Bernie Sanders Says Democrats to Blame for 73 Million Trump Voters,

[comradebillyboy]

Bernie Sanders Says Democrats to Blame for 73 Million Trump Voters, ‘We’ve Got to Reach Out To Those People’

Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders told SiriusXM host Dean Obeidallah that the 73 million votes cast for President Donald Trump are “a reflection of the Democratic Party,” and that Democrats have “got to reach out to those people.”
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But then Sanders pivoted to critiquing Democrats for not doing unspecified things that Trump does, and demanded they reach out to the 3 million voters who propelled Trump to a 7 million-vote (and counting) loss to President-elect Joe Biden:

It goes beyond Trump. I mean, we have got to ask ourselves why 70, whatever the number, 73 million I think, voted for him, and we’ve got to reach out to those people.
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I think that there is, and I think that to some degree, Dean, I’m sure a lot of my Democratic colleagues do not agree with me, but this is a reflection of the Democratic Party because I think if you talk to many of those people, working class people who voted for Trump, they’ll say ‘Look, of course we know he’s a liar, we know he’s full of shit, but at least he does this, he does that,’ something the Democrats don’t do.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-bernie-sanders-says-democrats-to-blame-for-73-million-trump-voters-weve-got-to-reach-out-to-those-people/

Sanders has a long history of obsessing about “white working-class voters,” and while he didn’t specify white voters here, Trump’s voters were overwhelmingly white, and Joe Biden won voters making less than $100,000 a year by double digits.

[AmericanCanuck]

1. This is akin to a tennis player eliminated in the first round

of a grand slam giving serving and backhand tips to the winner.

[empedocles]

21. That would be, bs

[Historic NY]

2. Did he try to reach them?

[murielm99]

3. It is possible to reach out to some of them.

A group I belong to is attempting to reach rural voters, agricultural workers and farmers in particular. Our first step is to educate ourselves on agricultural issues.

[leftyladyfrommo]

6. I think you could reach rural people by addressing

their issues.

I always thought if someone really nice and really with people would visit the rural churches and just sit down and listen and engage and then not just walk away and forget them but stay in contact . Keep them engaged.

Farmers are not like white supremacists.

[murielm99]

10. I have been to many of the rural churches.

We farm. We have lived in this community for forty-two years. We have friends here, and we raised our family here. We get along well with our conservative neighbors and have worked on community issues together.

People know we are Democratic activists. We get along anyway. That is how rural communities work.

That is why I am leading this initiative. Being educated about issues and finding common ground is the first step.

[brer cat]

94. Good for you, muriel.

[comradebillyboy]

19. Best wishes, I hope you achieve great success...

[TwilightZone]

4. "at least he does this, he does that"

Trump doesn't do shit. I'm not sure how Bernie - or anyone, for that matter - can argue otherwise. He hasn't done shit for white working-class voters. He hasn't done shit for anyone outside of his circle.

The claim to the contrary got tiresome four years ago. Now, it just looks ridiculous.

[NoMoreRepugs]

11. I agree TZ - just WTF is Bernie talking about with his

“This and that” comment??? Bernie seems to be having a hard time letting go.

[pandr32]

41. Agreed!

[Hortensis]

43. He's a basic type, hardwired to not be able

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to understand, accept and respect the large democratic mainstream he can never overcome, andfrom that comes a lifetime of opposition and hostility. So political psychologists say about zealots.

He’s hardly alone in that; he’ll never accept the irrationality of his outlook because he knows it’s essentially true, and even though he briefly alters his message for a while he’ll always come back to this.

Some people hear the tremendous conviction in his voice and are convinced it means he knows great truths. In reality it means his very rigid views are clear and simple to him. The only right way is his way. He’s currently taking some politically more palatable stances than socialism, but he doesn’t really believe in alternatives or compromises with those who think there are. He tries to talk simply and patiently, but you hear lifetime of frustration in his voice with a world that just cannot see.

[Blasphemer]

57. Trump fans the flames of racism and xenophobia. That's it. That's all.

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Bernie is showing his true colors once again. His vision includes moving the Democratic party away from being the party of tolerance. He's perfectly happy to throw PoC under the bus.

[JI7]

77. But THAT is the main reason they like Trump .

[uponit7771]

133. +1, the sense of entitlement is powerful with some

[betsuni]

74. +1

[Cha]

93. Yeah trump is a FUCKING TREASONOUS

Homicidal SOCIOPATHIC Maniac So he hasn't done SHIT.

