TRIGGER WARNING Dr. documents her mistreatment before dying of Covid-19

[Nevilledog]

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Fifty Shades of Whey
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Dec 23, 2020
Dr. Susan Moore, a physician, says she was mistreated at IU North Hospital in Carmel, Indiana before dying from COVID. She was only 52 years old.



Fifty Shades of Whey
@davenewworld_2
"I had to beg to get the Remdesivir because Dr. Bannec said my chest x-ray was normal. I then had to beg for a CT of my chest which I finally got and it showed large mediastinal lymphadenopathy."

Full video (7m26s):
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3459156707536634&id=100003270157867&_rdr…

[dalton99a]

1. Kick

[JCMach1]

5. I just want to point out how hard it is to advocate for yourself when

You are this sick with Covid. You also don't have family who can help.

It's hard WITHOUT dealing with medical racism, misogyny, and Dr.s who never admit they are wrong...

Makes me thankful for the Doctors I had...

[tblue37]

2. I have my suspicions about why she received substandard care.

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On edit: When I posted this comment, I hadn't seen the video, because I am severely hearing impaired, so I wouldn't be able to hear what she said. I still haven't seen the video, for the same reason.

However, even without hearing her say she was being mistreated because of racism, which I've learned that she said because she is quoted in articles about her situation, I knew immediately that was almost certainly the case, because it is just so damned common!

[malaise]

3. Join the line

Medical racism - even for our doctors because how dare we come out of the cotton fields

[tblue37]

4. This! nt

[pansypoo53219]

33. no PHYSICAL EXAM, like he can't even touch her. this WHITE person is appalled.

[dalton99a]

6. About Dr. Susan Moore:

https://heavy.com/news/dr-susan-moore-indiana-covid-death-facebook-video/

[malaise]

9. Hope his family sue this monster

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I'm so sick of this

[smirkymonkey]

37. I hope he gets sued and loses his medical license.

This man should not be treating critically ill patients. His incompetence and callousness are inexcusable.

I am so sorry for this poor woman. She was in so much pain and had to go through the frustration of not being taken seriously by the medical personnel who were assigned to care for her and it cost her life.

[malaise]

39. Indeed

Can't believe this shit is still going on

[uponit7771]

40. +1

[tblue37]

8. Oh, and of course she was denied pain medication, because the other doctor probably assumed she was

a drug-seeking addict. And why no physical exam? Maybe he thought he'd get cooties.

[MarcA]

16. This is part of the War on Pain Medications.

Our wars on the cause du jour seem to always get out of hand. No one wants to be
guilty of helping or being a "drug addict" and "law enforcement" gets more power and $$$.

[tblue37]

19. I am a chronic pain patient who was cut off cold turkey 2 years ago because of this

war on pain meds. Now I can barely walk and spend much of the day lying down because of the pain.

[moonscape]

20. I am so sorry. I also have chronic

pain but fortunately have been stock-piling meds for a while. Although the majority of my pain is not from cancer, having that dx makes pharmacists not question me. My docs thankfully know me and prescribe without an issue.

So wrong what you have to deal with. I assume establishing a relationship with another doctor isn’t feasible because you must have tried everything at this point.

[mopinko]

10. beat me too it.

no mystery here.

[soldierant]

25. I noticed that too ... and I'm white -

and not only is she black, she's a woman, and all medical personnel know that women exaggerate (I am a woman BTW).

But I also suspect there is some "doctors are the worst patients" going on.

[Karadeniz]

7. Sickening to think that there has to be a strong reason for the doctor's treating her like she was

Just a hunk of salami... and I can only think of one reason.

[Ms. Toad]

21. I can think of two -

race and weight.

[Karadeniz]

27. Race occurred to me. I didn't think of weight. Both warrant extra vigilance, not being ignored.

[Ms. Toad]

29. The knee-jerk reaction when anyone who is fat has a medical complaint is -

lose some weight you'll be fine.

I don't know how it ranks against race - but missing critical diagnoses (cancer, for example) until it is too late to effectively treat the condition is a well-documented problem for people who fall outside of weight norms.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

50. Fat phobics

Should lose thier medical license along with racists and bigot christians.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. K&R for Dr. Moore, killed by a racist system.

[Hortensis]

32. Not necessarily. Very possible, but she was a woman --

generator of much more bigotry than skin color, ask any black woman of achievement. I knew 3 women who died with primary cause of death negligence due to their gender, and they were all white. For decades the only devices and medications for a number of critical conditions were tested only on men, dosages and will-they-work-on-women? guessed at and too-large devices crammed into women's bodies however they could be.

AND she was asking for narcotics early on. Since the laws have tightened up dramatically, that's an automatic trigger of suspicion in those circumstances. We've had a number of white people on this very forum weeping with despair over undertreated pain.

