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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:57 AM Dec 2020

Axios: Trump turns on everyone (Downfall bunker scene taking place in the West Wing?)

https://www.axios.com/trump-white-house-conspiracy-theories-d95450a4-c7a3-4579-a568-0473b18529c9.html


Trump walking outside White House
Photo: Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images

Jonathan Swan

President Trump, in his final days, is turning bitterly on virtually every person around him, griping about anyone who refuses to indulge conspiracy theories or hopeless bids to overturn the election, several top officials tell Axios.

21 mins ago - Politics & Policy

Jonathan Swan

President Trump, in his final days, is turning bitterly on virtually every person around him, griping about anyone who refuses to indulge conspiracy theories or hopeless bids to overturn the election, several top officials tell Axios.

The latest: Targets of his outrage include Vice President Pence, chief of staff Mark Meadows, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, Secretary of State Pompeo and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Why it matters: Trump thinks everyone around him is weak, stupid or disloyal — and increasingly seeks comfort only in people who egg him on to overturn the election results. We cannot stress enough how unnerved Trump officials are by the conversations unfolding inside the White House.

Top officials are trying to stay away from the West Wing right now.

-snip-

Trump is fed up with Cipollone, his counsel. Some supporters of Cipollone are worried that Trump is on the brink of removing him and replacing him with a fringe loyalist.

A source who spoke to Trump said the president was complaining about Pence and brought up a Lincoln Project ad that claims that Pence is "backing away" from Trump. This ad has clearly got inside Trump’s head, the source said.

-/snip-




On edit: I think this is the LP ad in question?