[smirkymonkey]

134. +1000

Seriously. Does Bernie really believe that the republicans are doing ANYTHING for the white, working class other than pandering to their racism, hatred and religious bigotry?

[Dream Girl]

5. Is this for real? Looks like satire.

[still_one]

7. Who won the Democratic nomination, and the Presidency again?

[Thomas Hurt]

8. The biggest motivator for the increase in voters in this election was Trump himself.

He is such a massive a-hole that he polarized and motivated voters.

[empedocles]

22. Seems to be oft overlooked point - trump the negative motivator

[Bettie]

113. Yes, that is true people who never vote

crawled out from under their rocks to vote for him because he is so hateful and horrible. They adore him for being what he is.

[Squinch]

9. If you're going to post something like this, it should have a link.

[comradebillyboy]

12. Right you are. I'll fix it. Thanks

[Squinch]

13. .

[North Shore Chicago]

14. Bernie,

Bull and shit.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. In the entire history of the US, there have only been 3 elections where the winner got as much as...

60% of the popular vote. (And one was, blecch, Nixon) Most of the time the electorate was pretty evenly split.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-States-Presidential-Election-Results-1788863

We have always been divided as a nation, and we have always survived close votes. Hopefully, we'll survive this one, too, even though Rump and his cohorts are doing whatever they can to destroy the nation.

I wonder what Bernie would have said about the Populist and Progressive parties ruining their chances. Has he heard of William Jennings Bryan and his quest?

[LuvNewcastle]

26. I don't think Bernie knows much, outside of the workings of the Senate.

I don't think he knows a lot about history, except for the part he's lived through. He's spent his whole life simply trying to organize people politically, with the hazy goal of a Democratic Socialist state. His speeches aren't filled with historical references, if they were none of these people would listen to him. He's pretty good at the organizing part, but he isn't a learned man.

[PatSeg]

48. I see Bernie more as an activist

who happened to pursue elected office. He doesn't always have great political instincts, but he has been effective spokesperson for his activism in the past. His brand of activism just doesn't necessarily play well on the political stage. I used to really like his message years ago, but now it is starting to sound tired and redundant.

Sometimes, it feels like he is stuck in the past somewhere.

[LuvNewcastle]

68. I can definitely relate to that.

I really wanted him to.go all the way at one time, but now I wonder if that would have split the Democratic Party like the Trumpers have split the Republicans. Probably so, and then we would have a RW lunatic coming along to 'heal the wounds' and then we would really be fucked. I suppose it had to happen like it did. It always seems to.

[PatSeg]

69. Oh what a scary thought,

but I think you could be right. I've seen good friends extremely divided over Sanders' candidacy and it got rather contentious for awhile. Fortunately, the Sanders' passionate supporters happen to love Biden even more, so amends were made. The 2016 primary was quite unlike anything I can recall, never want to see another primary like it again.

I had always seen Sanders more as the person who could help pull the party more to the left (which he did), but I honestly never could envision him as President. We all have a part to play and I didn't see President as his part.

[JI7]

79. I don't think he was much of an activist either .

[betsuni]

87. But ... but ... but, he got arrested in college that one time for protesting.

[Cha]

95. I know..

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[JI7]

75. He doesn't appear to know much about the workings of the Senate either

If you look at his record and the things he does and says.

[Blasphemer]

56. Exactly this. It's fantasy to think that Democrats can "do" something to win in landslides

Unless that thing they want Democrats to "do" is embrace intolerance, then our elections will reflect the divisions in the country.

[FakeNoose]

16. We need to win back the labor unions to voting blue

As for the rural and ultra-religious voters, they seem to be a lost cause. I've always thought the American labor unions had more in common with us than with the RWNJs, but perhaps they were stumbling over their racism. Hopefully the last 4 years with Chump has opened their eyes a little.

Yes Bernie Sanders, we do need to reach out to these people. Why haven't you joined our Party?

[JI7]

81. They don't have much in common if their RAcism is what drives them to vote the way they do . Unions

have always had a history of racism .

Another example is recently when some farmers were trying to take on the Trump administration for the shit he was doing which was hurting Farmers. But these farmers could not get support from others. Well, these farmers who wanted to take on Trump were black. Could that have anything to do with it ?

Racism is THE main issue and interest for many people.

[Squinch]

17. I think about 10 million of those 73 million were voters who were successfully brainwashed

to believe that Democrats will turn the USA into a socialist state. The fault for that is partly due to undisciplined messaging, and the fault for THAT is partly due to BS and his followers.

