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Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:45 PM

Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill to Block Abortion of Fetuses Capable of Feeling Pain

"But she is a progressive, statist!!!" - a right wing extremist supporter of her
Can't wait for the same ones who defend her transphobic legislation to defend her anti abortion stance.
This is just validating what we said about her. Anyone remember what we said about Biden and Kamala ?
Buckle up.

https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-introduces-bill-block-191930470.html

Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hawaii) introduced a bill on Wednesday that would outlaw abortions for fetuses capable of feeling pain.

The pro-life group Democrats for Life in America announced the content of the bill on Facebook and in an online petition. While the bill has been submitted to the House, its full text was not immediately available, and it was not clear what week of pregnancy Gabbard’s bill designates as the limit for obtaining an abortion. Similar legislation has designated the 20th week of pregnancy as the cutoff.

“Former Democratic Presidential Candidate Tulsi Gabbard introduced her SECOND Pro-Life bill this week, which would amend Title 18 of the U.S. code to give pain-capable fetuses rights under the law,” DFLA wrote on Facebook. “Tulsi has previously voted against this bill three times, but is now the SPONSOR of the new bill. This is proof that DFLA can convince Democrats to join the right side of history.”

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Reply Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill to Block Abortion of Fetuses Capable of Feeling Pain (Original post)
tenderfoot Dec 2020 OP
Eyeball_Kid Dec 2020 #1
mcar Dec 2020 #2
NurseJackie Dec 2020 #21
mcar Dec 2020 #26
hlthe2b Dec 2020 #3
dalton99a Dec 2020 #4
Me. Dec 2020 #5
Lunabell Dec 2020 #12
Cha Dec 2020 #40
Me. Dec 2020 #46
Cha Dec 2020 #47
Me. Dec 2020 #50
Cha Dec 2020 #52
Me. Dec 2020 #53
pwb Dec 2020 #6
Takket Dec 2020 #7
CrispyQ Dec 2020 #14
agincourt Dec 2020 #8
Autumn Dec 2020 #9
ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #10
RainCaster Dec 2020 #11
irisblue Dec 2020 #18
MineralMan Dec 2020 #13
DinahMoeHum Dec 2020 #15
MineralMan Dec 2020 #16
Cha Dec 2020 #49
sakabatou Dec 2020 #17
grobertj Dec 2020 #19
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #20
grobertj Dec 2020 #27
LanternWaste Dec 2020 #33
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #41
Codeine Dec 2020 #43
Codeine Dec 2020 #22
Post removed Dec 2020 #28
Codeine Dec 2020 #36
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #42
Dirty Socialist Dec 2020 #23
grobertj Dec 2020 #32
Codeine Dec 2020 #38
JI7 Dec 2020 #51
Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #24
grobertj Dec 2020 #30
Turin_C3PO Dec 2020 #31
Post removed Dec 2020 #34
phylny Dec 2020 #25
Post removed Dec 2020 #29
LanternWaste Dec 2020 #35
Codeine Dec 2020 #44
phylny Dec 2020 #45
ahoysrcsm Dec 2020 #48
Hekate Dec 2020 #54
LeftInTX Dec 2020 #37
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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:49 PM

1. The good news is that Gabbard is retiring from public service. n/t

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:50 PM

2. When people show you who they are...

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Response to mcar (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:09 PM

21. Hillary was right. Wasn't she?

She called it!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:00 PM

26. Sure was

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:52 PM

3. No. We should just carry them to term so they can be starved, neglected, beaten and left

as unwanted chattel for Republicans unwilling to deliver any help to care for, educate them post-partum. Because we all know neonates, toddlers, adolescents, teens, and adults can't feel pain or suffering.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:53 PM

4. So this is her swan song?

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:55 PM

5. Tulsi Introduces Bill That Demands All Chilren Are Well Fed & In Good Homes

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Response to Me. (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:58 PM

12. Now, this is pro-life.

I'm on board. Sigh...

