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PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:15 PM Dec 2020

The possible mutated strain of COVID-19 in UK

and probably elsewhere:

The official line is that they’re studying it but the vaccine responds to many areas of the viral particle and should still be effective. I hope so.

But you know what? The science major in me needs to KNOW that that is the case. Since I recall hotshot scientists saying that AIDS (orGRID as it had been called) most likely couldn’t and wouldn’t spread into the heterosexual population, I’m less likely to take these folks at their word or even their surmises.

I mean, they sat there while Orangina said that it was going to just disappear, and didn’t speak up or resign their posts. Yeah, I know. But I am wary of prognosticators and prognostications no matter how well-intentioned.

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The possible mutated strain of COVID-19 in UK (Original Post) PCIntern Dec 2020 OP
We do need to know pandr32 Dec 2020 #1
"Hot shot scientists." BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #2
Well I had 11 years of advanced study, was a PCIntern Dec 2020 #7
It's not just American scientists saying they think it won't affect vaccine effectiveness muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #3
One of the hallmarks of science, transparency. Kid Berwyn Dec 2020 #4
Capitalists. Nitram Dec 2020 #6
My understanding is that the vaccine stimulates production of antibodies and immune system killer Nitram Dec 2020 #5
Has there been any report on why it's more transmissable? Does it travel farther? AnnieG Dec 2020 #8
Excellent questions PCIntern Dec 2020 #9
For me the bottom line is: don't stop masking, distancing or sanitizing . Yet. abqtommy Dec 2020 #10
The more infections the more likely it is to mutate. BrightKnight Dec 2020 #11
Of course PCIntern Dec 2020 #12
Of course PCIntern Dec 2020 #13

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
2. "Hot shot scientists."
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:30 PM
Dec 2020


Yeah, I think all go that route too. Rather than pay attention to epidemiologists and the like, I’ll fall back on my freshman level college science courses from 30 years ago.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
7. Well I had 11 years of advanced study, was a
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:57 PM
Dec 2020

Professor at an Ivy, and have been in clinical practice for 41 years

I was practicing when the scientists were all wrong about GRID and later, AIDS and none of them ever took back their ridiculous pronouncements. You think these Trumpian assholes are the first corrupt doctors? Please....

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
3. It's not just American scientists saying they think it won't affect vaccine effectiveness
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:39 PM
Dec 2020

It's the British ones who have been studying the variant. So "didn’t speak up or resign their posts" is a red herring. And those with initial prognostications about AIDS who are still in the job over 35 years later are few and far between. Unless you can actually name a scientist in both categories, it seems another red herring

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
4. One of the hallmarks of science, transparency.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:39 PM
Dec 2020

What do we call those who hide what they’ve learned to make a buck?

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
5. My understanding is that the vaccine stimulates production of antibodies and immune system killer
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 01:45 PM
Dec 2020

cells that then target the Covid-19 virus. The virus is always mutating but, so far, anti-bodies produced by one variant of the virus are still effective against another. The protein produced by the MRNA in the vaccine is modeled on a protein in the spikes that project from the surface of the virus.

 

AnnieG

(27 posts)
8. Has there been any report on why it's more transmissable? Does it travel farther?
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:00 PM
Dec 2020

Last longer? Get through masks more easily? Infect with a lower viral load? I'm assuming it's the last. But, to tell the truth, I'm new to DU and have been wanting to ask a question in the Computers group for several days and I can't until I make a certain number of replies, and I haven't found anything I want to talk about. So this is sort of a made up question. Thanks for your indulgence!

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
11. The more infections the more likely it is to mutate.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:59 PM
Dec 2020

I don't get why nobody has called the lemming herd immunity idiots out for this. Aside from enormous number of unnecessary casualties it sounds like a really bad plan.

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