Tragic, but we owe it to her and all the others to insist they investigate adn find out exactly why this happened, not to just facilely chalk it down to race and be done.

[AwakeAtLast]

36. But it's also Carmel. And Indiana.

I lived near there for almost 25 years. It wasn't just because she was a woman.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

53. There is nothing facile about being a Black person trying to get care.

[Hortensis]

56. Yes, but there is about easy dishonesty and also about

using the facile excuse of fighting bigotry to facilely advance it.

Only truth is valid. Getting good care to middle class blacks doesn't save the lives of poor blacks who are denied it. The bigotry against POOR PEOPLE of all races is enormous.

Truth is the most critical element to justice, and only those who demand truth can achieve it.

And it's no comfort to all the people lying in their graves from callous indifference due to some other cause or most likely a combination of that some are roused to outrage only about possible racism against one race.

[Celerity]

55. You obviously are not a person of colour if you think misogyny is worse

than racism in terms of overarching ramifications on one's daily life. As a black woman, I profoundly disagree with you.

but she was a woman --
generator of much more bigotry than skin color

smdh

[Hortensis]

57. Celerity, you apparently need to educate yourself further on this subject.

Btw, black male bigotry against black women is often a serious problem for black women. Discrimination and oppression don't just come from indigenous, Asian, white, and "other."

Of all the racial and gender groups in our nation, disadvantaged, mainly lower income (but how about when those become OLDER?!) black women are routinely tossed the shortest ends of all the sticks, which they get to wade through the rain and mud to pick up and do their best with to care for themselves and their dependents.

[Celerity]

58. I do not need any education on the subject, I have lived it in my actual life

for us women of colour, racism is far worse than misogyny

it is not even close

[Hortensis]

59. But we're not talking about one person, but millions. Btw,

I threw you the huge issue of age. How about negligence leading to death due to AGE? HUGE factor.

I know grievance politics are big with some, and if you're among them, you have a few more giant ones to add to your list. If your only issue is white-on-black wrongs and you prefer to assume only that killed her, carry on.

But when it comes to caring for yourself in the real world, that could be like watching only for white cars when pulling out onto a speeding highway full of depraved indifference to life due to gender, age, physical and socioeconomic appearance, and inadequate insurance.

[Celerity]

60. please do not make false inferences about me

If you're only interested in white-on-black wrongs, carry on.

that is a completely false inference

I have never once on this board made any statement that I only care about 'white-on-black wrongs'

it is not an either/or situation, not in the slightest

And again, you trying to say that I (a women of colour) need 'education' on the subject of racism versus misogyny is particularly disturbing.

and

to diminish racism by saying

I know grievance politics are huge with some

is using extremely problematic framing

grievance politics

smdh

This entire colloquy is so disheartening, but hardly surprising.

[Hortensis]

62. Yes, it is starting to feel like one of those circular games where

every statement is claimed to "prove" an initial, unflattering premise. Unworthy for anyone to participate in. Let's go.

[marble falls]

63. Thank you for standing up for yourself so firmly. I would have probably gotten a little bit unglued.

[young_at_heart]

12. This made me cry

I am 81 years old and very nervous about Covid. Her story touched a nerve in me....I can't believe this country has fallen so low. I want to be happy at Christmas but I can't.

[Nevilledog]

14. ...

[FM123]

13. This makes my blood boil!

[Mr. Ected]

15. Yes, GOP, there are Death Panels

And you enable them.

[CaptainTruth]

31. +1000

[AmericanCanuck]

17. Infuriating

I'm glad she spoke out so the culprits can be exposed and future patients won't suffer like this.

[Solly Mack]

18. K&R

I'm so sorry, Dr. Moore.

Racism kills.

[Ilsa]

22. Sorry, Doc, we're saving the Remdesivir for

politicians and white people wearing nice jewelry and expensive suits. Oh, and a few celebrities.

[Hav]

35. Plus, the expensive medicine is saved not only for the wealthy,

but also for those who happen to behave utterly irresponsible, who ridicule mask-wearing and who are major spreaders themselves. It's infuriating.

[uponit7771]

42. +1, if the lawsuit shows this hospital administered Remdesivir to mostly white people I pray her...

... family gets an extra 10 million.

Racist assholes don't respond unless there's some money coming out of their asses

[KentuckyWoman]

23. This sort of thing happens regularly in probably every hospital.

30 years ago I had to fight like all heck for a friend to get proper care. She was pregnant, on welfare, single, black. She and the baby nearly died. She might have been better off if the child had died. He suffered severe brain damage from lack of oxygen. 10 years of suffering before he died.

I knew in the moment why they were putting her off. I am white, educated, middle class. I raised all hell and got them to pay attention. I wish I could have gotten it done before little Andrew was harmed ....

