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JohnnyRingo

(20,918 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 09:42 PM Dec 2020

12/17/92 GHW Bush signs NAFTA

In one of the last acts of his presidency, George HW Bush signed NAFTA after a year and a half of negotiations with Canada's Brian Mulroney and Carlos DeGortari of Mexico. It was the crowning achievement of a process that began in 1991.


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Republicans have bashed democrats for years for the lopsided trade agreement that they themselves fought so hard for. Even in 2016, Trump connected Hillary with the pact to associate democrats with outsourcing and job loss. People should ask: "Does it sound like something pro-union democrats would come up with?". This is how they rewrite history.

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Bill Clinton did eventually sign it after changes to health and human rights issues and not allowing Mexican truck drivers free travel in the US. At the time, Trent Lott complained that Clinton took all the teeth out of a great trade agreement.

I. NAFTA Is Signed into Law

On December 17, 1992, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and U. S. President George Bush signed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), marking the end of a process that began on February 5, 1991, when the three leaders announced they would negotiate the trade accord. Following approval by the legislatures in each of the three countries, NAFTA entered into force January 1, 1994. Its implementation created a free-trade area in North America that was the largest of its kind in the world, with a combined 1994 gross domestic product (GDP) of $7.7 trillion and 368 million consumers. The objectives of the trade agreement, as detailed more specifically through its principles and rules, are to
eliminate barriers to trade in, and facilitate the cross-border movement of, goods and services between the territories of the three involved parties.

Link:
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=2582


As initially conceived and negotiated, NAFTA included no provisions for labor rights. In 1991, President George Bush told the United States Congress:

Mexico's labor standards are comparable to those in the United States, Europe and other industrialized countries. The Mexican Constitution of 1917, as implemented through various pieces of legislation, provides a comprehensive set of rights and standards for workers in all sectors of Mexico. What have been lacking are budgetary resources to permit effective enforcement of the constitution and legislative measures.35

As Bush pointed out, Mexican law protects a broad array of labor rights. In practice, however, these are not enforced and are routinely flouted by employers in Mexico. Similarly, as a recent Human Rights Watch report shows, problems of weak enforcement of labor law protections for workers' rights are also evident in the United States.36

According to the Bush Administration, the trade agreement would itself generate the economic resources necessary to enable the Mexican government to overcome the technical problem of funding enforcement of the country's labor laws. Yet, in 1991 politics in the United States forced the labor rights issue to the top of the debate on trade. The Bush Administration needed a renewal of fast-track negotiating authority to move forward with the NAFTA trade talks. Such authority would enable the president to negotiate a trade accord that would be submitted to Congress for a straight yes-or-no vote, thereby avoiding a situation in which the president would be required to renegotiate with trading partners those parts of an agreement that Congress wished to change.

Senators and representatives in the U.S. Congress took the opportunity provided by the fast track debate to raise concern about the impact on the United States of inadequate labor standards in Mexico.37 In response, the administration assured them that any trade agreement with Mexico would include "new initiatives to expand U.S.-Mexico labor cooperation," including labor standards.38 Although it was initially unclear what such initiatives would comprise, the Bush Administration subsequently proposed to establish a commission to discuss labor issues arising between Mexico and the United States.39

President Bush signed NAFTA in December 1992, but sending it to the Senate for ratification would be up to the next president. Facing stiff questions from labor unions-a core Democratic Party constituency-candidate Bill Clinton declared that he would support NAFTA if it included side agreements on labor rights and the environment.

In a much-cited speech in 1992, just before the presidential election, Clinton stated that NAFTA, as negotiated, did "nothing to reaffirm our right to insist that the Mexicans follow their own labor standards, now frequently violated." After Clinton's speech, President Carlos Salinas of Mexico expressed his willingness to address concerns beyond the specific trade issues dealt with in the main accord.

Link:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/nafta/nafta0401-04.htm




April 17 2001

Bush Wants to Expand NAFTA:
In the guise of free trade with Latin and South America, President Bush is preparing to ship more American jobs south of the border in the near future.

Bush is traveling to Quebec this week to promote a plan to create a Western Hemisphere free-trade zone, as well as scheduling meetings earlier with Chile's president, Ricardo Lagos, and with Argentina President Fernando De la Rua on the same subject.

Such a zone would expand NAFTA to include Latin and South America. If Bush has his way, American workers, already reeling from jobs lost to NAFTA, will see more factories close their doors and move south for cheaper labor and to escape the U.S.'s tougher labor laws.

"American workers don't mind competing when the competition is fair," President Ed Hill said, "But the competition must meet the basic standards of worker rights, including freedom of association and the right to bargain."


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12/17/92 GHW Bush signs NAFTA (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 OP
Much overlooked facts. samplegirl Dec 2020 #1
I was certainly worried at the time captain queeg Dec 2020 #2
But Democrats got 100% of the blame for NAFTA. GHWB negotiated NAFTA and Clinton doc03 Dec 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #5
Yes! I still regularly see claims that NAFTA is a neoliberal Clinton thing as if it was his idea. betsuni Dec 2020 #12
It is absurd how people talk about Hillary as if she is nothing more than an extension of Bill. StevieM Dec 2020 #18
Yes, there was no Hillary Clinton administration. It's ridiculous. betsuni Dec 2020 #19
I had NO idea DonaldsRump Dec 2020 #4
I used to keep the voting tally in my wallet to show Republicans. The overwhelming majority of doc03 Dec 2020 #6
Yes. It was truly bi-partisan. The only one against it was Ross Perot. Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #7
Ross Perot ran against but didn't have anything to do with voting on it. Look at the doc03 Dec 2020 #8
I was just saying that regardless of who won in 1992, NAFTA was going to be passed Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #9
Well Ross Perot wouldn't have signed it. I supported Ross Perot until he picked doc03 Dec 2020 #11
Ross Perot has zero chances of winning. Stockdale was an American hero and philosopher Buckeyeblue Dec 2020 #14
If he didn't drop out he would have done better Polybius Dec 2020 #16
The biggest yes vote was Bill Clinton. former9thward Dec 2020 #10
True but the majority of Democrats in the House and the Senate were against it. nt doc03 Dec 2020 #13
1992 Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell gets no pass from me Polybius Dec 2020 #17
It wouldn't have mattered Polybius Dec 2020 #15
Trust me. In 20 years republicans will be talking about JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #21
Kick dalton99a Dec 2020 #20

