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Gothmog

(179,665 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 10:34 PM Dec 2020

Bar complaint filed against Trump attorneys in Arizona

Linn Wood, Sidney Powell and two attorneys in Powell's firm are named




PHOENIX — Two former presidents of the Arizona State Bar and five other attorneys have jointly filed an ethics complaint against 21 attorneys who went to court on behalf of President Donald Trump and the Arizona Republican Party after the 2020 election.

The 8-page letter to the Lawyer Regulation Division of the State Bar of Arizona alleges the attorneys knowingly brought 10 “utterly meritless cases” against elections officials.

“Confidence in the legal system is seriously eroded when attorneys treat lawsuits as a platform for broadcasting gossip and innuendo utterly devoid of factual proof, as a political stunt,” the letter states.

The bar complaint requests the State Bar of Arizona conduct an official investigation and “that appropriate action be taken.” If an ethics violation is sustained against an attorney, the consequences could include verbal reprimand, investigation fees, required ethics courses, suspension and disbarment.

Eleven of the attorneys named in the complaint are practicing in Arizona. The others are licensed in other states but worked on the Arizona cases, including the widely known Dallas attorney Sidney Powell.
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Bar complaint filed against Trump attorneys in Arizona (Original Post) Gothmog Dec 2020 OP
Great but does anything ever become of these complaints? vapor2 Dec 2020 #1
No. former9thward Dec 2020 #4
but this one is from 2 former Bar presidents - connected, respected people at the Bar TomDaisy Dec 2020 #13
Exactly. And remember, Bill Clinton was disbarred for lying about whether he had an affair. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #15
Bill Clinton took an oath and then lied before a grand jury. former9thward Dec 2020 #21
It was immaterial to the investigation of the Whitewater land deal. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #28
His appearance had nothing to do with Whitewater. former9thward Dec 2020 #32
Yes, but Starr still ran with it. Which is my point. It was total crap. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #33
Believe it or not Bar presidents do things for political reasons just like other people. former9thward Dec 2020 #24
For once I agree with you. The state bar's decision to disbar Bill Clinton was TOTALLY political. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #29
Yes, lawyers can face discipline for this kind of conduct. Eugene Dec 2020 #7
Bill Clinton did not get any latitude when he was disbarred over lying about an affair. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #17
He did not receive jail time. former9thward Dec 2020 #22
OMFG, you seriously think lying about having an affair warrants jail time???!!! SunSeeker Dec 2020 #27
You may not know what the perjury law is and its penalty. former9thward Dec 2020 #30
You definitely don't know perjury law. It has to be a "material" fact. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #34
Yes. Bill clinton was disbarred for a LOT less egregious conduct. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #20
Excellent start soothsayer Dec 2020 #2
Are any other state bars doing this? Ohiogal Dec 2020 #3
K&R... spanone Dec 2020 #5
I filed a complaint with the Indiana AG about Captain Zero Dec 2020 #8
Good Job spanone Dec 2020 #9
Good! I hope they suffer some consequences their childish behavior Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #6
And then there is TX AG who is being investigating by the FBI question everything Dec 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #11
I imagine sanction in any state must be reported in every state where TomDaisy Dec 2020 #12
They should all be disbarred. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #25
Excellent! BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #16
Every lawyer who worked on these bullshit law suits needs to be taken to task for their efforts. patphil Dec 2020 #18
I'd like to file a complaint that they are not behind bars. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #19
Rt.. TY for the Good News, Goth! Cha Dec 2020 #23
GOOD!!! This makes me feel better about the legal system. Even if Vivienne235729 Dec 2020 #26
Disbar them malaise Dec 2020 #31
Nessel to seek sanctions against some lawyers challenging Michigan's election results Gothmog Dec 2020 #35
Michigan will go after Sidney Powell's misconduct -- and have her disbarred: State AG Gothmog Dec 2020 #36

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
4. No.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 10:55 PM
Dec 2020

As a lawyer (who used to practice in AZ now in IL) I can tell you the only complaints the Bar Association ever looks at are complaints from clients or former clients of lawyers. Usually complaints that a lawyer didn't file a case they said they did or the lawyer stopped communicating with the client. Stuff like that. This complaint in the OP is something to get on the news for a day or two.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
15. Exactly. And remember, Bill Clinton was disbarred for lying about whether he had an affair.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:52 AM
Dec 2020

Seems to me that lying about the existence of widespread fraud in order to overturn our democracy is a tad more serious than anything Bill Clinton ever did.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
28. It was immaterial to the investigation of the Whitewater land deal.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:12 PM
Dec 2020

Having an affair is not a crime.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
32. His appearance had nothing to do with Whitewater.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 07:32 PM
Dec 2020

It was about a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by Paula Jones.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
33. Yes, but Starr still ran with it. Which is my point. It was total crap.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 07:36 PM
Dec 2020

Bill Clinton did not receive any fucking "latitude." It was an investigation about the Whitewater land deal. Starr could find no wrongdoing so he went after an immaterial lie about an irrelevant private matter. It should not have even counted as perjury since it was immaterial to the investigation. It wasn't even material to the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. Lewinsky always maintained her affair with Bill Clinton was consensual. No reasonable prosecutor would ever have brought that charge.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
24. Believe it or not Bar presidents do things for political reasons just like other people.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 09:50 AM
Dec 2020