[Karadeniz]

28. You did all you could and that's all we can ask of ourselves. I know I'm proud of your efforts!

[Duppers]

34. ....

[malaise]

41. You know the worst part

Many of these racists pose as Xtians and scream about being pro-life.

[mountain grammy]

24. like writing the murderer's name on the mirror

Dr. Bannec needs to be suspended pending investigation.

[secondwind]

26. This breaks me to the core................... DAMN!!

EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE, DAMNIT!!!!

[C Moon]

30. Google this idiot "doctor," and find he's been getting similar complaints for years.

[uponit7771]

43. +1

[smirkymonkey]

38. Here is one reveiw I found on a Healthgrades.com website...

"I hesitate to refer to this man as a physician, and cannot, in good conscience, recommend him. He accused me of being an alcoholic when my liver enzymes were out of whack, and refused to believe that I do not drink alcohol, because of my medication. Told me my numbers looked like what he would see in an alcoholic on a Saturday night in the ER!

I responded that my receiving good medical care depends on my being honest with my doctor. He laughed, and called me a liar. I left immediately, found a new physician, and learned that my medication levels were toxic, and had damaged my liver and kidneys.

I had severely sprained my ankle, and he refused to even look at it, when I voiced my concern. It required surgery to heal properly. He is rude, arrogant, extremely condescending, and seems threatened by informed, intelligent patients. I would advise asking for a new doctor immediately if he walks into your hospital room, and would never refer anyone to his office!"

Asshole! I hope he gets fired and loses his license.

[crimycarny]

44. I was just getting ready to post that same review!

When I read it I could help but wonder if the patient who posted this review was black because The whole “refused to believe I did not drink alcohol...” sure goes along with the mindset Dr. Bannec displayed with Dr. Susan Moore.

I hope he goes under intense review. The publicity can’t be great for the hospital so maybe they will actually do something.

[kas125]

45. I live a couple hours away from Carmel and in my entire life

the only things I've heard about it are that it's a town for rich people and that it's a very racist place.

[crimycarny]

51. I lived on the West side of Indianapolis -- 25 min south of Carmel

I grew up in a small Indiana town about 25 minutes southwest of Carmel. What I remember about those living in Carmel is they insisted on pronouncing the town's name as "Car-mel" as in "Carmel, CA", but everyone outside of Carmel pronounced the town as "Kar-mull".

It was a funny game to play with those living in Carmel. "Oh, you live in Kar-mull?" "No, Car-mel." "That's what I said, Kar-mull."

That says about all you need to know of the type living there. White, privileged (yet oddly insecure) wanna be rich.

[Blue Owl]

46. K&R for visibility

[Vivienne235729]

47. This isn't just mistreatment. It is malpractice. The CT SHOULD have been done

She shouldn't have had to ask for it or remdesivir. That doctor is either incompetent or a racist POS. Our healthcare system needs to be fixed. It is a hot mess w inherent bias and racism. We need to be and do better.

[TigressDem]

48. Every family who lost someone to COVID should have a group lawsuit against tRump.

He's raising money off this election fraud nonsense and keeping it.

People who really have a reason to redress of an injustice should get that money.

[demigoddess]

49. K&R and I am so mad at how this lady was treated that I would not mind

if this idiot was taken out and shot. How low we have fallen!!

[AirmensMom]

52. John Oliver did a video

about how hard it is for women to get good healthcare. That was months ago but is still true and will remain true probably forever.

I think this woman had four things going against her, starting with being a woman. She was also black, overweight, and a doctor. It's a deadly combination when you need medical care. And it's criminal what they did to her.

[spooky3]

54. Horrifying. The racism is outrageous.

When a physician can’t even get the care needed...

Lawsuits are definitely necessary to hold people accountable.

May she RIP.

[shrike3]

61. I have no doubt this poor woman experienced racism while under care of this doctor. BUT, my husband

and I experienced terrible care under certain doctors, and we are white. In my husband's case, it almost killed him. Sometimes, all if takes is a sociopath.

The fact that she was a doctor must have made it even worse for her. She knew what kind of care she should have been getting, but was powerless to get it.

[McCamy Taylor]

64. Disgraceful.

I am also a physician who was also recently in the hospital for COVID. My Decadron and Remdesivir were delayed for two days, and I too had to demand and threaten in order to get the treatment I needed.

The current generation of doctors are too addicted to their "protocols". They do not look at the patient. When your oxygen saturation is "normal" but the patient is breathing 28 times a minute that is not "normal". When an asthmatic says "I need steroids and neb treatments", the asthmatic knows what she is talking about.

I have found that my non-physician husband is listened to by doctors in a way that I am not. I think it is because I am a woman and all women are "hysterical."