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MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:02 PM Dec 2020

The Republican Senate Is to Blame for Not Removing Trump

Because they did not do that, we have faced some of the worst months in US history. Because they failed to follow through with their duty after the House impeached Donald John Trump, the Republicans in the Senate are responsible for everything bad that has happened since they had that opportunity.

This should have been a clarion call prior to the 2020 election. It was not, and the GOP was not punished for its neglect of its historic responsibility for removing a madman from the White House. We still have a chance to gain control of the Senate, but it is just a chance. It may not happen.

The Republican Senate is to blame for everything.

Shame on them all! Shame!

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The Republican Senate Is to Blame for Not Removing Trump (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2020 OP
this++ llashram Dec 2020 #1
Mitt Romney voted to convict, but he could have been a more clear-headed voice ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2020 #2
Yes, he did, and I thank him for that. MineralMan Dec 2020 #4
But we must not forget that Mitt only stuck his neck out halfway. calimary Dec 2020 #28
He's also in a safe red state with many Never Trumpers spooky3 Dec 2020 #33
Sorry, Mineral.... AZ8theist Dec 2020 #54
Mitt always couches his objections in diplomatic language. Orange Buffoon Dec 2020 #56
If we just get one senate seat everything changes Joelteply Dec 2020 #57
They all knew - like everyone else - what he was, what he did, what he was capable of. dalton99a Dec 2020 #3
Of course they knew, but he was giving them what they wanted, MineralMan Dec 2020 #5
Not just what Trump would do Traildogbob Dec 2020 #18
Traildogbob...OMG!!!! I am lovin' the way you laid out that scene! Upthevibe Dec 2020 #53
You Rock upthevibe Traildogbob Dec 2020 #58
I know in the universe, anything is possible... Blue Owl Dec 2020 #6
Between Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham, MineralMan Dec 2020 #8
One of my heroes in this whole shameful episode.... MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #7
Yes. He did a terrific job of laying it all out. MineralMan Dec 2020 #9
THIS malaise Dec 2020 #10
+1 c-rational Dec 2020 #36
agree n/t Paper Roses Dec 2020 #39
The republican senate did not call one single witness in the impeachment trial. They mocked it. spanone Dec 2020 #11
Exactly! They Had Already Decided Not to Remove Him. MineralMan Dec 2020 #12
hopefully georgia voters will remember orleans Dec 2020 #55
And in a way they did us a favor by that. soldierant Dec 2020 #47
And no revelation of facts would help Trump or Republican senators. jaxexpat Dec 2020 #48
Their names should be carved in stone and placed on the front of the Capitol building. Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #13
You just made Mitch smile lame54 Dec 2020 #14
An evil grin, indeed! MineralMan Dec 2020 #20
Yes, I agree, Seaflorida Dec 2020 #15
You are damn right. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2020 #16
You are right treestar Dec 2020 #17
I think about that constantly captain queeg Dec 2020 #19
It was a very low point in US history, it seems to me. MineralMan Dec 2020 #21
I hope so. I hope future generations will take the action that is required, and not brush it off captain queeg Dec 2020 #37
Absolutely! pandr32 Dec 2020 #22
BINGO BINGO BINGO KPN Dec 2020 #23
They left it up to us. pamela Dec 2020 #24
I think Pence would have lost even bigger too Polybius Dec 2020 #25
Such thoughts cross my mind daily... 2naSalit Dec 2020 #26
K&R ffr Dec 2020 #27
Thank you. This is an excellent counter to the endless whining about "do-nothing Dems"... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #29
You're welcome. I, too, am tired of people blaming Democrats MineralMan Dec 2020 #30
Amen to that Joinfortmill Dec 2020 #31
Thank You for the Reality Check, MM! Cha Dec 2020 #32
Well said and agreed. Unfortunately, the Senate and MSM, has a short memory. During the c-rational Dec 2020 #34
Absolutely, the proverbial "last straw" should have been long before the election Ohioboy Dec 2020 #35
I have been saying this since the day the senate voted to acquit trump mdbl Dec 2020 #38
Get ready for Republicans to obstruct and blame Democrats for problems Cary Dec 2020 #40
.......Absolutely Correct..... titanicdave Dec 2020 #41
republican party monkeyman1 Dec 2020 #42
Blame or credit? JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #43
The Repubicans are the blame for speaknow Dec 2020 #44
+1 Ferrets are Cool Dec 2020 #45
It's because of the total #GOPsurrender BadGimp Dec 2020 #46
Shame as well, on the 74 million voters that totally failed to make the connection, and bullwinkle428 Dec 2020 #49
This looks like a good place for a reminder ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #50
I would ask if Susan Collins is losing any sleep over her pronouncements at the end of the trial Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2020 #51
I am sure she's concerned mdbl Dec 2020 #52
History won't be kind to those cowards. oasis Dec 2020 #59
yes! Correct! UCmeNdc Dec 2020 #60
Nothing short of criminal. kentuck Dec 2020 #61
That's true. Turbineguy Dec 2020 #62
Mineral Man, northoftheborder Dec 2020 #63
Exactly. MineralMan Dec 2020 #64
KnR sarchasm Dec 2020 #65
The Republicans have had a free pass... Catch2.2 Dec 2020 #66