The other 63 million are just jackasses.

[TwilightZone]

24. I think it's higher than that.

Right-wing media is so pervasive that I think a majority of GOP voters would likely fit under that umbrella, because it's their only source of information. Most may not believe the craziest of the GOP's notions, but they buy into the generalized nonsense they've been fed. For one to believe the current right-wing spin, one must necessarily detach themselves from reality.

[Squinch]

35. You are probably right.

[Gothmog]

18. The Lincoln Project and other Never trumpers did a good job

The Lincoln Project was very successful in flipping key votes to Biden

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

31. Yes! This is what has them nervous. They thought

they would be some big election story, but Lincoln Project and never Trumpers stole their thunder.

[JI7]

76. They wanted another I told you so like they did with 2016 while never mentioning the Russian attack

on that election.

[Cha]

98. Rt.. TY for that! How many did BS Flip?

[Dem4Life1102]

20. Vermont is almost 93% white

Much higher than the whole country which is about 60% white. So Sanders obsesses about the white working class.

[empedocles]

23. Also, BS not much a draw to black voters

[Budi]

25. Sure?. We reached over 81 million. Something Bernie couldn't do.

Again, blaming everything for Trump's rise except the obvious racism of the people who voted for him.

[George II]

64. How soon before he blames the fact that he wasn't the nominee....

....on the 26 million Democrats who didn't vote for him?

[Budi]

70. 😄 yeeeeuuup

Smdh

[Cha]

99. Good point.. how many trump voters

did he flip?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Goth

[Budi]

110. K & R

🎄☃️ Cha

[Cha]

119. ..

[gulliver]

27. Biden's already doing it.

Reaching out is extremely ineffective when your not in power. You reach out your hand, metaphorically, and it looks like you're asking for something, not offering something. At best it looks like you're asking them to change sides. They won't do that, even for good reasons.

[Cha]

100. Good point.. now Biden is coming from

a place of strength.

[R B Garr]

28. LOL. Biden was criticized for reaching out to Republicans, but

Bernie is working with a Republican now.

Bernie couldn’t even get Democrats to vote for him...hardly someone to be giving advice.

The primaries are over, yet this unmistakeable return by many to these primary type talking points just shows that Biden’s decisive win has them insecure of their influence....

[betsuni]

83. Yes, Biden was criticized as being naive for reaching out to Republicans.

[Cha]

101. Mostly certainly does.. you

nailed that.

[doc03]

29. I am a retired union steelworker, I can understand why

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some of us voted for Trump. The USW opposed NAFTA
for years and tried to get tariffs on illegally dumped steel.
He did do away with NAFTA and increased tariffs which
Democrats and Republicans talked about and never did anything. That was one thing I could agree with him on. If someone could have
took his damn phone from him and he acted half sane I could have voted for him.

[comradebillyboy]

38. Now that is an understandable perspective...

[shrike3]

80. Except that tariffs didn't quite work as planned.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-steel-tariffs-raised-prices-shriveled-demand-led-job-losses-n1242695

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-29/steel-industry-faces-a-bleaker-future-than-when-trump-moved-to-rescue-it

I remember a lot of talk about tariffs in the 70s and early 80s. Maybe they were meant to work in that kind of world, I don't know.

[doc03]

108. Yes the Union lobbied against NAFTA and wanted tariffs on illegally dumped steel for

decades. "W" promised he would stop the steel dumping and did put tariffs on then immediately started giving waivers on
everything until they were useless. In October 2008 the great recession hit. I will never forget the Union had a meeting and told
us nearly all our customers canceled their orders. All we had left was filling the orders already on the books. Just before Christmas
of 2008 the company notified us they would permanently shut down on March 31, 2009. Obama was president on March 31, 2009. So
now after all the misinformation from Fox News and Republicans most steelworkers think it was Obama that closed the plant.
I think the industry was too far gone for Trump's tariffs to help. That pretty much is the reason why we lost the rust belt
states in 2016, the Republicans had completed their war on unions started in 1980 and convinced people it was the Democrats that did it.

[shrike3]

114. I grew up near the auto plants and am married to a retired steelworker. Got to see all this stuff

up close. You may be right; the industry was too far gone. I've thought lately that tariffs would have been a 70s solution, IF they'd been implemented. But we were going to be a service and professional economy, or so it was said. No one foresaw the internet, 3-D printing, etc.. We're in a heavily union area and the one bright spot seems to be the so-called gold collar industries. Plumbing, electrical work. My stepgrandson is an early 20-something journeyman pipefitter, and owns an house, a nice truck, all sorts of toys. The younger folks are being guided in that direction, which is a good thing.

