Will Trump "pocket veto" the omnibus spending bill?

[intrepidity]

Last edited Thu Dec 24, 2020, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)

All he has to do is nothing and the clock runs out on this Congress.

He vetoed the defense bill already, so Congress has time to override that.

Thoughts?

ETA: Maddow segment on this:

Link to tweet

[RockRaven]

1. Only applies if Congress is adjourned, which they are not. They are in recess. So the normal

"If you don't veto in two weeks, it becomes law anyways" applies.

He'll have to actively veto it to keep it from going into effect.

[VMA131Marine]

3. But, the current Congress expires in less than 10 days

Anything not passed by then has to start over with the new Congress.

[pat_k]

5. Yep.

I didn't think about his until Rachel talked about it last night.

[RockRaven]

7. The clock started ticking on the 21st, I think. And I said 2 weeks, but it really is 10 working days

And not bank working days, but days that Congress is in session, IIRC. And they're having pro forma sessions to keep things rolling.

[VMA131Marine]

8. 10 days, not including Sundays

[RockRaven]

12. So 11 calendar days b/c of 1 Sun included, which goes from Dec 21st to Jan 1st.

That's the answer then. Without an active veto, it should become law on the 1st.

[exboyfil]

14. What if he vetoes it on the 31st

The old Congress will have to get a quorum and 2/3rds it before Jan 3rd, or then he gets another 9 days. Given the 3rd is a Sunday, you are going to have a lot of pissed off Congress critters.

[intrepidity]

15. Does the clock start on the 21st, or the day it arrives on POTUS desk?

and, when did it arrive on his desk?

[onenote]

19. The clock didn't start on the 21st. I don't believe it has started yet.

The clock for a pocket veto doesn't start when both houses have passed the same bill. It starts when the bill is "enrolled" by the clerk, signed by the leadership in both houses, nd formally delivered to the White House. As of today, I don't believe that process has been completed. It certainly wasn't completed the 21st -- on the 22nd the House passed a resolution directing the clerk to make a change (to the bill's title) when the bill is enrolled.

If you find a link to th bill online, chances are you will see that the versions available don't even have the pages numbered sequentially, reflecting the fact that the bill was stitched together from several stndalone bills.

[lark]

2. His revenge tour knows no limits, so expect the very worst possible.

He's out to kill poor working class people soley for revenge because they didn't vote for him. He's torturing them for his own personal enjoyment.

[joshcryer]

4. It passed on the 21st, without signing, it goes into effect on the 31st.

If he vetoes it they have the votes to override it and will do so before the end of this congress (Jan 3rd).

[VMA131Marine]

6. It's ten days, not including Sundays ....

[NutmegYankee]

9. 10 days don't include Sundays.

But I think it includes holidays, so it just squeaks in this Congress.

[joshcryer]

11. Oh man this is crazy...

Link to tweet

Fuck. Trump may have one last act (or non-act) to royally screw America.

[joshcryer]

13. OK, I looked it up, it's ten "legislative days."

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPREC-DESCHLERS-V7/pdf/GPO-HPREC-DESCHLERS-V7-3-4-2.pdf

As long as they keep having pro forma sessions on Sunday's it will count. We're good.

[intrepidity]

17. You think they will this coming Sunday? nt

[onenote]

21. Sundays never count. Counting starts the day after the bill is presented.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPRACTICE-108/html/GPO-HPRACTICE-108-58.htm

[intrepidity]

25. Thanks for that link. Can you tell me where, specifically, it says that though?

Seems to me SCOTUS upheld the literal interpretation of "except Sundays" but I didn't read through it all carefully.

[brush]

10. I don't think he even knows the impact of signing it or not signing it.

If he doesn't I imagine it will influence what happens in the Georgia run-offs, positively for us Democrats but it will extend the hurt people are feeling.

[TeamPooka]

16. all of these actions will be used against him if he runs again.

[intrepidity]

18. Nothing is ever (effectively) used against him nt

[uponit7771]

20. +1, especially down ballot at district levels

[TeamPooka]

22. I don't know if you noticed but Trump just lost an election. That means everything used

against him worked.

[intrepidity]

23. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point

That some 60-70 million votes went his way argues my point, imho.

[TeamPooka]

24. Trump lost. People are stupid. But he stilll lost. He's a loser. Stop pretending he isn't.