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,897 posts)
2. Mitt Romney voted to convict, but he could have been a more clear-headed voice
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:12 PM
Dec 2020

And a big boy to handle Trump's wrath.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
4. Yes, he did, and I thank him for that.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:13 PM
Dec 2020

We needed more Republicans to do the same, but they did not. More's the pity.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
28. But we must not forget that Mitt only stuck his neck out halfway.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:19 PM
Dec 2020

He failed to approve BOTH impeachment votes.

So I’m sorry. That’s not some big “profile in courage” by ANY definition.

Come back and talk to me, Mitt, AFTER you’ve led a trump revolt in the Senate. Then I might actually have time to listen to you and take you even halfway seriously.

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
33. He's also in a safe red state with many Never Trumpers
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:45 PM
Dec 2020

So I agree he deserves more kudos than his feckless and spineless colleagues, he’s also less at risk than they are of losing elections.

AZ8theist

(7,372 posts)
54. Sorry, Mineral....
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:47 AM
Dec 2020

But these Russian-owned Repukes have no shame. They couldn't care less about America or the American people.

All they care about is money and power. Until we start putting them in prison for CRIMES, nothing will change.
The next Nazi wannabe dictator will be intelligent, unlike the fucking IMBECILE currently occupying the White House illegally.

Then we are screwed. Nazi Germany 2.0. Welcome to Gilead.

Orange Buffoon

(245 posts)
56. Mitt always couches his objections in diplomatic language.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 02:19 AM
Dec 2020

We needed a fire-breather, not a diplomat.

Joelteply

(38 posts)
57. If we just get one senate seat everything changes
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 03:33 AM
Dec 2020

Mitt can effectively neuter these Trump extremists by the threat of either going along with Democrats on some issues or defecting. I suspect the latter is slim to none, but I have no doubt either of these two potential threats could limit the Trump train’s power. This will drive Trump further into insanity and make him toxic to the party.

I’m just saying it could be a good thing.

dalton99a

(94,115 posts)
3. They all knew - like everyone else - what he was, what he did, what he was capable of.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:12 PM
Dec 2020

And they refused to act.

Heck, they kept giving him everything he wanted, and defended and protected him at every turn.


MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
5. Of course they knew, but he was giving them what they wanted,
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:14 PM
Dec 2020

so they ignored his insane ravings and bizarre actions. For those things I can never forgive them.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
18. Not just what Trump would do
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:46 PM
Dec 2020

They all knew McConnell has full control of the GOP donor purse strings and would defund every one that stood against trump, AND him. Georgia is critical. That multiple scrotum neck treasonous shit bag is as much responsible for everything as Trump. The day that evil ancient bag of old pus dies, I am gonna drink a $100 bottle of fine Pino Noir, with aged goat cheese and Sicilian hard crust fresh baked bread on my favorite Mtn Top and Rock out with Spotify and Bose speakers, singing as load as I can shout. To the dismay of my black lab, but I will share bread and cheese with her, she will be fine.
Come on Georgia, end the pelican necked reign of terror over this country.

Upthevibe

(10,180 posts)
53. Traildogbob...OMG!!!! I am lovin' the way you laid out that scene!
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:30 AM
Dec 2020
I'd want to be right there with you (except I'm a recovering alcoholic so I wouldn't be able to have some of that find Pino Noir with you - not even in my imagination).

There are no words that have been created to fully express the evil that is Mitch McConnell. He hasn't only enabled but he's encouraged the actions of a madman, a sociopath, and a malignant narcissist who has wrecked havoc in this country that I didn't think was possible (including in my worst nightmares).

I've been phone banking for Ossoff and Warnock for the past four weeks. I'm on a budget but I'll be contributing $25 to each of their campaigns on Tuesday. And, I'll start my visualization exercises tomorrow as well - from 6:00-6:15 p.m. (P.S.T.). I'll do this every evening from 12/21/20 - 1/?/21 (? because we don't know when we'll have the results).

When I visualize, I just imagine what I want to happen which means I'll picture both Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock winning the election, them accepting their wins and smiling and waving, and then being sworn in. I did this visualization for Biden/Harris before for several weeks before the election, and I swear to God when they were on the stage that night in Delaware, it was EXACTLY how I pictured it...right down to Kamala wearing that beautiful white pant suit (and I didn't even know what the significance of it was until much later).

