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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho wants to wait and see before projecting blame for the Nashville bombing?
I'll never forget how "experts" reacted after the Oklahoma city Federal building bombing - by blaming middle eastern terrorists before any actual facts came in. They were totally off base.
Lars39
(26,540 posts)Officials arent even speculating at this point.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,526 posts)The media jumped all over the security guard who discovered the bomb and cleared the area, and he was a suspect for months before the FBI finally figured out that it was abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph. The security guard's life was just about ruined.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)But I don't see anything wrong with people speculating.
This is an odd one. People are comparing it to IRA bombings.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)Practically an Olympic sport here.
ms liberty
(11,237 posts)MineralMan
(151,264 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)We are too sure it is right wing terrorists. Might be an accident, though that possibility is fading. The freepers do the same, probably saying it was antifa already.
Cirque du So-What
(29,727 posts)so we can dispense with that specious fairy tale.
Blue Owl
(59,095 posts)2naSalit
(102,780 posts)I can wait.
hlthe2b
(113,954 posts)Asking who or why some individual or group might have motivation is just that, speculation. Rather different from tweeting photos or social media pages for those that some conspiracy theory "sleuth" has decided to publicly blame.
All we know right now is that police believe it to be an intentional act. Beyond that time will tell. However, the location might well give us some clues.
LizBeth
(11,222 posts)Lars39
(26,540 posts)LizBeth
(11,222 posts)they were that close.
bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)from the 1990s. Today, LE has all the advantages of big tech to solve crimes. Think about it: DNA, Cellular telephone records, cctv, internet cameras, traffic cameras, computerized fingerprint databases, photographic enhancements, cellular phone tracking, social media,texts, tweets, online shopping records, computerized shopping records, facial recognition software.
The 1990s were the Stone Age compared to modern police investigations as far as forensic science goes. I am confident that the digital trail will solve this case quickly.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)And you have to be careful about tainting a group by the actions of a particular individual. I am thinking of the Sanders supporter who shot up the Congressional baseball game and wounded Rep. Scalise and three others.
The difference being if the individual is a Trump supporter or someone else who has advocated violence, then the link is much clearer. Obviously Sanders never advocated anything like what happened.
JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)...abetted by known anti-government activists Norquist, Beck, and Bill Fucking O'Reilly.
Someone will have to prove it wasn't.
milestogo
(23,079 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,870 posts)Combined, those three idiots would have a hard time blowing their nose.
localroger
(3,782 posts)ISIS doesn't do that. They want to maximize casualties. It also isn't a false flag, for the same reason. Whoever did this wants the general public to think that we are not their real enemy, and they know this. This is a domestic organization which wants the general public to join their cause, like the IRA during the Troubles. The way it was done, with the warning and on a deserted street in the dead of a holiday morning suggests an organization with forward looking goals.
I would be very surprised if there isn't an announcement taking credit soon. Since direct terror obviously wasn't the aim, there has to be some other point to be made. If nobody takes credit it becomes very strange since it leaves no real point to the exercise of building and deploying the device.
doc03
(39,086 posts)come in Blue cities.
localroger
(3,782 posts)Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)So, surly Starbucks barista, I'm looking at you.
But seriously. Any time anything at all happens, the wild speculation begins. It's always some white, disgruntled, right-wing incel. Until it's not. And if it's not, you'll never hear another word about it again from our side. If it is, it's proof that all bad things are their fault (because the event where it wasn't them clearly never happened).
It's downtown. There are cameras. There will be evidence with the vehicle used. Law enforcement will pin it down. Then we'll probably get a motive.
I hope people have better things to do on Christmas than to rampantly speculate and make claims with zero evidence. I remember when Reddit "found" the Boston bomber. Turned out it was a depressed student who committed suicide by jumping off a bridge. His family was thrilled, as you can imagine. To this day, if you ever see, "Good job, Reddit! We did it!" they're sarcastically referencing that very cringe worthy moment.
stillcool
(34,407 posts)it's who they are, it's what they do. Who are they? They're effing terrorists.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)Especially since it seems, from the evidence we have so far, that whoever did it wasn't seeking loss of life.
Which you don't typically see in your run-of-the-mill terrorist type.
For all we know, it could be a disgruntled AT&T employee. We'll just have to wait and see what law enforcement finds.
milestogo
(23,079 posts)Aiming to damage property without killing people.
stillcool
(34,407 posts)a disgruntled AT&T employee is no different than John Doe. It's the action that makes the crime. Oh wait, did we go back to only Muslims are terrorists?
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)Terrorism is violence against civilians to achieve a political purpose through threats and fear. It's a fairly broad and simultaneously specific definition.
"My job fired me and I want to get back at them," is not terrorism. "I want to blow up downtown to make liberals afraid," is. Setting a bomb off somewhere isn't always terrorism. It is, however, often the mark of the terrorist.
That said, we don't know yet. I imagine we will. Then we'll know if it was terrorism.
treestar
(82,383 posts)even when one side is found out to be the perpetrator, that side then finds it to be a false flag operation by the other side.
bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)They do have a voice, a cadence, an accent, and a tone. Listen closely to the announcement. There are clues there.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)If we can trust them. We will see soon enough.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,394 posts)If my suspicions turn out to be wrong I'll gladly say so.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)But I think its worth being cautious before making any call.