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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm firmly convinced that the orange asshole is a psychopath
And as such, hes at his end game. He has nothing left to try and overturn the election.
He is now at his most dangerous.
Let that sink in
In other words, we aint seen nothin yet
I said 3 years ago it would take a swat team to get him to leave. We may need more than that now: the fire Dept.
Well now we have him saying he wont leave the WH.
Having read extensively over the years about psychopaths and anti-social behavior, Im going to go on record that he will attempt to do something truly extreme to prevent himself from leaving the WH.
And what that is exactly is: he will attempt to burn down the WH or something along those lines.
Hes mentally painted into corner and feels he has no other alternative than to quite literally burn it all down.
Just remember this: you can not rationalize with a psychopath. They arent capable of thinking like normal people. Their one and only mission in life is to protect themselves at all costs and that even means burning everything down and then dying in the flames. Because they will have convinced themselves, at that point, that they won because they werent caught.
We are entering the final stretch before he gets
kicked out of the WH and its going to get really fucking weird
kskiska
(27,048 posts)like Washington and the cherry tree.
pdxflyboy
(678 posts)dutch777
(3,050 posts)I spent time in the military and in military intelligence. (Yes, I know, oxymoron). I could tell you all the bad ways an evil President, enabled by just a few like type whackos in the military, could create Havoc on a scale most people could not even imagine in their worst nightmare. But instead, let me tell you about my core belief and understanding of the great folks I encountered in and working with the military, at all ranks and stations. They are not stupid. They are not robots. They will not just follow ANY order. Even from the CINC. At their core, they hold the safety and peace of the American people most dear. They would give THEIR lives for it. At this point, a desperate Trump, ordering a nuclear strike on anybody that hasn't launched nukes on us, verified three ways from Sunday, the order will be ignored. Even a strike on Iran, again unless they are so stupid as to be highly provocative in these few weeks, will similarly be highly questioned and likely ignored. These last few weeks are incredibly awkward and uncertain with Trump still technically at the helm, but I have faith in the system. At some point, in this complex a world, we have to trust others to do the right thing. Better times are coming...a vaccine! Biden! Spring! Parties not by Zoom and no masks!
DENVERPOPS
(8,847 posts)have been discussing what a Narcissistic Psychopath and serious sadist does when he is finally cornered and in a corner........
The Classic "I'll show you"..........
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)Personality Disorder and I believe his niece who is a psychologist. She says he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and she has certainly had more contact with him than any of us.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Read this if you have any doubts about what the orange asshole is very capable of doing
The dark triad
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
In psychology, the dark triad comprises the personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.[1][2][3][4] They are called "dark" because of their malevolent qualities.[5][1][6][7]
The Dark Triad, three antisocial personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy
Research on the dark triad is used in applied psychology, especially within the fields of law enforcement, clinical psychology, and business management. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress and create severe problems for an organization, especially if they are in leadership positions (for more information, see psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism in the workplace). They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.[8]
All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[9]
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self interest.[11]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[12] and remorselessness.[13]
A factor analysis found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[11] Agreeableness and the dark triad show correlated change over development.[14]
The Roux Comes First
(1,300 posts)But how did you get permission to reprint the yam's curriculum vitae? I thought all this stuff was under wraps.
denbot
(9,901 posts)Damn intellectual property thieves!
Fuck, why focus on the treason, am I right!?
miyazaki
(2,253 posts)Though he could be a born pyschopath.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)He's just throwing shit out there.
I've never felt like this was a possibility. He may threaten it up until the end....or not. But he's not going to allow himself to be embarrassed by having to be forcibly removed.
He'll Huff and he'll Puff, and yell FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD, but he'll leave the White House under his own power.
Arne
(2,097 posts)Is that the new Burger King meal?
brush
(53,922 posts)despite all evidence to the contrary, and even if some think/say it's to keep grifting supporters for donations, all that's still effin' crazy.
If you lose, and he lost spectacularly badly, the normal thing to do is accept it, concede gracefully, even non-gracefully, help with the transition, and step the fuck aside.
