues? I have and here is the Memorial for 2300 or more others. And yes, I mean every word including my contempt for those who so devalue life that being told to wear a damned mask and socially distance is the hill they defend against all else.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927976

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
58. That, as well as a Scientology PR stunt. Yashar Ali has some good commentary on this:
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:18 PM
Dec 2020
1. Please remember as you're praising the audio of Tom Cruise yelling at crew members who don't follow Covid restrictions that he's the chief enabler of a criminal organization that has destroyed people's lives, bankrupted and separated families, led to people being imprisoned,

2. forced women to have abortions against their will, led people to die after being forced to follow dangerous pseudoscience, led former members to be chased all over the country/world by private investigators...

And those are just the broader issues....Tom Cruise is evil.

3. In the audio people are praising, Tom Cruise goes on about people losing their homes due to COVID. Like another Scientologist, Elisabeth Moss who plays someone controlled by a cult in the Handmaids Tale, Tom Cruise is projecting.

Scientology does that to its members.

4. Tom Cruise was so critical to the survival of Scientology that David Miscavige broke up his marriage to Nicole Kidman because he knew Nicole was driving Tom away from Scientology.

You are praising someone who is critical to a horrifically abusive, criminal organization

5. And for people who are saying "both things can be true" -- no. You are aiding a sophisticated PR campaign by Scientology when you praise someone like Tom Cruise. They recruit people into Scientology by using your praise.

6. There's a reason that those of us who have reported on Scientology for years or have lived through it like @MikeRinder are trying to warn against people praising Tom. We know how Scientology uses this praise to boost its membership ranks and how to keep people locked in.

7. Tom Cruise approved a Scientology plan to torture and imprison his ex-girlfriend. How much do you need to know about the guy?

He promotes an organization which promotes more pseudoscience through laundered sources than most any other.

8. While you're praising Tom Cruise for his fake COVID rant, Scientology is forcing people to disconnect from their psychiatrists & critical medication. People who have severe depression, schizophrenia, etc are suffering under Scientology thanks to Tom Cruise and David Miscavige.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1339000807925039104.html



hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
62. No one here is praising him. Just saying he was right to enforce COVID protections.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:25 PM
Dec 2020

Every post I've seen, including my own, asserts that he is an a'hole. Unbelievable that you can't differentiate.

boston bean

(36,931 posts)
21. From watch Leah Remini's show on Scientology
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:18 PM
Dec 2020

Scientologist think they have done something wrong and brought sickness upon themselves. And they do not see doctors. Especially psychiatrists.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
27. No, sorry, they deserved it.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:22 PM
Dec 2020

As someone who has actually worked on-set, you follow safety protocols. A film set is extremely hazardous at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. If you do something unsafe, expect to be chewed-out. And these guys were doing something that could threaten a shut-down of production, which, on a picture of this scale, would cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a day. And, yeah, those are also days the crew as a whole isn’t getting paid—a crew that’s probably several hundred people. If I were on that set, I’d be grateful to Cruise for speaking up and making an example of those not following the rules and putting everyone on set at risk of life-altering illness.

BannonsLiver

(20,595 posts)
34. That's why I didn't have a huge problem with it
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:02 PM
Dec 2020

He also made it clear one of the reasons he was upset was because he didn’t want people to lose their livelihood because of carelessness.

From my POV there are better ways to handle it but this is in no way like the Christian Bale blowup.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
32. So we want cruise to say nothing and applauded that, give me a
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:32 PM
Dec 2020

break. He said and did the right thing.

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
33. Did someone say this was in Italy?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:35 PM
Dec 2020

....because I would imagine with how horribly Italy was hit that these movie companies have to move heaven and earth to get permits and one misstep reported to authorities and they would shut them down immediately.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
56. In a cult of raving lunatics
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:15 PM
Dec 2020

who beat and humiliate anyone they can dominate. I won’t applaud this shit no matter how many people are getting excited about it.

