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LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:02 PM Dec 2020

The only large voting machine company that Trump did not go after was ES&S

Election Systems & Software (ES&S) is an Omaha, Nebraska-based company that manufactures and sells voting machine equipment and services.[1] The company's offerings include vote tabulators, direct-recording electronic (DRE) machines, voter registration and election management systems, ballot-marking devices, electronic poll books, Ballot on Demand printing services, and absentee voting-by-mail services.

ES&S is a subsidiary of McCarthy Group, LLC. In 2014, ES&S was the largest manufacturer of voting machines in the United States, claiming customers in 4,500 localities in 42 states and two U.S. territories.[citation needed] As of 2014, the company had more than 450 employees, more than 200 of whom are located in Omaha.

In 2014, ES&S claimed that "in the past decade alone," it had installed more than 260,000 voting systems, more than 15,000 electronic poll books, provided services to more than 75,000 elections. The company has installed statewide voting systems in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, and West Virginia.


Seemed nice when I used it.


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The only large voting machine company that Trump did not go after was ES&S (Original Post) LiberalArkie Dec 2020 OP
Minnesota uses paper ballots only, not electronic voting machines. scarletwoman Dec 2020 #1
This uses a touch panel to print a paper ballot for you... from Wikipedia LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #3
We have one of those in each MN polling place for use by voters with a disability... Mister Ed Dec 2020 #7
It's an option, but you can also just fill out your ballot by hand. scarletwoman Dec 2020 #8
No it does not record it. You can read what the touch panel produces and verify yourself LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #9
We have those in nc. Touchscreen prints paper ballot. Human readable. You take that to the scanner. bullimiami Dec 2020 #14
Here is my paper ballot from an ES&S machine LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #6
Is that a ballot or a receipt? Mister Ed Dec 2020 #10
It is the ballot that was printed when I voted on the display. You can verify it yourself and then LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #11
Excellent. Paper ballots are much better than just paper receipts. n/t Mister Ed Dec 2020 #13
Receipts that show your vote Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #16
Thanks. I should have thought of that. n/t Mister Ed Dec 2020 #17
that is a herring. nt Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #20
Pretty sure I have more experience in election administration and election law than you do. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #21
That's a receipt, not a ballot. scarletwoman Dec 2020 #12
Minnesota uses Dominion, ES&S, and Hart Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #15
No Pennsylvania so Trump doesn't care. patricia92243 Dec 2020 #2
Aren't most of the states Red? LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #4
Kentucky also nuxvomica Dec 2020 #5
So that is the one they try to use then? n/t Lucinda Dec 2020 #18
elections expert Jennifer Cohn tells us that Trump World is shielding ES&S... Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #19
It seems to be well thought out new type hardware, but the tabulators in all the systems are the LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #22

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
1. Minnesota uses paper ballots only, not electronic voting machines.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:06 PM
Dec 2020

Where did you get your information?

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
7. We have one of those in each MN polling place for use by voters with a disability...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:13 PM
Dec 2020

...that prevents them from filling in a ballot by hand.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
8. It's an option, but you can also just fill out your ballot by hand.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:14 PM
Dec 2020

In any case, the touch panel does not record your vote - it's not the same thing as an electronic voting machine that records your vote internally.

I live in Minnesota, so I do know whereof I speak.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
9. No it does not record it. You can read what the touch panel produces and verify yourself
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020

and then you place it into the tabulator that totals the ballots. Te recount you run the paper cards back through or hand count the cards..

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
14. We have those in nc. Touchscreen prints paper ballot. Human readable. You take that to the scanner.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:32 PM
Dec 2020

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
10. Is that a ballot or a receipt?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020

I'm not sure myself. I guess the difference is, if you keep it, it's a receipt. If it's kept at the polling place, and fed into a counting machine or counted it by hand, then it's a ballot.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
11. It is the ballot that was printed when I voted on the display. You can verify it yourself and then
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:22 PM
Dec 2020

the tabulator reads it and counts it.. Its stays locked in the tabular in case of a recount.

Ms. Toad

(38,642 posts)
16. Receipts that show your vote
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:35 PM
Dec 2020

are generally illegal in the U.S. If you can prove who you voted for, your vote can be bought/sold.

Ms. Toad

(38,642 posts)
21. Pretty sure I have more experience in election administration and election law than you do. n/t
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:35 PM
Dec 2020

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
12. That's a receipt, not a ballot.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

If a Minnesotan chooses to use the touch panel machine, what gets printed out is an actual ballot, which the voter then drops into the ballot box - same as the other ballots that are filled out by hand.

Once the ballot box is emptied, the ballots are run through a scanner to be tabulated.

Ms. Toad

(38,642 posts)
15. Minnesota uses Dominion, ES&S, and Hart
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 05:33 PM
Dec 2020
https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-voting/how-elections-work/voting-equipment/

All paper ballots are still read and tabulated electronically. In Minnesota, some of the voting machines that read and tabulate your paper ballot come from ES&S.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
19. elections expert Jennifer Cohn tells us that Trump World is shielding ES&S...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:30 PM
Dec 2020

...because they are the real culprit.

I could tell you something I discovered about ES&S back two decades ago when I was digging info about it that is hair raising. Jennifer has that info now.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
22. It seems to be well thought out new type hardware, but the tabulators in all the systems are the
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:47 PM
Dec 2020

weak point. Generally for a recount they run the cards back though the same tabulators ( and get the same result). But it has the ability to not lie by counting all the cards themselves and thus putting all the errors on the person doing the programming.

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