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Axios: Trump turns on everyone (Downfall bunker scene taking place in the West Wing?) (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 2020 OP
Fantastic! I'm happy that the Lincoln Project is playing him soothsayer Dec 2020 #1
Please post it when you do. TIA mobeau69 Dec 2020 #3
I added it to the OP Dennis Donovan Dec 2020 #5
Damn, that's good! mobeau69 Dec 2020 #9
Thanks! soothsayer Dec 2020 #47
Wow.. that's Awesome.. like a Wooden Stake Cha Dec 2020 #59
Playing both of them malaise Dec 2020 #16
Yeah, playing him like a tin pot.. ananda Dec 2020 #18
He's bad at everything else, of course he's a bad loser. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #2
He was even a bad winner in 2016. wnylib Dec 2020 #12
STOP IT robleb Dec 2020 #4
Congratulations TLP! Your plan is proceeding as expected (and hoped)... liberalla Dec 2020 #6
That was their goal. Throw him off balance Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #46
Someone needs to tape one of these episodes. C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #7
And for my amusement. I am much happier when I know that he is miserable. Marie Marie Dec 2020 #62
Killer Clown is SOOOO WEAK! He is a loser. Tommymac Dec 2020 #8
A new "A Christmas Story". SergeStorms Dec 2020 #21
This is why I have zero regrets for giving to the Lincoln Project. Mike 03 Dec 2020 #10
You've given me a bright idea Fritz Walter Dec 2020 #11
Me too. msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #37
Oh, that ad will leave a scar! Maeve Dec 2020 #13
It's time for #45 to fire COS Mark Meadows. NCjack Dec 2020 #14
POS Mark Meadows. Danascot Dec 2020 #20
It's like a movie scene of Adolf in his bunker wnylib Dec 2020 #15
But Hitler realized the jig was up RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #19
What was courageous about wnylib Dec 2020 #26
And then he issued the Nero Decree . . . hatrack Dec 2020 #36
Anyway, back to my earlier post, wnylib Dec 2020 #39
Hitler's was the courage of desperation. RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #48
Hitler made a solemn ceremony wnylib Dec 2020 #52
Hitler was afraid he'd end up alive in the Moscow Zoo Marcuse Dec 2020 #58
Mike Flynn is Trump's Steiner. yellowcanine Dec 2020 #35
Pence will be his Fegelein. klook Dec 2020 #67
Ahhhha. Did you see that mob-boss Kiss ...Pence braced against it Budi Dec 2020 #17
Trump's probably afraid Pence wouldn't pardon him if he resigns prior to 1/20/21. sop Dec 2020 #22
He will never relinquish the throne although he could force Pence's hand were he to do so RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #50
LOCK HIM UP. Our turn to say that, right? LOCK HIM UP!! nt TigressDem Dec 2020 #23
Don't forget, "You're fired!" wnylib Dec 2020 #40
How about, "Go home, Cheeto." Oh right, you can't. Maralago lawsuit in progress. nt TigressDem Dec 2020 #44
YEAH! Lock him up. Dec 2020 #63
I know, prison or a rubber room. I think he'd be great in prison. TigressDem Dec 2020 #64
pence or pelisi needs to pull him now . AllaN01Bear Dec 2020 #24
No one saw this coming?!? BigmanPigman Dec 2020 #25
Pense's duties on inauguration day... Onlyserious Dec 2020 #27
??? Explain please, since the outgoing VP wnylib Dec 2020 #42
Sarcasm or Troll? Please explain. nt TigressDem Dec 2020 #45
Perhaps I was misinformed. Onlyserious Dec 2020 #51
It is a good thing Trump hates dogs. gordianot Dec 2020 #28
tRump is not even that honorable ... jimlup Dec 2020 #41
In rare instances there is such a thing wnylib Dec 2020 #43
If that is an actual photo of the murdering, orange traitor, his gut looks enormous. niyad Dec 2020 #29
I thought the same thing... Mazeltov Cocktail Dec 2020 #61
If Trump has turned on Barr and Pence DFW Dec 2020 #30
That top picture... liberalmuse Dec 2020 #31
Trump is in Hell, a Hell of his own making vlyons Dec 2020 #32
The Lincoln Project ad is brutal (if you are Trump) McCamy Taylor Dec 2020 #33
Except Rump cares more about zentrum Dec 2020 #34
Been expecting this. lindysalsagal Dec 2020 #38
Careful, folks . . . the more isolated Trump gets, the more dangerous he becomes . . . OneBlueSky Dec 2020 #49
Bwahahaha! Blue Owl Dec 2020 #53
But...but...I thought Trump hired only the best people? Nitram Dec 2020 #54
Just leaked - bunker scene from November progree Dec 2020 #55
Der Untergang BlueWavePsych Dec 2020 #56
i hope he implodes n/t orleans Dec 2020 #57
Good to see that TLP is in it for the long haul. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #60
Why are they all so afraid of 25'ing 45? Pobeka Dec 2020 #65
Good question: Look everywhere at the constant chaos, the suffering, the anxiety, the hardship... Lock him up. Dec 2020 #66

robleb

(162 posts)
4. STOP IT
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:26 AM
Dec 2020

all the news commentators and media junkies and reporters need to stop referring to D Trump as "The President" - he is NOT! He is a pathetic, seditious, unstable fool. He is not the president nor a constitutional leader. He is a criminal in the White House.

liberalla

(9,243 posts)
6. Congratulations TLP! Your plan is proceeding as expected (and hoped)...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:27 AM
Dec 2020

You are now inside tRump's head.
.
.
.

and kudos to Jonathan Swan!

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
46. That was their goal. Throw him off balance
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 12:06 PM
Dec 2020

and keep him distracted. Seems they’ve got it down pat.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
8. Killer Clown is SOOOO WEAK! He is a loser.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:51 AM
Dec 2020

How can his followers not see this happening?

They are following a WEAK CRYBABY.

He is the fat bully who stole all the younger kids lunch money - then the REAL STRONG Kids walloped his bullying ass in front of the whole schoolyard.

Now he is sitting in the corner crying and pouting.

What a weakling.

Who the fuck wants to follow a crybaby wannabe?