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Response to Me. (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:51 PM

40. Well Done!

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 11:12 PM

46. Bet You're Glad She's Out

Last edited Sun Dec 20, 2020, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Me. (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 11:38 PM

47. I'm OverJoyed! Tweet from Rep Elect Kai Kahele..



They're giving the Shaka Signs(Hang Loose)!

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Response to Cha (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 12:46 AM

50. ...




and doesn't it just drive you nuts when people put your instead of you're...

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Response to Me. (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 12:52 AM

52. No..

I knew what you meant.

You should see how many times I have to edit myself!

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Response to Cha (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 12:57 AM

53. ...

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:58 PM

6. Yahoo is still around?

?

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:02 PM

7. anyone else find it completely insane.........

that lame duck legislatures that are out of a job in January are even allowed to submit new legislation?

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Response to Takket (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:03 PM

14. +1

It should apply to presidents as well.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:07 PM

8. When she was running in the primaries

I would watch some of her videos. She would blink at an unusually high rate, guess that old adage that deceivers blink a lot when they talk was true after all.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:08 PM

9. She sure is a moderate Republican.

Doing what moderate Republicans do.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:09 PM

10. Well well.

Not surprising.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:28 PM

11. Thus proving that repukes don't have a lock on stupidity

It will be interesting to see how her bill defines "pain capable", and how that squares with medical knowledge.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:36 PM

18. That asshole has a seat in the House till January. Is she trying out for RW media again?

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 02:25 PM

13. That doesn't sound like something a Democrat would do.

Odd, huh?

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:08 PM

16. Yes. Wonderful!

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 11:41 PM

49. Yes! I just posted Kai Kahele's Tweet above..

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 03:27 PM

17. Gah...

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 05:41 PM

20. Safe, legal and rare? That's what abortions after 21 weeks are -- at least, in 25 states.

Abortions after 21 weeks make up about 1 percent of all abortions, and the main reasons people get them are fetal anomalies, health of the pregnant person, and less common but more importantly, delay in access.

"Viability" is a moving target and creates barriers. "Late term abortion" also means different things to different people. Restricting abortion will always hurt the people who need them. Always.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:22 PM

27. Your comment that "Restricting abortion will always

hurt the people who need them" is your opinion, not a fact.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:31 PM

33. It's an opinion supported by peer-reviewed evidence.

Making it less an opinion but rather, more an objective standard within the social sciences.

But I'm confident you'll support your own opinions with peer-reviewed evidence to better support them as well as your own arguments, yes?

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Response to grobertj (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:58 PM

41. As m'learned friend Lantern Waste says, it's an objective standard.

Requiring admitting privileges at hospitals -- a restriction -- closed clinics, restricting access. People who have to travel for access have to pay money for travel, day/s off, maybe hotels. In my state, a minor who wants an abortion needs permission for both parents. If that's not possible, a judge decides. But all of that rigamarole means delay, making it harder to get an abortion. Every restriction you name hurts people who want abortions.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 09:09 PM

43. Now wait a goddamned minute.

 

How on earth can you characterize the assertion that restricting access to health care harms those who require said health care as an opinion?! That’s just a straight up fact.

Restricting access to dental care harms those who need dental care. Restricting access to cancer screenings harms those who require them. Surely you wouldn’t characterize those statements as “opinions”, so why does the conversation suddenly change when the subject is reproductive care?

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:23 PM

22. As a male Democrat I can't support

 

any law that fucks with someone else’s reproductive decisions. Your religion doesn’t override the rights of those around you.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:46 PM

36. No, it most assuredly isn't murder.

 

It’s a legal medical procedure (thus, by definition, not “murder”) and it’s none of your damned business. Your Bronze Age philosophies are of no consequence in a discussion of medicine.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:59 PM

42. If it's murder because a person wants an abortion the day before the due date for any reason, how is

it not murder if a person gets an abortion when there are anomalies that would result in "natural death" 10 minutes after birth?

