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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTulsi Gabbard Introduces Bill to Block Abortion of Fetuses Capable of Feeling Pain
"But she is a progressive, statist!!!" - a right wing extremist supporter of her
Can't wait for the same ones who defend her transphobic legislation to defend her anti abortion stance.
This is just validating what we said about her. Anyone remember what we said about Biden and Kamala ?
Buckle up.
https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-introduces-bill-block-191930470.html
Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hawaii) introduced a bill on Wednesday that would outlaw abortions for fetuses capable of feeling pain.
The pro-life group Democrats for Life in America announced the content of the bill on Facebook and in an online petition. While the bill has been submitted to the House, its full text was not immediately available, and it was not clear what week of pregnancy Gabbards bill designates as the limit for obtaining an abortion. Similar legislation has designated the 20th week of pregnancy as the cutoff.
Former Democratic Presidential Candidate Tulsi Gabbard introduced her SECOND Pro-Life bill this week, which would amend Title 18 of the U.S. code to give pain-capable fetuses rights under the law, DFLA wrote on Facebook. Tulsi has previously voted against this bill three times, but is now the SPONSOR of the new bill. This is proof that DFLA can convince Democrats to join the right side of history.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,398 posts)mcar
(42,179 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)She called it!
mcar
(42,179 posts)hlthe2b
(101,534 posts)as unwanted chattel for Republicans unwilling to deliver any help to care for, educate them post-partum. Because we all know neonates, toddlers, adolescents, teens, and adults can't feel pain or suffering.
dalton99a
(80,907 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Lunabell
(5,888 posts)I'm on board. Sigh...
Me.
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Cha
(295,532 posts)and doesn't it just drive you nuts when people put your instead of you're...
I knew what you meant.
You should see how many times I have to edit myself!
pwb
(11,189 posts)?
Takket
(21,353 posts)that lame duck legislatures that are out of a job in January are even allowed to submit new legislation?
It should apply to presidents as well.
agincourt
(1,996 posts)I would watch some of her videos. She would blink at an unusually high rate, guess that old adage that deceivers blink a lot when they talk was true after all.
Autumn
(44,686 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,885 posts)Not surprising.
RainCaster
(10,585 posts)It will be interesting to see how her bill defines "pain capable", and how that squares with medical knowledge.
irisblue
(32,793 posts)MineralMan
(146,116 posts)Odd, huh?
DinahMoeHum
(21,704 posts)MineralMan
(146,116 posts)Cha
(295,532 posts)sakabatou
(42,070 posts)Response to tenderfoot (Original post)
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,094 posts)Abortions after 21 weeks make up about 1 percent of all abortions, and the main reasons people get them are fetal anomalies, health of the pregnant person, and less common but more importantly, delay in access.
"Viability" is a moving target and creates barriers. "Late term abortion" also means different things to different people. Restricting abortion will always hurt the people who need them. Always.
grobertj
(187 posts)hurt the people who need them" is your opinion, not a fact.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Making it less an opinion but rather, more an objective standard within the social sciences.
But I'm confident you'll support your own opinions with peer-reviewed evidence to better support them as well as your own arguments, yes?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,094 posts)Requiring admitting privileges at hospitals -- a restriction -- closed clinics, restricting access. People who have to travel for access have to pay money for travel, day/s off, maybe hotels. In my state, a minor who wants an abortion needs permission for both parents. If that's not possible, a judge decides. But all of that rigamarole means delay, making it harder to get an abortion. Every restriction you name hurts people who want abortions.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)How on earth can you characterize the assertion that restricting access to health care harms those who require said health care as an opinion?! Thats just a straight up fact.
Restricting access to dental care harms those who need dental care. Restricting access to cancer screenings harms those who require them. Surely you wouldnt characterize those statements as opinions, so why does the conversation suddenly change when the subject is reproductive care?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)any law that fucks with someone elses reproductive decisions. Your religion doesnt override the rights of those around you.
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)Its a legal medical procedure (thus, by definition, not murder) and its none of your damned business. Your Bronze Age philosophies are of no consequence in a discussion of medicine.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,094 posts)it not murder if a person gets an abortion when there are anomalies that would result in "natural death" 10 minutes after birth?
Dirty Socialist
(3,244 posts)Safe, legal and rare. And there are a lot more people than you think that would agree with you.
grobertj
(187 posts)to reach evangelicals and other social conservatives.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)arent going to vote for Democrats anyway. Should we also throw the LGBTQ+ community under the bus in your new quest for support from the far right?
JI7
(89,151 posts)kids being taken from parents and put in cages.
Turin_C3PO
(13,574 posts)We don't base laws on your or my religion.
grobertj
(187 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,574 posts)And as a male, Im certainly in no position to tell a woman they must carry a fetus to term if they choose not to.
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phylny
(8,343 posts)Problem solved. Otherwise, it's not your business what a woman and her physician decide.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As we've all heard the bumper stickers, it seems a good time to rise above slogans and support our hypotheses with peer-reviewed research.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Its a medical procedure of compelling interest to nobody other the patient and her health care provider.
phylny
(8,343 posts)I have worked with babies who have had massive birth defects - things most people don't see, things that may cause you to avert your eyes. Blind, deaf, malformed, without the ability to suck to get any comfort because there is no real face. Uncontrollable seizures, pumped full of medicine and formula to keep them alive with horrible side effects. Constantly needing to be suctioned to live.
Suctioned all day and all night.
Screaming in pain, alive with virtually no pleasure, only pain.
Yes, some parents of these children chose to continue their pregnancy, and because medical intervention can keep many babies alive, but not living, the baby pays every day until they die. It's the pregnant woman's choice. Just like some choose not to abort and it works out and everyone is grateful, some choose not to abort and the effects of their decisions, with massive medical bills to match that bankrupt and exhaust families, are horrific.
Some others choose, with the help and advice of medical professionals, to abort. People have the right to make the choice that you may not agree with, but that may be the most compassionate and humane choice to be made in their particular case. Trust me, no one celebrates that choice late in a pregnancy. No one.
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Hekate
(89,976 posts)...women die.
You dont get to argue, based on your religion, what gets left out.
If it helps you, let me assure you that no perfect full-term Gerber Babies are being aborted.
Incidentally, in a democracy your religion is not the only one, and it is not the only yardstick for secular laws, which are ethically based. You are free to practice your religion, as I am to practice mine. (If you don't believe in abortion, by all means dont have one.)
My Goddess encourages thoughtful decision-making, freedom of conscience, and the full range of womens necessary medical care. I would never force someone who didnt want an abortion to have one, no matter how stupid I thought that decision might be (there are women with life-threatening medical conditions who defy medical advice and continue a pregnancy, knowing it could kill them and leave their other children orphaned but its not my decision).
Other religions in this country also encourage thoughtful decision-making and freedom of conscience. The basic Buddhist tenet of ahimsa has been used to query Buddhist sages about the issue of abortion and the answer has been that a womans life must also be considered under that rubric, and that she needs to be able to decide for herself what will cause harm to her.
If you want other examples, know that there are quite a few sects of Americas Jewish and Christian communities that are pro-choice, and I can name them.
Peace.
Hekate
LeftInTX
(24,417 posts)Tarc
(10,471 posts)jmowreader
(50,419 posts)In other words, she's celebrating the demise of her political career by morphing into a Republican.