Wake up, Joe and Jane Sixpack - you are not following the popular kids anymore and YOU are the fucking loser crybabies in the schoolyard. Dumbasses. Fuck You all!



SergeStorms

(19,200 posts)
21. A new "A Christmas Story".
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:45 AM
Dec 2020

Like when Ralphie beats the snot out of Farkus, cursing up a storm all the while. "Mother" will probably have to wash Mike's mouth out with Lifebuoy soap.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
11. You've given me a bright idea
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:04 AM
Dec 2020

When I get the check from the IRS (COVID relief, take two), I'm going to give some of that money to LP. Sure, they're living in #DiaperDon's head rent-free right now, but he's a symptom of the chronic infection that has spread through the right. The LP needs to keep up the assault against the current GOP.

Yeah, I know: there are some out there -- possibly including my next-door neighbors -- who will send a check to sham "campaign." Let 'em. Fools and their money...

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
37. Me too.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:43 AM
Dec 2020

Even though my contributions are low (cuz I'm low income) I've been donating monthly to the TLP and to ActBlue in our election races.. I give a little extra when I can. But when TLP came on my radar several months ago, I was blown away.

Their work, and their podcasts have really blown me away.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
15. It's like a movie scene of Adolf in his bunker
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:24 AM
Dec 2020

as the Allied armies reach Berlin.

The film version of Herman Wouk's War and Remembrance shows Hitler screaming at top aides and generals, denouncing the ones who say the war is over, and ordering the military and civilians to keep fighting, to protect Berlin for a comeback because they will win if only the people just keep fighting.

They all end up the same - paranoid, deserted, and screaming about disloyalty.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
19. But Hitler realized the jig was up
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:40 AM
Dec 2020

and courage of his insanity permitted the double suicide between him and the Braun girl.

But Trump isn't Hitler.

He is a coward and will never physically harm himself. His M.O. has always been to hurt other people.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
26. What was courageous about
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:53 AM
Dec 2020

backing out to escape facing his defeaters?

He did go through the rants and insane orders to keep fighting. He never acknowledged his own failures. He blamed everyone around him right to the end. And then played the role of martyr.

Trump is not likely to take that route. He will continue to spin himself as the perpetual victim of fraud.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
36. And then he issued the Nero Decree . . .
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:39 AM
Dec 2020

Because, you see, the German people had failed him, and deserved death for doing so.

The outcome of the war was their fault (certainly not his!), so everything - power stations, sewers, bridges, railroad yards, roads, phone networks - all were to be destroyed.

The Germans were unworthy of his vision and courage, and so were to be punished for generations.

I can see that in Shitstain's handling of the vaccine, and much more besides. It's our fault (certainly not his!) that things went to shit, so we deserve it for failing his glorious genius.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
39. Anyway, back to my earlier post,
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:57 AM
Dec 2020

the descriptions of Trump's current tirades and meltdowns in the WH match Adolf's tirades in Berlin.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
48. Hitler's was the courage of desperation.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 01:55 PM
Dec 2020

There was certainly nothing heroic about it, or about anything he did in his life. Still, it takes some courage to put a bullet in your head and face the dread of something after Death that Hamlet whines about. Of course in Hitler's case, suicide seemed preferable to the kind of horrible tortures to which he assumed the allies would subject him -- because, of course, he assumed the allies would treat him as he would have treated them had the shoe been on the other foot.

Trump on the other hand has no such resolve. He will die, however, when brought to trial after his de-throning. His health will waste away and by the time verdicts are delivered for his massive crimes against America and the American people, he'll look more a shriveled mummy than the bloated, incontinent Chosen One of God his people drool over and worship. The result will possiblyl die before being sentencing or, living, his health will be so poor that he will be confined to a nursing home, under guard and with his freedom of movement restricted by an ankle bracelet. (I'd take it further and deprive him of the internet and TV, but permit him to take a book or magazine out of the Home's library. He'll not be interested, of course, but it would be a nice touch to leave as his only source of entertainment the riches of a culture he can never appreciate, and books and magazines he will never have interest in reading. Of course, it would be a sure sign that there is a God, after all, if he were allowed an occasional Zoom conference with his sons and son-in-law, and his number 1 daughter who would be speaking with him from their individual prison cells.)