[IsItJustMe]

30. Lots of reasons for the 73 million

racism
fascism
religious zealotry
gun radicalism
conspiratorial thinking
bitter self absorption
propaganda, misdirection and obfuscation from 24/7 news sources such as Fox and Newsmax

I think that about sums it up

[DFW]

107. Without #7

You would have had a lot less of the first six.

Before the Berlin Wall fell, whenever visiting East Berlin, the first thing the Eastern border guards would confiscate would be all western newspapers and magazines.

[Hortensis]

32. That's signature identity attitude for the far left.

Everything is ultimately our fault; we’re so much like conservatives, I guess, we could have stopped them if we only would; but of course, having so much callous uncaring corrupt corporatism in common, we never want to.

Odd wiring, maybe 10-15%, but an extremely passionate fringe of true believers. In themselves.

[Budi]

33. 2021 Democratic President Joe Biden

Boy, talk about " not reaching out", huh!

[Cha]

103. TY! Sounds like somebody

isn't paying Attention.

[Me.]

34. Sigh...Him Again

and now Nina is running for Congress talking about her democratic credentials

[Budi]

39. 80,000,000 + voters disagree with you, Nina.

“It’s like saying to somebody, ‘You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you’ve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,” Turner said of the choice between voting for Biden and President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election. “It’s still sh*t.”

Lovely, right?

I hope Nina's words become an ad campaign for her opponant.

[Me.]

45. And Yet, She Rec'd A Big Welcome On MSNBC This Morning

turned the channel and if this is their judgment going forward I will be less of a viewer in the future

[Budi]

46. Everything is a media promo for them all. Empty words with empty resumes.

Who was the host of that show?

Think I'll send them some talking points for the next time they book her.

[Me.]

50. Tiffany Cross Acting Like She Was A Long Lost Friend

[Budi]

52. Thanks. Are her "send money" emails out yet?

Think a better direction for Nina's words would be Marcia Fudge.

[Me.]

53. Don't KNow About Emails

have never been on those lists

[mcar]

63. I heard that

When asked if she was a Democrat, she hedged and said she's for.the people, not a party.

I took that as a no.

[doc03]

36. Bernie becomes a Democrat every four years to

run for president and can't get the nomination
Then after he loses he knows what Democrats did wrong.
Bernie STFU

[Budi]

40. Must be another million dollar book deal in the works...

Millionares & Billionares, don't ya know

[susanr516]

88. Yep.

I'll accept Bernie's criticism of the Democratic party just as soon as he runs in a general election with a D behind his name.

[Cha]

124. Exactly!

[stillcool]

37. irrelevance must be tough

He and Michael Moore should get a tv show.

[Tech]

42. Is he officially an independent again?

[vercetti2021]

44. No Bernie

People like you and AOC that like to throw the socialist label out is why "73" million people voted for Trump. You give them the ammunition for attack ads and propaganda

[LongtimeAZDem]

115. +1

[LizBeth]

47. Does this nd does that. Would really help if Sanders would actually say what the this and that is.

Because I think Sanders is just saying this and that and he really has nothing there.

This and that what Sanders. Letting women have choice with their body. That have right to marry gay partner? What would the this and that be that Trump did? Cage kids? Throw away money on a wall because of bigotry, encourage them not to wear masks and pretend disease was a hoax?

[Sympthsical]

51. Biden reaching out good. Bernie reaching out bad

So, did AOC take the day off or something?

[Budi]

54. Not sure exactly who he's reaching out to.

It's pretty clear who he's NOT, anyway.


"The horseshoe is not just a theory" ~ quote

[Sympthsical]

59. Working class people who vote against their interests by voting Republican

It's fairly clear. He hasn't made it any kind of secret.

But because we're us and are unable to shed any part of our woke silliness, we have to play this game. "Bernie's reaching out to the working class. We only lose working class white people. White people . . . OMG, Bernie wants more racists!"

Every single time without fail. But when Biden goes after the same demographic with his Scranton narrative, no one blinks.

It's just about punching and villainizing the Left. I'm tired of pretending it's not.

[Budi]

61. The Democratic Party he villainizes ARE THE LEFT.

The Dem Party has always represented THE LEFT in all it's degrees of..
He can stop drawing that divisive line between us & them.