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
58. You Rock upthevibe
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:32 AM
Dec 2020

A person of action. Visualize, on my friend. That Biden/Harris story is awesome. Like you, on a tight budget, but I will also contribute to both of our candidates. Moscow Mitch needs that swollen with power neck pouch deflated so as to look like an ancient shriveled useless scrotum. Pure greed and evil. Term limits!!!!!!

Blue Owl

(59,101 posts)
6. I know in the universe, anything is possible...
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:16 PM
Dec 2020

However I can't imagine a Democratic leadership crisis scenario ever reaching anything close to this level of complete insanity...

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
8. Between Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham,
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:20 PM
Dec 2020

The Senate was blocked from taking the only action that could end Donald Trump's Reign of Madness.

Whatever Trump has on those two was apparently enough to keep them from doing their job properly. Perhaps we'll know what dirt he had on them someday. When we find out, we will probably say: "WTF! What weak, ineffectual men!"

MyOwnPeace

(17,552 posts)
7. One of my heroes in this whole shameful episode....
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:18 PM
Dec 2020

is Congressman Adam Schiff.

He TOLD us!

He WARNED us!

And they did not listen......

Lest we forget - the complete closing argument:

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/adam-schiff-closing-argument-transcript-thursday-impeachment-trial

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
9. Yes. He did a terrific job of laying it all out.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:21 PM
Dec 2020

The Republican Senators ignored it all.

spanone

(141,609 posts)
11. The republican senate did not call one single witness in the impeachment trial. They mocked it.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:23 PM
Dec 2020

K&R

Mitch McConnell has a problem with the facts. The Senate majority leader is taking the position that the evidence presented in the House impeachment inquiry is all the Senate needs to decide whether Trump should be removed from office, and that further testimony from witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial is unnecessary. He has announced that he is in “total coordination” with the White House on the matter and says he has the votes to launch proceedings in the Senate without the commitment to hear from any witnesses. Though senators like Susan Collins have indicated they want to hear witness testimony, McConnell argues that for Republicans to allow new evidence would be “mutually assured destruction” for GOP lawmakers in tight races this year.

There’s just one issue with McConnell’s preferred approach. Unless Republican senators want to accept the facts laid out by the House leadership and restrict themselves to the legal question of whether those facts demonstrate impeachable conduct, they’re going to need to call witnesses.

As many have explained, the House impeachment investigation was analogous to a grand jury investigation, with the resulting impeachment vote akin to a decision to indict. Republicans are now acting as if the House proceedings were a full trial—meaning that the Senate is now acting as an appellate court that can only consider the closed record developed below. Sen. Marco Rubio recently tweeted that the “testimony & evidence considered in a Senate impeachment trial should be the same testimony & evidence the House relied upon when they passed the Articles of Impeachment.”

But the text of the Constitution, the Senate’s own powers and the weight of history all demonstrate that this is wrong. The impeachment clauses mandate that the Senate must conduct a trial—and while impeachment proceedings are not exactly a trial as would occur before a court, the principles of both criminal and civil law provide useful guidelines for how the Senate should act to fulfill its constitutional responsibility.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/senate-impeachment-trial-call-witnesses-or-concede-facts

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
12. Exactly! They Had Already Decided Not to Remove Him.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:25 PM
Dec 2020

So, they rushed to the vote to do so.

We will remember.

We will never forget!

orleans

(36,916 posts)
55. hopefully georgia voters will remember
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:03 AM
Dec 2020

and know what lies ahead for everyone if they don't get out there and kick some republican ass

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
47. And in a way they did us a favor by that.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:17 PM
Dec 2020

Had they called witnesses, a great deal more money would have been spent, and the result would have been the same. And in the end, it would not have changed a single vote People who are wilfully blind to that extent stay that way.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
48. And no revelation of facts would help Trump or Republican senators.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

We shall see just how scarce facts can really get if the Republicans retain a majority in the senate.

Truly a sad state of affairs when the likes of Mitt Romney and some yet unnamed GOP senate ninny could be the last hope standing against the absolute loss of our representative democracy to whatever hell the Republicans have dreamed up. It will require a gigantic in-your-face atrocity, however, because Mitt will always go along quietly with piece-meal dismantling. That's to be expected, normal, like torturing children with neglect and isolation because their parents dared to want a piece of the American pie or drilling for oil in a pristine natural environment because some wealthy group of old men who've ALWAYS gotten their way feel like they need to show their power to any who'd dare challenge their will.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
13. Their names should be carved in stone and placed on the front of the Capitol building.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:36 PM
Dec 2020

If I ran a newspaper I would put their names on the front page during elections. It should be in history books that future generations study.