Everyone recognizes that. But don't believe me. Just watch what happens -- or doesn't happen --- with the complaint.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
29. For once I agree with you. The state bar's decision to disbar Bill Clinton was TOTALLY political.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:52 PM
Dec 2020

Eugene

(67,099 posts)
7. Yes, lawyers can face discipline for this kind of conduct.
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 11:04 PM
Dec 2020

Not a lawyer, but two concerns I've noticed:

1. Lawyers get more latitude in politically charged cases.
2. Discipline tends to rely on precedent, and Giuliani's and Powell's conduct are completely off the charts.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
17. Bill Clinton did not get any latitude when he was disbarred over lying about an affair. nt
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:54 AM
Dec 2020

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
22. He did not receive jail time.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 09:47 AM
Dec 2020

Jail time is always a potential penalty for perjury. So yes, he did receive latitude -- as he should have.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
27. OMFG, you seriously think lying about having an affair warrants jail time???!!!
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 05:10 PM
Dec 2020

Give me a fucking break. He did not receive any fucking latitude. It was an investigation about the Whitewater land deal. Starr could find no wrongdoing so he went after an immaterial lie about an irrelevant private matter. It should not have even counted as perjury since it was immaterial to the investigation. It wasn't even material to the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. Lewinsky always maintained the affair was consensual. No reasonable prosecutor would ever have brought that charge.

You are dead wrong.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
34. You definitely don't know perjury law. It has to be a "material" fact.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 07:51 PM
Dec 2020

You're the one who needs to "look it up." Start with 18 U.S. Code § 1621, which defines perjury as "an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true" [emphasis mine].

As any Google search of perjury law will teach you:

Only a “material” statement can be perjury. The false statement must be capable of influencing the proceeding – that is, it must have a relationship to the subject of the proceeding. This includes a false statement that would tend to mislead or hamper an investigation. This means that a lie, even under oath, about a subject that is not material to the proceeding is not perjury. For example, falsely bragging that “I never update my Facebook page at work,” while testifying in a case having nothing to do with social networking at work, would not be a likely candidate for a perjury charge.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/perjury.htm

But no, you gotta bash Bill Clinton, claiming he could have been jailed. Unfuckingbelievable.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
20. Yes. Bill clinton was disbarred for a LOT less egregious conduct.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 01:32 AM
Dec 2020

Bill Clinton just lied about an affair. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/02/duncancampbell

These idiots used their law licenses to bring multiple frivolous "voter fraud" lawsuits, perpetrating their own fraud upon the courts of this country by claiming, falsely and without evidence, that there was widespread voter fraud in this country in the 2020 presidential election. And they did this not for purposes of hiding a private sexual affair, but in order to subvert our democracy and disenfranchise 20 million American voters, disproportionately people of color.

Captain Zero

(8,900 posts)
8. I filed a complaint with the Indiana AG about
Sun Dec 20, 2020, 11:11 PM
Dec 2020

HIM, the Indiana AG, filing Amicus Brief with Supremes about the Texas Suit. I complained mightily.

Their form letter back said after review by their lawyers at the AG office they had determined my complaint about the AG was not in their jurisdiction.

Haha. Well. At least I made them read it and reply.

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TomDaisy

(2,120 posts)
12. I imagine sanction in any state must be reported in every state where
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:30 AM
Dec 2020

a lawyer is licensed. It goes on their record. It will not just be ignored. It's probably equally as bad as being sanctioned in your own state.

SunSeeker

(58,266 posts)
14. They should all be disbarred.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:46 AM
Dec 2020

They used their law license to perpetrate a fraud upon the court in order to destroy America’s democracy.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #14)

patphil

(9,056 posts)
18. Every lawyer who worked on these bullshit law suits needs to be taken to task for their efforts.
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 12:58 AM
Dec 2020

It's the only way to deter this kind of stuff happening in future elections.
Disbarment and fines should be the order of the day.

Vivienne235729

(3,748 posts)
26. GOOD!!! This makes me feel better about the legal system. Even if
Mon Dec 21, 2020, 11:20 AM
Dec 2020

Nothing happens to these asshole trump lawyers, it will reflect it in their records forever. They need to be disbarred.

Gothmog

(179,665 posts)
35. Nessel to seek sanctions against some lawyers challenging Michigan's election results
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 04:39 PM
Dec 2020

This will be fun to watch. Sidney Powell will be sanctioned https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/22/nessel-seek-sanctions-against-lawyers-challenging-election-results/4009929001/

Attorney General Dana Nessel said she plans to seek sanctions against lawyers who filed lawsuits against the state's election results that contained "intentional misrepresentations" regarding Michigan's elections.

The Democratic attorney general also plans to pursue court costs and fees and, along with Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, to file complaints with the attorney grievance commission, Nessel told reporters Tuesday.

"Some of these cases where we know for a fact there were intentional misrepresentations made — the kind of misrepresentation that there is no question of fact that these were inaccurate statements that were presented to the court — yes, myself and also Secretary Benson, will be filing complaints to the attorney grievance commission," Nessel said.
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