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
52. Hitler made a solemn ceremony
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:34 PM
Dec 2020

of his suicide. First, he married Eva Braun. Then he ranted instructions about Germany to those of his inner circle who remained. He gave precise directions on how to dispose of his and Eva's remains. Then they took poison.

I don't see an ounce of courage in his suicide. I see a man so afraid of admitting defeat that death was preferrable. Fear and arrogance motivated him. "You can't defeat me because I die as a winner, without ever surrendering to you."

sop

(10,167 posts)
22. Trump's probably afraid Pence wouldn't pardon him if he resigns prior to 1/20/21.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:47 AM
Dec 2020

Wouldn't it be sweet if Pence just left him twisting in the wind, waiting for a pardon that never comes.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
50. He will never relinquish the throne although he could force Pence's hand were he to do so
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:08 PM
Dec 2020

Trump could insist that Pence and "Mother" meet with him on television and promise, under God's own witness, to pardon Trump after Trump, by resigning, transfers the baton of the presidency to Pence.

Pence would claim to be doing it for the good of the country and because Jesus spoke to him. But having made a public pledge, it would be difficult for him to retire from political life (effective January 20, 2021) with any semblance of integrity were he to renege on that pledge. But, as I think of it, Pence could have it both ways by issuing the pardon but observing that 1: "Of course, this pardon does not free Mr. Trump of being held to criminal account by the state of New York for the many crimes he and his family stand accused of committing there. Nor does it apply to any Federal crimes he may commit after the issuance of this blanket pardon" and 2: "I issue this parson solely in the interests of the nation and not because I find any justification for the Federal crimes Mr. Trump stands accused of having committed."

Just a thought or two. My tuppence, if I may.

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
63. YEAH!
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:58 PM
Dec 2020
What R they waiting for to invoke the 25th and get him to the nearest prison?

What a bunch of cowaRds! It's mind-boggling1!!111

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
64. I know, prison or a rubber room. I think he'd be great in prison.
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 12:04 AM
Dec 2020

They would have such mad respect for all the cons he ran.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
25. No one saw this coming?!?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:49 AM
Dec 2020

A 74 year old leopard doesn't change his spots. This IS who and what he is...the true tRump.

Onlyserious

(103 posts)
27. Pense's duties on inauguration day...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:57 AM
Dec 2020

I am SO looking forward to having Pense say..."Under the leadership and guidance of President Trump...I call the Senate to order."

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
42. ??? Explain please, since the outgoing VP
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:10 AM
Dec 2020

has no duties on inauguration day and the Senate does not meet on inauguration day.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
28. It is a good thing Trump hates dogs.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:10 AM
Dec 2020

Like Hitler in the bunker he might try to give his dog a cyanide capsule to see if it works. Maybe he could convince Rudy instead. Something tell me Melania will not be joining him. Suicide is not out of the question in a Narcissist collapse.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
41. tRump is not even that honorable ...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:06 AM
Dec 2020

suicide would show some level or recognition of the situation. I believe that suicide is a more honorable solution in this situation than tRump is capable of.

Nevertheless, the possiblity of this is yet another reason why Joe Biden may be our 47th president and not our 46th.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
43. In rare instances there is such a thing
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:16 AM
Dec 2020

as honorable suicide, but this would not be one of them.

When someone trashes a nation that later rejects or defeats him, suicide is an arrogant ego move. "I remain undefeated. You cannot reach or conquer me now. I am a hero even in death."