That's the problem.

[George II]

67. Biden was our nominee and is now President-Elect. Sanders wasn't either.

[JI7]

85. Their interest is being racist and hating gay people so it IS in their interest to vote Republican

[betsuni]

96. "It's just about punching and villainizing the Left."

How?

[George II]

65. Biden is President-Elect, Sanders isn't.

[Cha]

104. What did BS do to get trump voters to

Vote for Biden & Kamala? Since he's "blaming the Dems".

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

This is What the Lincoln Project did..
What did he do?

[treestar]

117. He's blaming Democrats

Not reaching out to any Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

55. Hopefully, Sanders will not run again and we will elect a Democrat in Vermont. I would vote for

anyone who is not a Republican or a righty of course. Hey Bernie maybe it is Trump's fault...novel idea I know. Trump has lied to these poor fools.

[MineralMan]

58. OK, Bernie...

What did you do to get those Trump voters to vote for Joe Biden? I don't remember seeing you much during the campaign. Were you out stumping for Joe?

Thank goodness Joe was out there collecting 80 million + on his own.

[George II]

60. Wha? Once again blaming Democrats for things that happen. Funny that he's a member....

....of the Democratic caucus when good things happen, not when bad things happen.

Incidentally, despite signing that declaration early in the year proclaiming that he'd be a Democrat after the primaries were over, he has already registered for re-election in Vermont in 2024 as an INDEPENDENT!

[Budi]

62. Weird that Nina does the same thing. Party hopping is a trend?

Who knew?

[Cha]

105. And, Good Things Did Happen.. We Won

in 2 Landslides! Joe & Kamala WON.. and here we are Getting BLAIMED!!!!!

[LiberalFighter]

66. What has Sanders accomplished?

Basically nothing imo. I heard him speak and met him in 2012. I didn't really get much of an impression of him even though I am a labor activist.

During his years at Chicago University, he was an activist. After he graduated he didn't stick around and continue the fight. He went back to Brooklyn for 4 years and then moved to Vermont. A town with a population of 88. Not exactly a place to be an activist.

[JI7]

71. Considering how obsessed he is with White Voters him moving to Vermont from places like NYC and

Chicago makes sense.

[betsuni]

72. ...

[JI7]

73. Does he ever consider why he lost so badly to Joe Biden in the Primary considering he was running

for 5 years straight ?

And he lost Iowa to a young Mayor who spend far less money than he did.

Joe Biden won over 81 Million votes but he does not want to acknowledge those voters. Biden won the votes of the working class. Biden won among the poor and lowest income groups.

[JI7]

78. Sanders sure made a big deal out of the things he was doing with Josh Hawley

but he was silent during the spring when there was a bill which with Kamala Harris and Ed Markey which would provide much more to people.

He didn't seem to think it was worth promoting something done with those 2 democratic senators but he sure is proud of aligning with Hawley.

[betsuni]

86. THAT'S DIFFERENT!

Everything Democrats do must be given diabolical corporatist anti-working class motivations.

[myohmy2]

82. we'd better...

...take heed to what Bernie says...there may be no coming back from the next trump....

...clearly the worst president EVER and that was our win margin?

...now is no time to be cocky...

[JI7]

84. Sanders is the one that got cocky and lost the Primary HUGELY . Biden fucking WON the election

He won the Primary and the GE .

Sanders isn't the one to give advice to others when he hasn't shown he can do much.

[Cha]

91. EXACTLY!!!!!

[Cha]

90. No one is being "cocky" as you say.. how

have you reached to these reality defying magats?

[betsuni]

97. ... What? ...

[aikoaiko]

89. Thank you, Bernie. Its important to ask the question what we can do differently...

...and attract voters to the Democratic party.

[JI7]

92. Sanders failed in attracting voters hugely so he isn't in position to be attacking others for

something they DID do while he failed at it.

[aikoaiko]

116. I welcome his criticisms of our party even if it makes some feel attacked.

Sure, Bernie didn't win the primary and it wasn't close.

But with delight I remind you that he earned 26% of the voter determined delegates, earning delegates even after he stopped campaigning for the sake of supporting Joe Biden's candidacy for President.

He speaks for me and people like me. You can like it or not, but I'm grateful for his voice.

[joshcryer]

102. You cannot reach out to them.

There is no coming back from this. Nothing can be said that will change their mind.