Alex4Martinez

(3,332 posts)
45. Sounds like Tom Cruise is behaving like his leader, David Miscavige
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:58 PM
Dec 2020

Scientology leader Miscavage, by all accounts, is a screamer and a hitter.

Tom was acting like his cult leader. It's not the right thing to do.

hunter

(40,691 posts)
44. He reminded me of bad teachers I've suffered...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:57 PM
Dec 2020

... and the very worst days of my own experiences as a teacher.

I never went Tom Cruise on a class, but I did go silent a few times, which was maybe more terrifying.

When my Wild West great grandmothers got quiet it meant they were thinking about all the ways they might quietly end you.

My own high school experience was a nightmare. I quit at sixteen.

I graduated from college with a very respectable science degree and English minor and had this idea I could be Welcome Back, Kotter but it didn't work out, except that's how I met my wife. Her students loved her. I was just a crazy science teacher guy.

When my wife was accepted to high power science grad school in another state, yes, I followed her.







Alex4Martinez

(3,332 posts)
48. I met my wife during a summer teacher conference!
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:02 PM
Dec 2020

We learned we had chemistry!

Fortunately, I don't think I ever had to scream at a student any more than to get their attention, "Hey, HEY!".

"Proximity" was always my favorite management technique. Standing behind or right next to people in the middle of their errant behavior gives me a guilty pleasure.

Quixote1818

(31,155 posts)
55. I agreed with him but not with his delivery. I would have a hard time working for someone like that
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:15 PM
Dec 2020

nt

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
61. He is an entitled rich white dude
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:24 PM
Dec 2020

of course he had a hissy fit.

ETA: a reminder to follow procedures would probably have been sufficient.

Ellipsis

(9,454 posts)
78. Fuck that. When you're in production, you're in production.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:20 PM
Dec 2020

His company, his money, his rules. Period.

Scientology plays no role is this.

He loves his work. He does his job.

Every body else employed there there should too, or take a fuckin' walk.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
81. Oh? He shouldn't treat his crew like human beings?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:32 PM
Dec 2020

Here’s a quote from the article about how he handled the pandemic last summer:

“Second, it’s odd to position Cruise as some COVID crusader when in late August, as the pandemic raged across the U.K., he made a very public display of seeing Tenet in a London movie theater—filming himself for a video he posted to his social media accounts—as a way of encouraging his millions of followers to return to the cinema, against the advice of infectious disease experts.”

Rules for thee, but not for me. He’s a fucking asshole.

Ellipsis

(9,454 posts)
91. I'm sure he is an asshole. But when it's a $200,000,000 budget it's all about being an asshole...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:26 PM
Dec 2020

to come in on time and on budget.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
99. Exactly
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:27 AM
Dec 2020

And if I were on his crew, I’d be grateful that he’s taking this seriously on his set, cause that’s my neck and my paycheck on the line, too. In fact, I’d be savoring every minute of those guys getting chewed-out. BTW, the people whom I’ve talked to who have worked with Cruise all say he’s a consummate professional who’s very good to work with; him popping off like this is uncharacteristic on set and indicates that these guys were being pretty flagrant with their rule-breaking.

Chakaconcarne

(2,787 posts)
100. Not a huge fan of Cruise, but he did what he thought he needed to do to keep the wheels on the bus..
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:50 PM
Dec 2020

No one here knows the circumstances or additional context of this and probably shouldn't be judging..

Many of us in the same situation and under the same pressure might do the same thing....

....and I would guess this kind of outbreak happens often in Hollywood..

I think this is just getting attention because he yelled at people who could be presumed to be anti-mask... I bet the RW'ingers are all over this story.

That is my opinion.

kcr

(15,522 posts)
102. I wish I could rec this multiple times
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 03:01 PM
Dec 2020

Fuck cult-addled Tom Cruise for abusing those mask-wearing co-workers and blasting his germs at them.

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