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For fucks sake, ban this already.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)peacebuzzard
(5,870 posts)where are they now?
this sucks. wtf. heartbreaking.
mopinko
(73,726 posts)my eldest used to drive in downtown chi. they belong in the parks, not the streets.
but the owners of these things abuse the drivers more than the horses.
she never made squat. she got a cut and tips. no pay for getting ready, or putting the horse and carriage up at the end of the shift. spent a small fortune not just on her clothes, but had to biyy her own tack. she thought she would make money at xmas time, but they put every nag that could walk and every carriage that rolled out, so, no more rides than any other time.
the horses were happy. they love to work and were always eager to get to it.
and the drivers all did it for love of horses. they spoiled them.
the owners, tho. greedy, lazy fuckers.
demmiblue
(39,720 posts)"...the owners of these things abuse the drivers more than the horses."
There are not enough eyerolls for this garbage.
mopinko
(73,726 posts)SophieJean
(83 posts)and there is zero proof. Anecdotal, and has nothing at all to do with this particular case of animal abuse.
stopdiggin
(15,463 posts)was pretty fussy about the care and health of their animals. Of course, I have no knowledge of this particular animal, owner, or incident.
(just because 95% of breeders love their dogs doesn't mean there aren't puppy mills ...)
mopinko
(73,726 posts)they invested in the horses. drivers, just no.
they rotated the horses to their farm in indiana on the regular.
the company gave them what they needed and the drivers, mostly, spoiled them.
horses, like dogs, are happiest when they have work. but ppl put their emotions on the horses.
it was the worst part of the job- people calling them names and accusing them of cruelty.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)This has happened before with the horses collapsing in the streets.
Beaverhausen
(24,699 posts)This is cruelty plain and simple. Wish people would stop doing this
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)This shit is straight up animal abuse. Just walk you lazy fuckers
Codeine
(25,586 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Why on Earth is this shit deemed acceptable in the 21st fucking century?!
tHe HoRsEs LoVe It! Oh bullshit! Theyd love standing in a nice sunny field munching alfalfa quite a bit more that pulling a cart on a freezing city street surrounded by cars. You can tell they love it from the way they collapse on the street!
Absolute fucking horrorshow.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)But I know horses LOVE to work cattle just like the dogs do. I grew up on a ranch, and yes, some animals like having a job to do. I imagine its like kids playing sports to them.
jeffreyi
(2,571 posts)This hurts my heart.
demmiblue
(39,720 posts)Letting go is so very hard.
niyad
(132,446 posts)zentrum
(9,870 posts)But now he's a lame duck.
melman
(7,681 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Just wow.
Bayard
(29,707 posts)First, you don't take a horse out on ice for many reasons. That's just nuts, even if they're wearing studs. And I don't see how that whole group in the photo didn't crash through the ice.
Can't tell if the horse is seriously underweight, but if it is, and its cold, that's just stupid. And amoral. It looks like it just laid down, instead of slipping. I would blame the owner, more than the driver, although he should know better too. So we don't know if it was sick too skinny, or too old.
Giving the passengers the benefit of the doubt, they probably didn't know what they were looking at. I'm surprised they got the horse back on its feet. Authorities definitely should have been called.
Carriage rides aren't inherently bad, but there has to be strict regulations and inspections. That is something the Amish horses here don't get. We have a high Amish population in southern KY. I've seen the horses being driven up a steep hill on a 90 degree day with a loaded carriage, and in the dark with just a small light. There are collisions. You certainly don't see any fat ones. I've heard eye-witness accounts of how they are trained, and its not happy. The horses are looked at as tools, the same way they look at their livestock guardian dogs.
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)all I need to know about their respect for animals.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)They arent concerned with their comfort or welfare beyond that which is necessary to keep them alive. Amish puppy mills are a nightmare.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)And they don't take care of their other animals.
I lost all respect for them.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)I saw that once near Trenton. Lots of black smoke.
Bought a bred sow from an Amish guy once. Paid top dollar. She was deaf, squashed all her piglets. Amish and honest don't necessarily rhyme.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Good grief. Where has compassion gone? This shit needs to stop. No more bullshit. Horses dont deserve this and the rest of us should not have to be hurt by it.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)who simply cannot accept that animals do not exist merely for their pleasure and service.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I rescue animals. I deal with idiots in Texas all the time who chain their dogs outside in the cold with no food or water and no shelter. Their excuse is almost always I didnt know. Complete bullshit. They should be tied to a tree for even an hour in the cold or Texas heat. Then...maybe theyd get the idea.
I really think an excuse of not knowing is just an admission of not giving a damn about other living creatures, and you can many times extrapolate that to their concern (or lack there of!) for humans, too.
byronius
(7,973 posts)TheRickles
(3,386 posts)But they can be trained out of people by fear, abuse, neglect, cruelty, prejudice, etc. and etc. I'd like to think the Dead Inside can be re-trained, but I'm not so sure anymore.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)As stated up-post, I do animal rescue. I see the same idiots who refuse to spay/neuter dropping off puppies and kittens at the pound over and over and over. Many of those puppies and kittens dont make it out simply because there arent enough homes, and many are euthanized.
I think these types of people should have to be the ones to push the plunger on the euthanasia drugs just one time and see what they are causing. Maybe they would change their minds and teach them something.
Its just an excuse to lack empathy and compassion.
Dakota Flint
(219 posts)My dad farmed with horses for years. He pampered them and treated them like the treasures they were. He would have beaten the shit out of these cruel idiots.
Rhiannon12866
(255,572 posts)That was in January of 2003.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I HATE cruelty to animals
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)If you are a fat ass, take a walk. Dont expect an animal to haul your lazy ass. America is obese. Lay off the triple, quarter pound burger with Bacon, extra cheese, onion rings and blue cheese. For fucks sake, thyroid gland my ass. Half the world is starving, but AmurKKKa gotta have extra bacon on cheese cake.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)PatrickforO
(15,426 posts)We throw away cats and dogs - every 'kill' type shelter has a walk-in freezer where they keep the euthanized corpses pending cremation.
And in terms of industrial agriculture, all you have to do is tour a beef 'grower' or poultry farm to see the utter inhuman cruelty to which we subject these animals.
While vegans and PETA do have some very compelling points, I have no objection to eating meat, but eating a piece of meat from an animal who spent its life in agony is a horror. Perhaps we would be well served by imposing some much needed regulation on this industry, not only for our sake, but for the sake of the animals. Time to put life before profits for a change.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)TY!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)😪
StarryNite
(12,116 posts)harm and death.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Horses dying left and right for that shit, all so people can bet. Fucking sick.