[betsuni]

106. He still believes:

"But I think the vast majority of Trump's supporters are people who are in pain, who are struggling economically, who are worried to death that their kids are going to be in even worse shape economically than they are, and they turned to Trump because Trump said things that made sense. He said he was going to take on the establishment, and he was going to provide health care to everybody. You know what, it's pretty much what I said."

"I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist or sexist."

No, Bernie, Trump did not do this and that, he didn't fulfill any of his promises. He wasn't anti-establishment except for some weird tariffs and trashing trade deals (and no, trade deals did not cause the decline of manufacturing). The average Republican voter isn't economically insecure. It doesn't work to explain to them why they should vote for progressive policies (and yes, the Democratic Party is progressive, the two parties aren't same except for "identity politics" ). They're not voting for that. White working class Republicans vote for white identity. Identity is important. Few Americans are union members and don't have a strong sense of class or society, as Europeans do (why Europeans don't mind high taxes). The Democratic Party is the party of the working class -- most of them voted Democratic. Anti-establishment populism isn't attractive anymore.

[Cha]

120. he's Not paying attention. Biden Got the

Working Class.

[betsuni]

121. We hear millions of times that supposedly the Democratic Party ignores the working class.

I never see any proof, ever (unless it's about 90s trade deals so they can blame Clinton). How is the Democratic Party not the party of the working class.

As the article says, "Sanders has a long history of obsessing about 'white working-class voters' and while he didn't specify white voters here, Trump's voters were overwhelmingly white, and Joe Biden won voters making less than 100,000 a year by double digits."

He still thinks racism has nothing to do with it and if you simply explain why someone is voting against their economic interest, they will stop doing so. It's like what he said in an interview last year when asked how, if he were elected president and Mitch McConnell was still the majority leader, he'd get anything done. His answer was rallies. He'd go to Kentucky and hold rallies and force McConnell and Republicans in Congress to do their jobs. Easy. Done.

[Cha]

123. Exactly! So why is BS saying this?!!

Never mind.. rhetorical.

As the article says, "Sanders has a long history of obsessing about 'white working-class voters' and while he didn't specify white voters here, Trump's voters were overwhelmingly white, and Joe Biden won voters making less than 100,000 a year by double digits."

Thank you!

[Bettie]

109. He's stuck in a mindset that assumes

these people are reachable.

They aren't, not now, probably not for a long time. Maybe not ever.

Those people are a reflection of right wing hate radio and its impact on our society.

Now that the message has hardened in their minds, become "common knowledge" among that group of people, they aren't going to change. They are filled with hate and the idea that they alone deserve, well, everything, but are also willing to give up everything if it means their "enemies" suffer.

Their enemies are us. Democrats. People who have compassion. People who believe in science. It goes on, but he's wrong.

[Beringia]

111. Progressives and Democrats, The Great Divide

[Cha]

122. NO.. Dems are Progressive! Look at

how many Votes PE Biden & Harris got..

That's PROGRESS!

[PatSeg]

125. Exactly!

We need to stop letting the media divide us as a party. There is a very small handful of what we call Blue-dog Democrats, but most Democrats are quite progressive. They just disagree on priorities and how to achieve certain goals. This whole "left-wing" of the party versus the "moderates" is intentionally divisive and meant to make the party look like it is in disarray, when it is the republican party that is in chaos.

[Cha]

128. Well when we have a

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certain Independent who is sometimes a Dem.. blaming Dems for trump voters
but who Actually WON the Election we're going to stand up with facts.

Yes, we are Pragmatically Progressive.. we like to WIN!

[PatSeg]

129. Yeah

I've found that we tend to accomplish a whole lot more when we actually WIN elections. We certainly don't have to agree on everything, but our opponents are republicans, not other Democrats. Meanwhile, we can hash out our differences once the Georgia senate race is over and Joe Biden is in the White House. Is it really THAT hard for some people to keep a lid on it for a few more weeks?

[JI7]

126. Exactly, I can't see much progress made by Sanders in his decades in office

maybe that's why he needs to make a big deal out of labels . Because he lacks actual accomplishments.

[ahoysrcsm]

127. Socalists and Democratics. FIFY

[NurseJackie]

132. Thank you.

[NurseJackie]

131. Absurd.

[Generic Brad]

112. So we're supposed to reach out to racists, Proud Boys, Nazis and the KKK?

If we do reach out, I hope its to bitch slap them.

[BainsBane]

118. If he knows so much

Why can't he even win a majority of Democrats?

[NurseJackie]

130. You make a valid point. I think many people fail to consider such obvious truths.