He's insane. We saw it for weeks in the televised virus task force appearances, and the countless, unmasked rallies. And no mention of sympathy ever of the tens of thousands dead, even to this day.
Of course he's crazy.
Initech
(100,107 posts)I knew that things were going to get weird, I've been following the actions of the Fox cult for years. But I had no idea what we were in for until the election. It's not over until January 20th. And I am really scared what Trump and his goons are capable of until then.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)And yes, potentially very dangerous. However, he's also a pussy. (My apologies to kitty cats and vaginas everywhere.) He can't even fire someone like a man - he either has someone else do his dirty work or he tweets it.
I believe you are correct that his instinct is to burn it all down but I think it's more metaphorical. He won't do anything that would put himself in harm's way. He won't hesitate to put any and every other person there, though. Start a war on his way out the door? If he could, yes. Destroy the Republican party for not showing proper fealty? In a heartbeat.
Irish_Dem
(47,486 posts)But he is a coward, so who knows.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Psychopaths lack empathy and remorse not rationality.
He's going to leave the Whitehouse on his own because he will be convinced it is in his own best interest to do so.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)What you consider being them being rational, is nothing more than the psychopath shining you on. They give less than zero fucks if they dont get what they want from someone.
They will tell you that you are completely right just to convince you that they are on the same page as you. Then promptly do something completely different because to them, your view is not their view. And they are always right.
You can not think of a psychopath as someone that thinks like normal people. Its very primal in many ways and everything they do feeds the super ego.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)A high percentage of successful CEOs and politicians are psychopathic. They are successful because they are ruthlessly (lacking any empathy or remorse) rational. What you've described is someone that lies freely to get what they want -again that is due to their lack of empathy and remorse. They rationally conclude they can get what they want from you if they lie to you and lacking empathy and remorse they won't feel bad about doing so.
Also you are ignoring you own argument - if you believe Trump is a psychopath and you believe that "they give less than zero fucks if they dont get what they want from someone" how can you claim he's "painted himself into a corner"? He wouldn't care what anyone thinks.
Anyway - Trump is leaving, on his own, from an unburnt Whitehouse and will be spending the subsequent time complaining how he was cheated in a stolen election.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,328 posts)not consistently detached from reality. They may have strong delusions of grandeur, but comprehend the world at least enough to survive in it - and over time make adjustments to compensating for their blind spots.
Trump is highly transactional - that's it - what $$$ is it for me, sooner rather than later. He is looking for a months, a year's angles after leaving. That does not involve burning down the White House or starting a war. Bad for the hotels and golf club business.
Cha
(297,774 posts)and over again. I need No convincing.
denbot
(9,901 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)bdamomma
(63,928 posts)He is a threat to himself and others, many others he has killed 300,000 +, he needs to be taken away.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Their needs to be a security detail specifically to protect the WH and anyone near him from being harmed by him.
And that detail needs to be put in the WH the last week before hes kicked out
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)soldierant
(6,937 posts)bdamomma
(63,928 posts)posted a video (in that forum) from Dr. Bandy Lee, Psychologist about this very thing.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)Think hitler in his bunker.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I hope.
LuvLoogie
(7,040 posts)I just don't see any municipalities providing the security for another political rally that he initiates. The rally for the special election in Georgia was probably the last.
I don't think he'll blow any of that $200 million on rallies. He's gonna bunker down in Mar a Go-go and fail to show up for any NY depositions.
Florida will not arrest and extradite him to NY.
They'll have to come at him with new Fed charges. Resign and pardon by Pence buys him time. He'll do that before burning it down.
The only other alternative is a military coup, when he tries to burn it down. Pence won't agree to Article 25
We are in a holding pattern until the Georgia results. If the GOP holds, Pence might invoke 25. Because trump for sure won't leave.
If GOP does not hold the Senate, then it's either resign and pardon or a military coup when he tries to invoke martial law
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Solly Mack
(90,789 posts)Which would involve behavior people view in terms of being a psychopath/sociopath. ASPD - Being sadistic, wanting to dominate and control. Cruelty. A warped conscience, as well as a complete lack of empathy for the feelings/well being of others.
A more aggressive personality disorder than simply having a more annoying than dangerous narcissistic personality.
