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milestogo

(23,079 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:29 PM Dec 2020

Who wants to wait and see before projecting blame for the Nashville bombing?

I'll never forget how "experts" reacted after the Oklahoma city Federal building bombing - by blaming middle eastern terrorists before any actual facts came in. They were totally off base.

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Who wants to wait and see before projecting blame for the Nashville bombing? (Original Post) milestogo Dec 2020 OP
Bad actor, but whose? Lars39 Dec 2020 #1
Same with the Atlanta Olympics bombing. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2
I wonder if Rudolph will be the next pardon? LeftInTX Dec 2020 #31
I am down to wait and see. joshcryer Dec 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Dec 2020 #4
Oh yes. DU is great at conclusion jumping. cwydro Dec 2020 #5
This, lol. n/t ms liberty Dec 2020 #27
Yes. We don't have the story yet, but we will. MineralMan Dec 2020 #6
Yes. treestar Dec 2020 #7
It has been declared not an accident Cirque du So-What Dec 2020 #14
Not a big fan of wild speculation... Blue Owl Dec 2020 #8
Determination sans facts is always a mistake. 2naSalit Dec 2020 #9
Speculation does not equate to public accusation and derision. hlthe2b Dec 2020 #10
I want the reasoning cause .... Nashville? LizBeth Dec 2020 #11
Chaos, destruction, and fear to a blue city Lars39 Dec 2020 #13
In a very red state. I am reading ATT, that at least makes sense. Might as well hit Georgia, LizBeth Dec 2020 #15
Technological advances overrule any similarities to past crimes bronxiteforever Dec 2020 #12
Yes. exboyfil Dec 2020 #16
I'm blaming a terrorist triumvirate of Manafort, Stone, and Liddy... JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #17
Trump, Giuliani, and Jarvanka milestogo Dec 2020 #18
Making a bomb? JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #30
The fact that the RV broadcast a warning is significant localroger Dec 2020 #19
Is this the right wing trying to start their civil war? I fear there may be other attacks to doc03 Dec 2020 #21
I would put that possibility at the top of the probabilities. nt. localroger Dec 2020 #24
Whoever I hate is responsible! Sympthsical Dec 2020 #20
Rampant speculation... stillcool Dec 2020 #22
We don't know yet Sympthsical Dec 2020 #23
Yes, it could be a disgruntled employee... milestogo Dec 2020 #25
What is the purpose of blowing something up? stillcool Dec 2020 #29
You're making some leaps there Sympthsical Dec 2020 #34
true enough treestar Dec 2020 #35
Wonder if they'll use voice recognition bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #26
Best to follow the evidence. BlueJac Dec 2020 #28
I've speculated elsewhere but I qualify it by saying there's no real proof yet MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #32
This smells like a right wing plot Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #33

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,526 posts)
2. Same with the Atlanta Olympics bombing.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:33 PM
Dec 2020

The media jumped all over the security guard who discovered the bomb and cleared the area, and he was a suspect for months before the FBI finally figured out that it was abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph. The security guard's life was just about ruined.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
3. I am down to wait and see.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:33 PM
Dec 2020

But I don't see anything wrong with people speculating.

This is an odd one. People are comparing it to IRA bombings.

Response to milestogo (Original post)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Yes.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:39 PM
Dec 2020

We are too sure it is right wing terrorists. Might be an accident, though that possibility is fading. The freepers do the same, probably saying it was antifa already.

hlthe2b

(113,954 posts)
10. Speculation does not equate to public accusation and derision.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:41 PM
Dec 2020

Asking who or why some individual or group might have motivation is just that, speculation. Rather different from tweeting photos or social media pages for those that some conspiracy theory "sleuth" has decided to publicly blame.

All we know right now is that police believe it to be an intentional act. Beyond that time will tell. However, the location might well give us some clues.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
15. In a very red state. I am reading ATT, that at least makes sense. Might as well hit Georgia,
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:57 PM
Dec 2020

they were that close.

bronxiteforever

(11,212 posts)
12. Technological advances overrule any similarities to past crimes
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:52 PM
Dec 2020

from the 1990s. Today, LE has all the advantages of big tech to solve crimes. Think about it: DNA, Cellular telephone records, cctv, internet cameras, traffic cameras, computerized fingerprint databases, photographic enhancements, cellular phone tracking, social media,texts, tweets, online shopping records, computerized shopping records, facial recognition software.