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
2. I was certainly worried at the time
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 09:48 PM
Dec 2020

Not that I really understood it, but it was pretty obviously opening the door for companies to move production

doc03

(39,109 posts)
3. But Democrats got 100% of the blame for NAFTA. GHWB negotiated NAFTA and Clinton
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 09:59 PM
Dec 2020

made some improvements but Democrats have been beat over the head with it for over 25 years. It lost
us the rust belt states.

Response to doc03 (Reply #3)

betsuni

(29,142 posts)
12. Yes! I still regularly see claims that NAFTA is a neoliberal Clinton thing as if it was his idea.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:18 PM
Dec 2020

Just today I saw an elected official (not Republican) calling Joe Biden a neoliberal. Politicians (not Republican) said things like "The people of Detroit know the real cost of Hillary Clinton's trade policies" when of course decline of manufacturing in the U.S. began long before NAFTA.

It's disgusting that trade policies are used to suppress support for Democrats.

StevieM

(10,578 posts)
18. It is absurd how people talk about Hillary as if she is nothing more than an extension of Bill.
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 12:01 AM
Dec 2020

He had his career and she had hers. If you have a problem with his trade policies, take it up with him.

betsuni

(29,142 posts)
19. Yes, there was no Hillary Clinton administration. It's ridiculous.
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 12:08 AM
Dec 2020

When I see things like: "Or Senator Clinton might want to apologize to the millions of workers in this country who lost their jobs because of the disastrous trade agreements she supported."

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
4. I had NO idea
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:10 PM
Dec 2020

Thank you so much for posting. So many of my friends who are Trumpists always cite NAFTA as the reason that their parent(s) lost jobs and then they blame the Ds. This is an excellent fact to throw back at them.

doc03

(39,109 posts)
6. I used to keep the voting tally in my wallet to show Republicans. The overwhelming majority of
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:21 PM
Dec 2020

votes for NAFTA came from Republicans and Clinton was able to round up a few Democrats to get it passed.



Here it is:

https://www.citizen.org/article/final-house-vote-on-nafta/



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/s395

Buckeyeblue

(6,382 posts)
7. Yes. It was truly bi-partisan. The only one against it was Ross Perot.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:38 PM
Dec 2020

Perot, ironically enough, was right about the number of jobs that moved to Mexico. But those jobs would have gone to Mexico with or without NAFTA. That's how cheap it was to manufacture in Mexico.

doc03

(39,109 posts)
8. Ross Perot ran against but didn't have anything to do with voting on it. Look at the
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:53 PM
Dec 2020

links in post #6 the Democrats had more no votes than yes votes in both the House and Senate. There were many more against it than Ross Perot.


Democrats
House 156 no/102 yes
Senate 28 no/27 yes


Republicans
House 43 no/ 132 yes
Senate 10 no/34 yes




doc03

(39,109 posts)
11. Well Ross Perot wouldn't have signed it. I supported Ross Perot until he picked
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:17 PM
Dec 2020

"Who am I, why am I here" Stockdale for VP.

Buckeyeblue

(6,382 posts)
14. Ross Perot has zero chances of winning. Stockdale was an American hero and philosopher
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:22 PM
Dec 2020

But he had no business being the VP candidate.

Polybius

(21,969 posts)
16. If he didn't drop out he would have done better
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:43 PM
Dec 2020

Not saying he would have won, but maybe he could have came in second.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
10. The biggest yes vote was Bill Clinton.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:12 PM
Dec 2020

He badgered Democrats in Congress to support it. He owns it as much as Bush I does.

Polybius

(21,969 posts)
17. 1992 Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell gets no pass from me
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:46 PM
Dec 2020

If he was truly against it and knew it would pass, then he should have not brought it up for a vote a la Mitch.

Edit: Wow, he actually voted for it. I just read the above link, wow just wow. Can't blame only Republicans when our leadership voted yes and Clinton pushed them.

Second edit: Bare majority in the Senate. 27 Dems voted yes in the Senate, while 28 voted no.

Polybius

(21,969 posts)
15. It wouldn't have mattered
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:41 PM
Dec 2020

Bill Clinton was for NAFTA big-time too. I remember 1992 and the debates. Ross Perot hammered them both for this.

JohnnyRingo

(20,918 posts)
21. Trust me. In 20 years republicans will be talking about
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 02:16 AM
Dec 2020

"the Obama recession". The banks failed, car companies had to be bailed out, and the housing market crashed because of the democrats and their ham fisted regulations. You & I will know better, but the guy at the end of the bar will remember Trump turning it all around for us.

The point is, even though NAFTA was sitting on the Resolute Desk before Clinton even took the oath, republicans have convinced the country that democrats sold the farm while they protested for America first. Just ask any guy at the end of the bar.

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