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
31. That top picture...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:21 AM
Dec 2020

Even Trump’s shadow is trying to get away from him to save its reputation. I just saw the TLP ad.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
32. Trump is in Hell, a Hell of his own making
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:24 AM
Dec 2020

We Buddhists believe that when we die, the only thing that we take with us is our mind. An angry, hateful mind is likely to land someone in Hell in the next life, because that is what Hell is all about -- anger, hatred, cruelty, vengance, sadistic punishment, and great suffering for a very long time -- eons. Hell is not so much a physical place, as it is a mental state.

It would be so easy for Trump to pop out of his private Hell, by simply accepting reality and with good humor and decency walking away from his delusion that he is entitled to be POTUS forever. But noooo. He has spent a lifetime cultivating anger and hostility. It is an entrenched and unmindful mental habit. He has done noihing to train his mind to drop hatred and think about what might benefit others. He has done nothing to practice self-discipline to not speak angry words. And so, the karma of his anger and hatred ripens.

For me, Trump is a lesson in the importance of practicing loving kindness and self-discipline, rather than cultivating selfishness and anger. I almost feel sorry for him. Maybe when he is in prison, he will have the good fortune to hear advice from a wise and kind person. But I doubt that he is ready to hear and accept that he himself made his very own Hell.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
33. The Lincoln Project ad is brutal (if you are Trump)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:25 AM
Dec 2020

Also is a lifeline to Pence telling him to dump Trump and he might just have a career once this train wreck is over

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
34. Except Rump cares more about
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:29 AM
Dec 2020

…..money than anything else. He is raising Mega-millions on the grift of fighting the "rigged election".

Lincoln needs to do an ad about all that money the MAGA's are sending. With no oversight or accounting at all.

Don't forget—after he "shoots someone on fifth avenue" they'll pay his lawyer fees. That's what's happening now.

OneBlueSky

(18,536 posts)
49. Careful, folks . . . the more isolated Trump gets, the more dangerous he becomes . . .
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 01:55 PM
Dec 2020

let's understand that we're dealing with someone's who's lost it completely . . . as he continues to cull his herd of yes-men, he's finding himself more and more isolated and alone in his fantasy world, where the election was stolen because "there is no way I lost to Joe Biden!" . . . what's really scary is that he really believes it! . . . and anyone who doesn't believe it is a traitor, not to the country, but to Donald J. Trump . . . and to Donald J. Trump, that's all that matters . . .

so while it's good that even his strongest supporters are choosing to leave his fantasy world and re-enter reality, it's creating a lonely, desperate "man" who's capable of just about anything to get his way . . . this next month is going to be the most dangerous time in his presidency -- and that's saying something, given what the past 47 months have been . . . we can only hope (and trust ) that cooler heads will prevail and prevent him from doing something irreversible . . . and that our sane military leaders will prevent him from using the armed forces in service of his petty personal objectives . . .

if you're religious, say a few prayers . . . if you're spiritual, send out positive thoughts and good vibes . . . if you're a humanist, trust in your fellow men (and women) to do the right thing when it really counts . . .

and if you're a fatalist, just kiss your ass goodbye . . .

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
60. Good to see that TLP is in it for the long haul.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 09:45 PM
Dec 2020

I thought it wasn't impossible that they would just fade away after the election, but they're still putting out content.

Good! They have been not only useful, but entertaining.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
65. Why are they all so afraid of 25'ing 45?
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 12:14 AM
Dec 2020

They could be seen as heros as this virus rages -- bound to help the GOP in the GA Senate races.

Why are they so afraid?

Lock him up.

(6,928 posts)
66. Good question: Look everywhere at the constant chaos, the suffering, the anxiety, the hardship...
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 04:00 AM
Dec 2020
BUT he's making gReedy @Jack wealthier (like if he even ever NEEDS mo money...) so they're not sure if he'll ban him from attacking them without any regards to his Twitter Rules... or not.
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