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
19. I think about that constantly
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:49 PM
Dec 2020

Not just not convicting, the way they mocked the entire proceeding and refused to see any evidence just encouraged trumpf further. They made a mockery of our whole "constitutional democracy". Having laws in writing mean nothing when those who are to enforce them do nothing.Makes me sick to think about it.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
21. It was a very low point in US history, it seems to me.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 02:53 PM
Dec 2020

This period will be recorded, though, as an example of the weakness of our system against deliberate tyranny.

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
37. I hope so. I hope future generations will take the action that is required, and not brush it off
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:58 PM
Dec 2020

Assuming of course that we survive

pamela

(3,480 posts)
24. They left it up to us.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:06 PM
Dec 2020

And then, when we did what they should have done, they continued their cowardly, traitorous ways. They should be thanking us, "the exhausted majority," for saving democracy and for saving their sorry asses but they're too afraid of Trump and the loud minority.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
25. I think Pence would have lost even bigger too
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:09 PM
Dec 2020

Maybe Biden would have gotten 350 EV's. Also, I think Pence vs. Biden would have helped us down ballot. No way to know though, maybe I'm wrong.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
27. K&R
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:12 PM
Dec 2020

And everyone from the news media to every democrat should be using that same language, SHAME!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. Thank you. This is an excellent counter to the endless whining about "do-nothing Dems"...
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:22 PM
Dec 2020

Thank you. This is an excellent counter to the endless whining about "do-nothing Dems"... that pollute this discussion forum. I'm sick and tired of hearing our stalwart Democrats and Democratic leadership being called "corrupt" or "lazy" or "timid" or "scared" or "bought and paid for" or "the same as the GOP" or "coastal-elites" or "one-percenters". It's infuriating to hear these types of attacks, and even worse to see those divisive smears and attacks being defended and excused.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
30. You're welcome. I, too, am tired of people blaming Democrats
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:29 PM
Dec 2020

for what the Republicans have done. I wonder at times about the motivations for such statements. Well, I don't really wonder all that much, of course.

c-rational

(3,203 posts)
34. Well said and agreed. Unfortunately, the Senate and MSM, has a short memory. During the
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:46 PM
Dec 2020

impeachment hearings many reThuglican Senators said leave it up to the voters. Well the voters spoke and still they have kept their collective mouths shut. I can only believe most are compromised. Still scratching why a delegation visited Russia several years back on July 4.

Ohioboy

(3,892 posts)
35. Absolutely, the proverbial "last straw" should have been long before the election
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 03:47 PM
Dec 2020

I never thought America could be done in by a bad president. I thought there were enough safeguards in our system that it would never become a real problem. Trump has changed all that. It doesn't matter how many safeguards are in place if there are enough sycophants willing to give support to the madness. We're lucky the election was the final safety net, but it shouldn't have taken that long. And, are we even out of the woods yet? I hear the mad king is still trying to overturn the results.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
38. I have been saying this since the day the senate voted to acquit trump
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 04:06 PM
Dec 2020

of all the charges backed up by mountains of evidence for impeachment.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
40. Get ready for Republicans to obstruct and blame Democrats for problems
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 04:11 PM
Dec 2020

74 million will accept that. "Both sides do it" will live on.

If we don't push back hard and create consequences their truth decay will persist.

titanicdave

(430 posts)
41. .......Absolutely Correct.....
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 04:20 PM
Dec 2020

.......The.... coward.... gutless.... power-hungry.... bastard....Senate....Republicans.....are.....responsible....for....this....f**king....mess....the.....whole....country....finds....itself....in !!!!

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
43. Blame or credit?
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 04:35 PM
Dec 2020

I'm not so sure Trump did anything the staunchest republicans opposed. Sure, he said the quiet parts out loud, but that just endeared him all the more to them. You'll not hear the likes of Grover Norquist criticise.

Let's hope no one smarter studied his technique.

bullwinkle428

(20,662 posts)
49. Shame as well, on the 74 million voters that totally failed to make the connection, and
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 05:44 PM
Dec 2020

voted every last one of those enablers (that were up for re-election) back into office.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,957 posts)
51. I would ask if Susan Collins is losing any sleep over her pronouncements at the end of the trial
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 10:16 PM
Dec 2020

but I doubt she is, especially since voters handed her ANOTHER SIX YEARS

northoftheborder

(7,637 posts)
63. Mineral Man,
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
Dec 2020

You have echoed my exact thoughts all year. The Republicans could have removed him, and surely, even with Pence stepping in, we would not have endured the vilest, meanest, most corrupt and inept administration in history. I will never forget that. I also think they could have colluded together back before the nominating convention in 2016 and put up someone else to run, but suppose that is beyond possibilities considering the players.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
66. The Republicans have had a free pass...
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:45 PM
Dec 2020

for the past 4 years. There needs to be more pressure put on them!

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