Did Trump gaslight himself and is convinced he won ?

[drray23]

Did what started as grifting turned into delusion ? Some often attribute to Trump a devious and genius con mind (not smart, just primal instincts at the con game) . I am wondering if even that is untrue. He may just be tilting at windmills completely delusional. After all he surrounds himself with such people.

[arlyellowdog]

1. Yes, Trump is nuts

[TEB]

2. I read the headline

And eating pop corn I choked laughing

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I'm beginning to think so. He seems to have gone completely mad

and now believes his own bullshit.

[Marie Marie]

4. With narcissists, feelings are their reality.

He feels he is a great President, he feels he deserved re-election and feels he was unfairly treated, before, during and after the election. Always the victim. And, they shape their reality to fit what they want. So yes, I do believe that he is convinced he won.

[rsdsharp]

5. Mary Trump has said that Trump is the only person she knows

who can bullshit himself.

[Backseat Driver]

6. Gaslighted? Nah, he's perfectly LED (by Putin!)

[Irish_Dem]

7. Exactly, he can have more than one thing wrong with him. Here is the clinical picture:

Say a person has dual personality disorders, narcissism and antisocial (sociopath) with psychotic features.
At some point, given the circumstances, perhaps a great deal of stress, the person begins to decompensate
and the psychotic features become full blown delusions and psychosis.

So you can see how a complicated clinical
picture can become confusing to lay people.

This is one reason people are arguing about the diagnosis right now.
But it probably is not just one or the other. But both.

Also I would add the drug abuse/addiction dx as well. (Adderall)

[NoRoadUntravelled]

10. They may have to come up with a brand new, never seen before diagnosis for him. nt

[Mr.Bill]

11. Hmmmm...I wonder who they should name it after?

[Irish_Dem]

13. Oh no, it is all straightforward. And not uncommon.

There are just a lot of moving parts to the case, so is complicated to lay people.
But not uncommon at all.

Normally in terms of treatment, you first have to detox him from the recreational drugs he is using.
And get him on antipsychotic meds. Also mood disorder meds. Since people are reporting now
a mood disorder so that is yet another dx. I think he is quite anxious as well.
Then reduce his stress level.

This would take care of the mood disorder and the acute psychosis he seems to be displaying.
But delusional disorder does not respond as well to the antipsychotics.
And neither do the personality disorders.

But we could get him back to his happier state of just the narcissism and sociopathy.
And the disordered thinking and some of the delusions would recede.

We would have to see how it all works out.

It is further complicated because I suspect he is being given sedatives and also some stimulants to decrease his agitation
and to get him out of bed. Which is a temporary fix but worsening his condition in the long run.

If he had not killed so many people, and thrown others out on the street with no food, I might almost feel sorry for him.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

15. It would be nice if he could be successfully treated for the acute psychosis so that

charges could be leveled against him when he leaves office and justice can be done. But that would mean someone would have to declare him unfit for office. Seems like there are many close to him who are happy to benefit from his severe mental illness rather than intervene.

[Irish_Dem]

16. That would be likely, to get the psychosis under control and get him back to his baseline.

He could then be tried in a court of law.

The delusional part however is a bit trickier in terms of meds and sx reduction.

I don't know how much that could be used in court.

But I do think it likely he could be judged sane after treatment.

Of course his attorneys would fight tooth and nail so who knows.

Right, others have taken advantage of his ignorance, dementia, mental illness.
And his family coddles him.

[58Sunliner]

20. As sane as a sociopath could ever be.

His baseline was a rapist, child molester-emotionally, and narcissistic. Those are not "curable."

[Irish_Dem]

21. Exactly. Not curable. But not considered insane in a court of law.

But still they are crazy.

[58Sunliner]

23. Crazy. He is mentally ill, a sociopath, but sane. By the very nature of his illness

his self-interest and lack of remorse will preclude him from acknowledging right from wrong. But he knows how to game the system.

"Therefore, a person whose mental disorder is not in dispute is determined to be sane if the court decides that despite a "mental illness" the defendant was responsible for the acts committed and will be treated in court as a normal defendant. If the person has a mental illness and it is determined that the mental illness interfered with the person's ability to determine right from wrong (and other associated criteria a jurisdiction may have) and if the person is willing to plead guilty or is proven guilty in a court of law, some jurisdictions have an alternative option known as either a Guilty but Mentally Ill (GBMI) or a Guilty but Insane verdict. The GBMI verdict is available as an alternative to, rather than in lieu of, a "not guilty by reason of insanity" verdict.[22] Michigan (1975) was the first state to create a GBMI verdict, after two prisoners released after being found NGRI committed violent crimes within a year of release, one raping two women and the other killing his wife.[23]"

[Irish_Dem]

24. Some states are starting to let the personality disorders plead NGRI.

And yes Trump could game the system.

[pwb]

8. He thought he convinced people not to vote by mail,

he had the Postal fix in. Pukes would all vote during the pandemic and we were all convinced to stay home. He had it all figured wrong. Liars assume everyone is like them.

[Irish_Dem]

18. He was sane enough then to think of these tactics. But he is not clever or smart to prevail.

Unless other people thought it up for him.

[Progressive Jones]

19. You make a good point.

I've come to believe that the GOP tried to rig things, but they were beaten
at their game by a large turnout for Joe.
Not that the GOP could give a rat's ass about Trump. They just want the WH.
Why else was there no GOP primary? They gambled that running Trump again
was the best possible chance to hang onto the WH. They lost that bet.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

9. Many mental health professionals are on record saying that he is seriously and dangerously

mentally ill, including his own niece.
One can only hope that someone will take pity on both this severely mentally ill human being, the United States of America and the World and remove him from office immediately.
Is it only Pence that can invoke Article 25?

[StarfishSaver]

22. Only the VP and a majority of the cabinet can invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment

However, the Constitution permits Congress to set up a different method for invocation. After this disaster, I hope they will. It has to be done carefully to avoid the possibility of a small group tossing a president out of office without valid reason. But we need to come up with some alternative to relying on a sycophantic vice president and a corrupted, beholden cabinet to rescue the country from a madman.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Diaper-Don loves him self.

His whole life is a variable Con Job. Short Cons and Long Cons,always a scam as long as he makes a buck. Said this before,watch for Bankruptcy Court Filings to happen within in six weeks time. Some what familiar with Golf Course P&L's and with Covid not under control,there is no way in hell he can service his debt even with all the money he Grifted from we the Taxpayers.

Understand most his Debt Paper is in the form of Balloon Payment Finance. And he has been doing Leverage Take Outs to stay afloat. Now that anything Hospitality wise has lost tons of Value,you just know the BK Lawyers are on speed dial.

[mackdaddy]

14. I heard a discussion on true criminal's thinking and how it was different from most people.

The criminal mind thinking went something like this:

-Hey that person has a nice watch.
-I should have a nice watch.
-That person has MY watch.
-I am taking back MY WATCH!

This kind of thinking is truly not conceivable by "Normal" people.

I believe that this is how Trump thinks. He convinces himself that his own lies are his truth.
Trump is a criminal psychopath.

[Hav]

17. That is certainly a possibility

I also think we would have seen the same temper tantrum in 2016.

One person being delusional is one thing. I think a majority in the GOP is just playing along because they fear repercussions of their insane base. The more worrying question is: How can such a considerable part of the population also fall prey to the same delusions without questioning anything at all? It's comparable to a cult I guess.

[panader0]

25. I've heard that gaslighting yourself can kill the virus,

depending on where the light is inserted.