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:28 PM

23. I agree

Safe, legal and rare. And there are a lot more people than you think that would agree with you.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:29 PM

32. I know there are. Extreme positions on abortion rights make it impossible

to reach evangelicals and other social conservatives.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:48 PM

38. Evangelical and social conservatives

 

aren’t going to vote for Democrats anyway. Should we also throw the LGBTQ+ community under the bus in your new quest for support from the far right?

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Response to grobertj (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 12:49 AM

51. Those Evangelicals and Social Conservatives are RAcists hiding behind Religion. THey cheer on brown

kids being taken from parents and put in cages.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:32 PM

24. We're a secular nation.

We don't base laws on your or my religion.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:27 PM

30. I was explaining my position. But killing a viable fetus is murder.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:29 PM

31. I don't agree that it's murder.

And as a male, I’m certainly in no position to tell a woman they must carry a fetus to term if they choose not to.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 07:48 PM

25. If you're against it, don't have one.

Problem solved. Otherwise, it's not your business what a woman and her physician decide.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:34 PM

35. You will of course, support that premise with objective evidence, yes?

As we've all heard the bumper stickers, it seems a good time to rise above slogans and support our hypotheses with peer-reviewed research.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 09:10 PM

44. It is not murder.

 

It’s a medical procedure of compelling interest to nobody other the patient and her health care provider.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 09:21 PM

45. It's not.

I have worked with babies who have had massive birth defects - things most people don't see, things that may cause you to avert your eyes. Blind, deaf, malformed, without the ability to suck to get any comfort because there is no real face. Uncontrollable seizures, pumped full of medicine and formula to keep them alive with horrible side effects. Constantly needing to be suctioned to live.

Suctioned all day and all night.

Screaming in pain, alive with virtually no pleasure, only pain.

Yes, some parents of these children chose to continue their pregnancy, and because medical intervention can keep many babies alive, but not living, the baby pays every day until they die. It's the pregnant woman's choice. Just like some choose not to abort and it works out and everyone is grateful, some choose not to abort and the effects of their decisions, with massive medical bills to match that bankrupt and exhaust families, are horrific.

Some others choose, with the help and advice of medical professionals, to abort. People have the right to make the choice that you may not agree with, but that may be the most compassionate and humane choice to be made in their particular case. Trust me, no one celebrates that choice late in a pregnancy. No one.

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Response to grobertj (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:42 AM

54. I support the full range of women's necessary medical care. When women are denied medical care....

...women die.

You don’t get to argue, based on your religion, what gets left out.

If it helps you, let me assure you that no perfect full-term Gerber Babies are being aborted.

Incidentally, in a democracy your religion is not the only one, and it is not the only yardstick for secular laws, which are ethically based. You are free to practice your religion, as I am to practice mine. (If you don't believe in abortion, by all means don’t have one.)

My Goddess encourages thoughtful decision-making, freedom of conscience, and the full range of women’s necessary medical care. I would never force someone who didn’t want an abortion to have one, no matter how stupid I thought that decision might be (there are women with life-threatening medical conditions who defy medical advice and continue a pregnancy, knowing it could kill them and leave their other children orphaned — but it’s not my decision).

Other religions in this country also encourage thoughtful decision-making and freedom of conscience. The basic Buddhist tenet of ahimsa has been used to query Buddhist sages about the issue of abortion — and the answer has been that a woman’s life must also be considered under that rubric, and that she needs to be able to decide for herself what will cause harm to her.

If you want other examples, know that there are quite a few sects of America’s Jewish and Christian communities that are pro-choice, and I can name them.

Peace.

Hekate

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:48 PM

37. Go home, Tulsi!

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:51 PM

39. One last tick on the resume for her OANN application

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:54 AM

55. Uh-huh

In other words, she's celebrating the demise of her political career by morphing into a Republican.

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