I don't know - know, of course. Only speculating.
But from observing Trump's behavior and words, and from what I've read - Malignant Narcissist is what best describes him to me.
Which, like I said, does include behavior that would get them labeled a psychopath/sociopath.
But, like I said also, I don't know with any certainty.
Just what I tend to agree with...
I do think Trump is at his most volatile right now. I also think he does have a sense of self-preservation, so...
Which isn't to say he won't cause further harm to survive in a way that allows him to shape the narrative of his actions in a way that causes him to feel better. Reality, actual reality, isn't necessary for him to achieve this - he needs to accept it as sufficient, and for his followers to believe it. Which they will.
But, again...I don't know.
Warpy
(111,367 posts)but I'd definitely keep him in the former group.
Sociopaths and psychopaths tend to operate under the radar. He's got to be the center of attention at all times, watch his body language when the spotlight is elsewhere. Either he looks like somebody let the air out of him or he dances around and pinwheels his arms, anything to get some attention, depending on the situation.
He's just as dangerous as a sociopath or psychopath, maybe more so. He is not going to respond well to being out of power. My guess says he's going to spend his time and his offsprings' inheritance trying to get back at everybody he thinks has deprived him of his god given spotlight and position as king of the world.
Solly Mack
(90,789 posts)That is one of the reasons I think MN too.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)Christmas break.
JohnnyRingo
(18,657 posts)The movies would have handled this before it got out of control. Just before.
Tiger8
(432 posts)It will be a spectacle....
- Millions of joyous people jeering "The Loser" live and on social media with chants, signs, posts, etc.
- Trump diaper baby flying overhead.
- Meeting and congratulating Joe Biden, Exchanging pleasantries with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden and Kamala Harris.
- Reporters, gloating and barely holding back smirks as he walks past them for the last time, as they shout out the questions, "Hey Donnie, what does it feel like to be a LOSER?"
Ain't going to happen....
Im with the crowd that thinks hell leave for the holidays and never go back.
Hes not going to be seen leaving the WH for the last time to make way for his replacement. Under any circumstances.
I just dont see that happening.
Silver Gaia
(4,546 posts)He will either just not return from Mar-a-lago sometime within the next month or he will quietly skip the country from there. I just can't see him allowing even the possibility of being humiliated like that... unless, of course, he has succeeded in gaslighting himself into believing he can get away with it. In that case, who knows...?
Tiger8
(432 posts)They say that Trump is unpredictable, but that's because he's easy to influence.
Hopefully, Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh won't have access to Trump to convince him to declare martial law or some other wild, dangerous plot.
Tiger8
(432 posts)I don't see him giving his enemies any satisfaction.
And Trump sees everybody as an enemy, unless they financially support him and praise him in some way.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,328 posts)The one thing that consistent with this guy is the grift for money. Before the presidency, during the presidency - and he will be looking for deals after the presidency. The dictators he admires have no constraints in handing out the dosh, but the last thing they want is a big dent in the world economy.
Wars ain't good for golf courses and hotels either. Contraindicated.
summer_in_TX
(2,762 posts)type is how a psychologist friend of mine described him. She said psychopathy and sociopathy are highly related as well.
The malignancy will want revenge. I suspect that he won't do anything that would prevent him from exacting revenge upon his many enemies.
Of course, it's a guess, but I don't see him offing himself or burning down the White House. He's highly motivated to survive so he can pay them all back, and doesn't really believe he can't beat the rap (after all, he always has before).
herding cats
(19,568 posts)He's fighting tooth and nail to salvage his brand right now. We may know what his long term success rate will be there, but I don't believe he does. His narcissism makes him only believe those who prop him up. Of which he still has a plethora of hangers on who are more than willing to spend their days telling him he's right, about everything. No matter how wrong he is about anything. They'll never stand up to him, that is until long after they're in a location, and situation, they think is secured from him.
He's a low rent bully, and a narcissist. Probably also a psychopath on some levels. But, he loves himself way too much to ever damage himself. His adoring entourage will feed his ego enough to make sure that never happens. He's setting himself up for a martyrdom I'm guessing.