The 1990s were the Stone Age compared to modern police investigations as far as forensic science goes. I am confident that the digital trail will solve this case quickly.

exboyfil

(18,359 posts)
16. Yes.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:03 PM
Dec 2020

And you have to be careful about tainting a group by the actions of a particular individual. I am thinking of the Sanders supporter who shot up the Congressional baseball game and wounded Rep. Scalise and three others.

The difference being if the individual is a Trump supporter or someone else who has advocated violence, then the link is much clearer. Obviously Sanders never advocated anything like what happened.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
17. I'm blaming a terrorist triumvirate of Manafort, Stone, and Liddy...
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:06 PM
Dec 2020

...abetted by known anti-government activists Norquist, Beck, and Bill Fucking O'Reilly.

Someone will have to prove it wasn't.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
19. The fact that the RV broadcast a warning is significant
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:17 PM
Dec 2020

ISIS doesn't do that. They want to maximize casualties. It also isn't a false flag, for the same reason. Whoever did this wants the general public to think that we are not their real enemy, and they know this. This is a domestic organization which wants the general public to join their cause, like the IRA during the Troubles. The way it was done, with the warning and on a deserted street in the dead of a holiday morning suggests an organization with forward looking goals.

I would be very surprised if there isn't an announcement taking credit soon. Since direct terror obviously wasn't the aim, there has to be some other point to be made. If nobody takes credit it becomes very strange since it leaves no real point to the exercise of building and deploying the device.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
21. Is this the right wing trying to start their civil war? I fear there may be other attacks to
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:38 PM
Dec 2020

come in Blue cities.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
20. Whoever I hate is responsible!
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:27 PM
Dec 2020

So, surly Starbucks barista, I'm looking at you.

But seriously. Any time anything at all happens, the wild speculation begins. It's always some white, disgruntled, right-wing incel. Until it's not. And if it's not, you'll never hear another word about it again from our side. If it is, it's proof that all bad things are their fault (because the event where it wasn't them clearly never happened).

It's downtown. There are cameras. There will be evidence with the vehicle used. Law enforcement will pin it down. Then we'll probably get a motive.

I hope people have better things to do on Christmas than to rampantly speculate and make claims with zero evidence. I remember when Reddit "found" the Boston bomber. Turned out it was a depressed student who committed suicide by jumping off a bridge. His family was thrilled, as you can imagine. To this day, if you ever see, "Good job, Reddit! We did it!" they're sarcastically referencing that very cringe worthy moment.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
22. Rampant speculation...
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:57 PM
Dec 2020

it's who they are, it's what they do. Who are they? They're effing terrorists.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
23. We don't know yet
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 04:35 PM
Dec 2020

Especially since it seems, from the evidence we have so far, that whoever did it wasn't seeking loss of life.

Which you don't typically see in your run-of-the-mill terrorist type.

For all we know, it could be a disgruntled AT&T employee. We'll just have to wait and see what law enforcement finds.

milestogo

(23,079 posts)
25. Yes, it could be a disgruntled employee...
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 04:55 PM
Dec 2020

Aiming to damage property without killing people.

stillcool

(34,407 posts)
29. What is the purpose of blowing something up?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:00 PM
Dec 2020

a disgruntled AT&T employee is no different than John Doe. It's the action that makes the crime. Oh wait, did we go back to only Muslims are terrorists?

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
34. You're making some leaps there
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:56 PM
Dec 2020

Terrorism is violence against civilians to achieve a political purpose through threats and fear. It's a fairly broad and simultaneously specific definition.

"My job fired me and I want to get back at them," is not terrorism. "I want to blow up downtown to make liberals afraid," is. Setting a bomb off somewhere isn't always terrorism. It is, however, often the mark of the terrorist.

That said, we don't know yet. I imagine we will. Then we'll know if it was terrorism.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
35. true enough
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 04:02 PM
Dec 2020

even when one side is found out to be the perpetrator, that side then finds it to be a false flag operation by the other side.

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
26. Wonder if they'll use voice recognition
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 05:06 PM
Dec 2020

They do have a voice, a cadence, an accent, and a tone. Listen closely to the announcement. There are clues there.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,394 posts)
32. I've speculated elsewhere but I qualify it by saying there's no real proof yet
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:03 PM
Dec 2020

If my suspicions turn out to be wrong I'll gladly say so.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
33. This smells like a right wing plot
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 07:06 PM
Dec 2020

But I think it’s worth being cautious before making any call.

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